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Zombywuf
Mar 29, 2008

Pissflaps posted:

I love Middlesbrough.

This is what years of inhaling petrochemicals does to a person.

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Praseodymi
Aug 26, 2010

Zombywuf posted:

This is what years of inhaling petrochemicals does to a person.

Hey, that's... Yeah.

Sunderland fans came to a game with gas masks on. :smith:

Xachariah
Jul 26, 2004



No Gregg's in Northern Ireland. I'm kinda sad cause I like unhealthy food.

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

There's no Greggs in Cornwall?

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Gregs is delicious and so is Subway. That said, I think all food is delicious, except brussel sprouts and olives.

I do find it hilarious though that rather than keep their food hot, Greggs have trained all their staff to say "it's not that warm, is that okay?" in every one I've been in, word for word. Lazy fuckers.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


Bloody cornish pasty cartels.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Brown Moses posted:

There's no Greggs in Cornwall?

They tried to open one, a local tasted the loving meat paste in an envelope Greggs dares to call a pasty, and there was a wicker man built before you could say "bloody handsome that".

Zombywuf
Mar 29, 2008

Praseodymi posted:

Hey, that's... Yeah.

Sunderland fans came to a game with gas masks on. :smith:

I grew up in a little village to the south of Middlesbrough, the sunsets were quite spectacular.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Zombywuf posted:

This is what years of inhaling petrochemicals does to a person.

Our air quality is better than London's.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Greggs do make some decent sweet stuff, I was a fiend for their yum-yums when I was doing my Master's because they were cheap enough for a Master's student budget but still delicious. Their hot food is pretty bad though.

Kin
Nov 4, 2003

Sometimes, in a city this dirty, you need a real hero.

Mister Adequate posted:

Greggs do make some decent sweet stuff, I was a fiend for their yum-yums when I was doing my Master's because they were cheap enough for a Master's student budget but still delicious. Their hot food is pretty bad though.

Greggs cakes are also poo poo. Their yum yums and donuts are almost always harder and staler compared to poo poo you can get out of the supermarket or a proper bakery.

The shittest thing about them is that they put almost all the other local bakeries out of business by undercutting them and as a result are the only people in town to get any kind of warm to hot pastries other than the supermarkets.

Fingerless Gloves
May 21, 2011

... aaand also go away and don't come back
Isn't the magma pasty/tepid block of filling the fault of the pasty tax a few years ago, meaning Greggs can't reheat their poo poo without adding another 20p on to a steak bake? loving tories ruining everything. Not that it matters, the best thing from Greggs are the bandito sandwiches and the chocolate cookies.

Also note that like 3-4 years ago sausage rolls used to be 50p, now they're like 80 last I checked. And McDonalds double cheeseburgers are now £1 loving 50. Happy Meals are £2.40 as well.

SybilVimes
Oct 29, 2011

Pissflaps posted:

Our air quality is better than London's.

Also, what petrochems? I don't think there's been any oil industry on the tees since the 80s. Mostly it's just Haber process stuff on both old ICI sites (not that Ammonia & nitrates won't gently caress your day up).

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Fingerless Gloves posted:

Isn't the magma pasty/tepid block of filling the fault of the pasty tax a few years ago, meaning Greggs can't reheat their poo poo without adding another 20p on to a steak bake? loving tories ruining everything. Not that it matters, the best thing from Greggs are the bandito sandwiches and the chocolate cookies.

Also note that like 3-4 years ago sausage rolls used to be 50p, now they're like 80 last I checked. And McDonalds double cheeseburgers are now £1 loving 50. Happy Meals are £2.40 as well.

Percy Ingles (East End and Essex chain that took over a lot of the old Lyons business in London when they went under in the 70s) manage to keep stuff acceptably warm and somehow manage to make things edible in the first place. It's notable that Greggs have never been able to gain any kind of traction in areas where Ingles (or other decent local bakeries) exist, they almost exclusively inhabit "redeveloped" high streets where local businesses have already been crushed.

Greggs tea is also loving awful. How can you gently caress up tea, for fucks sake?

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass

JoylessJester posted:

"Bristol is ok if you avoid St.Paul's Bedminster, Brislington, Easton, Fishpounds, Filton, Frenchay, Hartcliffe, Knowle, Lawrence Hill, Southmead and St.George"- My last Boss.


Bristol is actually great as long as you don't expect to get anywhere quickly.

Knife murders happen all over, there's nothing wrong with fishponds :colbert:

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Greggs tea is also loving awful. How can you gently caress up tea, for fucks sake?

Microwave it? :v:

Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Aug 6, 2014

Carrier
May 12, 2009


420...69...9001...
I like Greggs.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Carrier posted:

I like Greggs.

History's Greatest Monster.

Pork Pie Hat
Apr 27, 2011
Before I stoped eating meat I used to love a Greggs Christmas sandwich.

None of that sentence was a euphemism.

kim jong-illin
May 2, 2011

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Percy Ingles (East End and Essex chain that took over a lot of the old Lyons business in London when they went under in the 70s) manage to keep stuff acceptably warm and somehow manage to make things edible in the first place. It's notable that Greggs have never been able to gain any kind of traction in areas where Ingles (or other decent local bakeries) exist, they almost exclusively inhabit "redeveloped" high streets where local businesses have already been crushed.

Greggs tea is also loving awful. How can you gently caress up tea, for fucks sake?

Percy Ingles is great for a sausage roll and one of the good things about working at the Royal London again is that I can pop round the corner to Watney Market and grab one for my lunch.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

kim jong-illin posted:

Percy Ingles is great for a sausage roll and one of the good things about working at the Royal London again is that I can pop round the corner to Watney Market and grab one for my lunch.

You know there's also an Ingles like directly opposite the front door (of the old building) on Whitechapel Road? Having said that Watney Market has a Wimpy and an independent hardware store, it's like a lovely little timewarp.

(Also I've made a mental note not to get ill/seriously hurt in the next six months - can you think of anything more terrifying than a doctor asking if you have stairs in your house?)

Kin
Nov 4, 2003

Sometimes, in a city this dirty, you need a real hero.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Greggs tea is also loving awful. How can you gently caress up tea, for fucks sake?

Greggs also charge you extra to put a bit of butter on a bacon roll, but give you free sauce if you want it. :psyduck: How loving tight is that?

Who the gently caress eats dry bacon rolls?

Alecto
Feb 11, 2014

Fingerless Gloves posted:

Isn't the magma pasty/tepid block of filling the fault of the pasty tax a few years ago, meaning Greggs can't reheat their poo poo without adding another 20p on to a steak bake? loving tories ruining everything. Not that it matters, the best thing from Greggs are the bandito sandwiches and the chocolate cookies.

Also note that like 3-4 years ago sausage rolls used to be 50p, now they're like 80 last I checked. And McDonalds double cheeseburgers are now £1 loving 50. Happy Meals are £2.40 as well.

Wasn't the pasty tax scrapped, or have I misremembered?

e: yes, it seems it was abolished back in May 2012 or there abouts.

Fingerless Gloves
May 21, 2011

... aaand also go away and don't come back
Oh, I just assumed that's why they stopped heating their pasties. The amount of research I did was 'Look on wikipedia' and they didn't say anything about it being abolished. I guess Greggs are just cheaping out, who could have guessed.

Is Sayers still a thing? Around Liverpool all their shops are becoming Pound Bakeries.

Manic_Misanthrope
Jul 1, 2010


Greggs started being poo poo when they dropped the Chicken Tikka slices.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Greggs sell whole pizzas for £5.

Aromatic Stretch
Nov 4, 2009

SybilVimes posted:

Also, what petrochems? I don't think there's been any oil industry on the tees since the 80s. Mostly it's just Haber process stuff on both old ICI sites (not that Ammonia & nitrates won't gently caress your day up).

In Boro they sniff petrol fumes for fun.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Aromatic Stretch posted:

In Boro they sniff petrol fumes for fun.

That was one guy and he was caught and brought to justice.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Lib Dems are pissy about that Cabinet resignation.

quote:

Sayeeda Warsi did not need to quit in protest over coalition policy on Gaza because the Liberal Democrats were winning the argument inside government, the energy secretary Ed Davey has said.

He said he expected action soon on the suspension of arms exports licences for items that could be used in Gaza. The deputy prime minister and Lib Dem leader, Nick Clegg, had said on Tuesday he was expecting action soon across government.

The issue might have symbolic importance as it would be a reflection of the government's view on whether Israel had breached the terms of the licences.

Davey praised Lady Warsi's strong stand, but told BBC Breakfast: "I think she didn't need to go because we are winning the argument."

Davey said "she should have stayed in to help those arguing for a tougher stand". He also claimed the Israeli military action was "almost collective punishment" directed against the people of Gaza.

Davey's assessment of the state of the argument inside the government does not match that of Warsi herself.

She quit the government on Tuesday morning, saying she was leaving because she had lost the argument inside the Foreign Office over condemnation of Israel's attacks on Gaza. Her assessment was shared by Dominic Grieve, the former attorney general sacked in the summer reshuffle.

Warsi also pointed out that Britain had abstained in a UN vote when there was a call for an investigation into possible war crimes in Gaza.

She added that she should have resigned last year when the UN voted on Palestinian statehood.

There is no certainty that any arms export licences will be suspended, but no new ones have been issued since the Israeli operation was launched.

"Suspending export licences is not a decision we take lightly and it is right that we examine the facts fully. This is the approach being taken by the vast majority of countries," a Downing Street spokesman said.

The former Foreign Office minister Sir Hugh Robertson said he did not think the government's policy on Gaza had changed much in the past fortnight.

The Tory MP for Faversham and Mid Kent, who left the government in last month's reshuffle, told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme: "I just don't think … shouting at them from London is going to make a difference. What we need to do is do the hard yards of diplomacy."

Asked about Warsi's claims of a domestic backlash in terms of radicalisation, he replied: "She has a point. Of course she is absolutely right.

"She worked enormously hard on the question of our Syria policy and the radicalisation of young British Muslims.

"She's absolutely right [that] our foreign policy does have implications for us domestically."

But he added: "You have to recognise that Israel is a state that feels very, very strongly about its own security.

"It is getting rocketed on a regular basis … you can argue about the way they have responded but you have to recognise there is an argument there that needs to be addressed.

"I don't think this situation is anything like as simple as some people here think it is."

Guess they can't deal with the fact that the first person to resign from this nightmare of a coalition on moral grounds was fuckin' Warsi. I mean, what does that say about them?

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
The Lib Dems aren't going to have a single MP come the next election.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Gort posted:

The Lib Dems aren't going to have a single MP come the next election.

I dunno, they've got some pretty safe seats and a lot of back-benchers have been quietly distancing themselves from the wreck over the past four year. I wonder if there's a spread market on their results next year? I mean it'll be an obliteration whatever way, but I wouldn't be surprised if 15 or 20 Lib Dems managed to stagger away with their seats.

twoot
Oct 29, 2012

goddamnedtwisto posted:

I dunno, they've got some pretty safe seats and a lot of back-benchers have been quietly distancing themselves from the wreck over the past four year. I wonder if there's a spread market on their results next year? I mean it'll be an obliteration whatever way, but I wouldn't be surprised if 15 or 20 Lib Dems managed to stagger away with their seats.

Politicalbetting had a post a few months ago which said the betting market had them at holding 35 seats. But this was before the internal polling scuffle which showed even super safe seats like Danny Alexander's flipping, and Lord Ashcroft has since done polling of Lib/Lab marginals which showed an average 20% swing to Lab.

twoot fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Aug 6, 2014

Alecto
Feb 11, 2014

Gort posted:

The Lib Dems aren't going to have a single MP come the next election.

Yes, yes they will. Almost definitely double figures, maybe more than 20. Even with the ~8% of the vote they're predicted, with the distribution as it has been in previous elections, they'd have around 15. Resilient buggars.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

JoylessJester posted:

"Bristol is ok if you avoid St.Paul's Bedminster, Brislington, Easton, Fishpounds, Filton, Frenchay, Hartcliffe, Knowle, Lawrence Hill, Southmead and St.George"- My last Boss.


Bristol is actually great as long as you don't expect to get anywhere quickly.

LOL your last boss is a massive wanker and probably a racialist.

loving rah toff clifton / redland types who can't stand poors and browns seem to think that st pauls is a hive of crack dealers and muggers and whores. I mean. partly true but it's all pretty safe these days.

much more likely to get raped in clifton than anywhere else in the city I feel.

bedminster is coming up up up (well except for east street which is probably condemned to bit a poo poo hole forever) and easton is certainly a great place to buy a house. those other areas are fine, but they're pretty much residential and to be fair they're a bit rough around the edges, but meh. better than loving clifton.

BS3 4LYFE

Fun fact, bristol has a street called Whiteladies Road and another called Black Boy Hill which runs just off it.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Web 2.0 news

Wikipedia edits made by government sought to minimise high profile killings
Articles pertaining to Jean Charles de Menezes and Damilola Taylor were edited using devices on government internet

quote:

Wikipedia articles about the killings of Damilola Taylor and Jean Charles de Menezes were among those edited using computers from inside government, it has emerged.

One amendment made using the government's IT system sought to highlight what the editor said was a "public backlash" against the amount of media attention the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes attracted. Another amended the entry on Damilola Taylor to say that he "died", rather than that he "was murdered".

An IP address that activists have traced to the British government was used to add a paragraph attacking the groups that had called for a thorough investigation into the de Menezes case.

In the Wikipedia entry on the shooting, a government internet connection was used to write: "There has been some public backlash against Menezes, with British tabloid newspaper in particular protesting that he has received more publicity than any of the 52 people who died in the bombings. 'Anti-war' groups who champion Menezes case, ignore the fate of the victims of the bombings, other then to 'understand' why the attacks occurred due to the UK's role in Iraq."

It was also used to cast doubt on his immigration status and to write that the Stop the War coalition believes "that terror attacks on Britain are justified because of the UK's involvement in the overthrow of Saddam Hussein".

Other changes made using a government internet connection included amending the page on the Independent Police Complaints Commission to more closely resemble its own PR messages.

A government spokesman said: "Government takes these matters very seriously. We have recently reminded civil servants of their responsibilities under the civil service code and any breaches of the code will be dealt with.

"We will shortly be issuing fuller guidance on using the internet and social media to all departments."

It is not believed, however, that the government will launch an inquiry.

Those edits, as well as others, were first reported by Channel 4 News. They emerged after two experts claimed to have identified IP addresses used by government computers.

Asad Rehman, a spokesman for the de Menezes family, told the programme: "Like all ordinary members of the public, I'm shocked. This is yet one more smear and attack on the family.

"We've seen over many years lies, misinformation and smears during the family's attempt to find the truth and justice and answers about how an innocent young man on his way to work was gunned down by police officers."

The news follows the revelation that offensive messages about the Hillsborough disaster were posted using government IP addresses.

Wikipedia's co-founder Jimmy Wales condemned the practice and said that the site's community of editors was there to pick up such cases.

But he played down the news, saying it was unlikely to be part of a "disinformation campaign" and more likely to be someone who "has gone a bit rogue".

I love that bold bit. There has been a public backlash against the innocent man who was shot dead, for his sheer audacity and attention-grabbing behaviour

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Gort posted:

The Lib Dems aren't going to have a single MP come the next election.

On the current data, for all 4 main parties you can make a highly plausible argument that they're going to do extremely badly at the next election.

Labour: No economic credibility, failing to gain support in Conservative areas, hobbled by Ed Miliband's low opinion poll ratings.

Conservatives: Have failed to reach out to voters beyond their base in the prosperous SE, still widely seen as the 'nasty party', struggling to prevent supporters from defecting to Ukip.

Lib Dems: Support has flatlined for years at 10% or less and absolutely zero signs of any improvement in this.

Ukip: has noisy and highly visible supporters but their support is too evenly spread across the country to be able to pick up more than a handful of seats, max.

So there you go: the next election will be won by... Nobody!
(seriously though, I expect Labour to scrape in with a small majority of seats on the back of a highly unimpressive share of the vote.)

General China
Aug 19, 2012

by Smythe

Manic_Misanthrope posted:

Greggs started being poo poo when they dropped the Chicken Tikka slices.

I was disgusted to find that you cannot buy stottie cakes from Greggs in Lancashire.

I may have to resort to baking them myself.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy

Gort posted:

The Lib Dems aren't going to have a single MP come the next election.

My constituency (Bristol W) will be a good indicator of just how hosed they are. If Stephen Williams goes (I loving hope so) then pretty much no-one is safe.

(I'll also laugh if Cleggy loses his seat)

E: How reliable is Electoral Calculus? Their vulnerable list has some pretty big names

mfcrocker fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Aug 7, 2014

nuzak
Feb 13, 2012

baka kaba posted:

Web 2.0 news

Wikipedia edits made by government sought to minimise high profile killings
Articles pertaining to Jean Charles de Menezes and Damilola Taylor were edited using devices on government internet


I love that bold bit. There has been a public backlash against the innocent man who was shot dead, for his sheer audacity and attention-grabbing behaviour

Bet the gov's less keen on people collecting "mere metadata" on this sort of thing

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

mfcrocker posted:

E: How reliable is Electoral Calculus? Their vulnerable list has some pretty big names

From their FAQ: Local factors can be very important. These can include a particularly popular (or unpopular) incumbent, a recent by-election, an important local issue, and so on. Unfortunately they cannot be included, as predictions are driven by national levels of support, as measured by national opinion polls. On average local factors must balance out, but the prediction in a particular seat may be incorrect.


Given that the Lib Dems' hopes of remaining a force after 2015 rest almost entirely on local factors, I'm not sure that you can pay too much attention to that site. I don't think Williams is a good bellwether for the Lib Dems' hopes, tbh - he's not especially popular in his own right within his area AFAIK (unlike, say, Julian Huppert) and he's in a very studenty constituency so the tuition fees backstab will hurt him a lot.

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mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy

LemonDrizzle posted:

Given that the Lib Dems' hopes of remaining a force after 2015 rest almost entirely on local factors, I'm not sure that you can pay too much attention to that site. I don't think Williams is a good bellwether for the Lib Dems' hopes, tbh - he's not especially popular in his own right within his area AFAIK (unlike, say, Julian Huppert) and he's in a very studenty constituency so the tuition fees backstab will hurt him a lot.

He's not massively popular or unpopular (I personally really don't like him because he's a sycophant). I don't know how much tuition fees will hurt him beyond the baseline "gently caress the Lib Dems" sentiment.

I'll have to research what the Labour candidate is like (and the Green one when they finally get round to selecting one)

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