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Cataphract posted:why do all those drop pods have harnesses? Dreads gotta put their beer somewhere.
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Lego should just make their own wargame.
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dichloroisocyanuric posted:Lego should just make their own wargame. While it's not an official Lego product, Mobile Frame Zero is about as slick of a product as I've ever seen that turns Lego into wargaming minis. I've only perused the ruleset but it seems to use some clever standardization of components so that you can design a mech that is styled however you desire but the key elements that relate to stats will be clear to your opponent.
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Aug 8, 2014 03:51
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Scut posted:While it's not an official Lego product, Mobile Frame Zero is about as slick of a product as I've ever seen that turns Lego into wargaming minis. I've only perused the ruleset but it seems to use some clever standardization of components so that you can design a mech that is styled however you desire but the key elements that relate to stats will be clear to your opponent. This looks hilarious. May give it a shot.
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Aug 8, 2014 03:53
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Oooh we can get MURDERCLAW take my thousand dollars for 7 models please.
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Aug 8, 2014 04:16
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The sound of 40k players' families suddenly losing the rationalization that "at least it's cheaper than heroin."
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Aug 8, 2014 04:22
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do people actually buy that poo poo? does anyone know anyone that owns one of those $1000 sets. I mean, yeah, sure, I've met plenty of people that have spent over $1000 on this game, but who the hell buys 7 murderbots and 7 droppods all at once? what the hell are they doing with them?
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Aug 8, 2014 04:30
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I knew a kid whose dad bought him the $800 Thunderhawk back when it was a limited edition metal kit that came in a wooden box with brass rods to assemble it. He paid a guy to build it for him, and someone else to paint it. Edit: And that was 1990's dollars so it'd be like $1200 in today's GW money.
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Aug 8, 2014 04:33
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Scut posted:While it's not an official Lego product, Mobile Frame Zero is about as slick of a product as I've ever seen that turns Lego into wargaming minis. I've only perused the ruleset but it seems to use some clever standardization of components so that you can design a mech that is styled however you desire but the key elements that relate to stats will be clear to your opponent. Ooh, thanks for this! I am a big fan of stuff like Robotech and so forth, so I'll definitely give this a peek. 
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Aug 8, 2014 04:37
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dichloroisocyanuric posted:do people actually buy that poo poo? does anyone know anyone that owns one of those $1000 sets. I mean, yeah, sure, I've met plenty of people that have spent over $1000 on this game, but who the hell buys 7 murderbots and 7 droppods all at once? what the hell are they doing with them? A long time ago we (edit: the 40k thread) got a really loving creepy story from somebody's LGS about a guy who thought he could make a living as a painter, and kept coming into the store to sell his painted minis. One day he was there with his daughter and wife and was checking to see if something sold, and the daughter asked 'does this mean we can have juice?' I'm not saying GW is bankrupting fathers and preventing children from having enough food to eat. What I am saying is that the SA goons love to judge someone in trouble. Anyway, my point is, if I owned an original all-lead thunderhawk, i'd wear it as a hat. Where's your gw pride?! Roll to see if you charge that next purchase across the rough terrain of good sense.
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Aug 8, 2014 04:42
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How does mobile frame zero play? do they give you plans to build the models or are you building whatever you want and getting charged against the points cap with each block? They seem to be melding the game with a BFG style space combat module so i'm down to raid my old legos from my mom's house.
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Aug 8, 2014 05:39
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You can download the rules for Mobile Frame Zero free off the website, but as my memory serves; units are built with a kind of points system where you can spend those points in a mostly free manner. This means you can have something cheap with little armour and few weapons, or expensive with guns-a-plenty. Because every system is literally modeled on the figure, it's pretty much a true WYSIWYG design philosophy. There are sample mech designs that the game creators show you how to build, but if you search blogs and flickr for Mobile Frame Zero you'll find all sorts of clever original designs people have made that are also perfectly game-legal. The way I understand it, as long as your opponent understands that "this widget is a cannon, that greeble is a missile, and these blocks are shields..." you can literally make your mech look however you please. Note, I haven't ever played a game of MFZ, but the concept feels very democratic and modern, and I love seeing the designs people come up with. I just wish Lego had a parts retail system that was also forward thinking, because I'd love to build some of this micro-scale stuff just as a hobby.
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Aug 8, 2014 05:55
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All 3 of the major LEGO based games (MFZ/Mechaton, Brikwars, Steve Jackson's Pirate Game) are pretty fun.Scut posted:I just wish Lego had a parts retail system that was also forward thinking, because I'd love to build some of this micro-scale stuff just as a hobby. http://www.bricklink.com/
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I backed Mobile Frame Zero: Intercept Orbit on Kickstarter because it was lego spaceships which are 
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Calico Noose posted:Oooh we can get MURDERCLAW take my thousand dollars for 7 models please. Those are Aussie prices, of course. $640 US for 14 models. Average $45 per model. Drop pods sell for $37 retail. Space Wolf Venerable Dreadnoughts sell for $54 for some reason. No one anywhere can name that reason.
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Aug 8, 2014 08:50
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serious gaylord posted:I was unaware every army in 40k now had to summon Daemons? Just look at this poo poo. Jesus...
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Fix posted:Space Wolf Venerable Dreadnoughts sell for $54 for some reason. No one anywhere can name that reason. Well, you see, the intrinsic worth of mass-produced injection molded plastic something something jewel-like objects of wonder
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Aug 8, 2014 09:20
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I don't understand why the new space wolf dread isn't the same price as the Blood Angel Furioso. Same amount of parts. But well, GW.
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The problem with the whole 'write rules to be able to sell more models -> sell more models' is one of those things that once you've realised you're being manipulated in that way, you can't un-realise it and it turns you into a gigantic cynical bastard. Oh to be innocent and naive again.serious gaylord posted:I don't understand why the new space wolf dread isn't the same price as the Blood Angel Furioso. Same amount of parts. But well, GW. They've started including a cocaine tax, the drug habit that leads to those awful '80s cartoon exta' sculpts has to be a pretty expensive one I imagine.
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enri posted:The problem with the whole 'write rules to be able to sell more models -> sell more models' is one of those things that once you've realised you're being manipulated in that way, you can't un-realise it and it turns you into a gigantic cynical bastard. Oh to be innocent and naive again. All the rules are written to sell more models though. Hell, they should be. Rules for flyers were made to sell Flyers, which is fine. Flyers are alright. But when you start writing rules intended to move more models with no consideration for the game itself, the narrative they've built, or balance, then it's a problem. That's when you see Imperial psykers summoning daemons, no real restrictions on allies (or allies to begin with, though I see the appeal of the 6th ed matrix and it has led to some cool army concepts), and unbound lists (why have 3 dreadnoughts when you can have 7?). Fix posted:Those are Aussie prices, of course. $640 US for 14 models. Average $45 per model. Drop pods sell for $37 retail. Space Wolf Venerable Dreadnoughts sell for $54 for some reason. No one anywhere can name that reason. Hm... Dreadnoughts are $54, Drop pods are $37.25... that means... Holy poo poo! Are you telling me that if I drop the small sum of $638.75 to buy those 14 models from the manufacturer right now I can save $0 on my order? SIGN ME THE gently caress UP
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TheChirurgeon posted:Hm... Dreadnoughts are $54, Drop pods are $37.25... that means... Holy poo poo! Are you telling me that if I drop the small sum of $638.75 to buy those 14 models from the manufacturer right now I can save $0 on my order? SIGN ME THE gently caress UP Wonder if it comes in a plain white box?...
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TheCosmicMuffet posted:A long time ago we (edit: the 40k thread) got a really loving creepy story from somebody's LGS about a guy who thought he could make a living as a painter, and kept coming into the store to sell his painted minis. One day he was there with his daughter and wife and was checking to see if something sold, and the daughter asked 'does this mean we can have juice?' That was tagdh's story. The guy was a flavor of the month player, not a commission painter. He would buy a gently caress ton of the latest, most powerful army and then sell it weeks later as a commission sale at the FLGS and lose a bundle, so he could get the new, new OP army. He wasn't in trouble, he was an rear end in a top hat who put his hobby before his family.
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Moola posted:Just look at this poo poo. Jesus... Well, he is right. People often forget the Tyranid clause in the core 40k rules.
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Two Feet From Bread posted:Well, he is right. People often forget the Tyranid clause in the core 40k rules. I don't think anyone is really bothered by that clause* Also, Why have I not noticed this thread until now? 29th June, 2015 because the end of the Financial year sounds like the right sort of time for GW to collapse. *except Tyranids
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Two Feet From Bread posted:Well, he is right. People often forget the Tyranid clause in the core 40k rules. Technically it's a phrase, not a clause. 
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ShineDog posted:Tyranid Clause? Gives presents to all the good little termagaunts.
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TheChirurgeon posted:All the rules are written to sell more models though. Hell, they should be. Rules for flyers were made to sell Flyers, which is fine. Flyers are alright. Yea like, I know when Warmachine releases a new book that JUST HAPPENS to have a lot of cool models, they want me to go 'oooh shiny' and buy them, but I also know that most of the time those models are fairly decently thought out, fit the theme of the book, usually cover some gaps in the army they go with, and generally feel like they have some purpose other than only taking my money from me. With Warhammer I couldn't see a reason behind a lot of things other than 'gently caress you, pay me' and I just can't keep giving them hundreds of dollars because of that.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea like, I know when Warmachine releases a new book that JUST HAPPENS to have a lot of cool models, they want me to go 'oooh shiny' and buy them, but I also know that most of the time those models are fairly decently thought out, fit the theme of the book, usually cover some gaps in the army they go with, and generally feel like they have some purpose other than only taking my money from me. For me these changes erode the mechanical and thematic differences between factions, and make the game a shittier game. Daemons aren't as cool if every army with a psyker can summon them. You don't have to consider your faction's mechanical strengths and weaknesses if you can just ally in forces that completely compensate for those weaknesses. You don't have to worry about making a meaningful decision between heavy support choices--just put all of them on the table!
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ShineDog posted:Tyranid Clause? fool_of_sound posted:Gives presents to all the good little termagaunts. Space Wolves did it first  
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Aug 8, 2014 19:07
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Dear Santa, for Christmas this year I'd like a picture of dear emperor, the same as every year.
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petrol blue posted:Dear Santa, for Christmas this year I'd like a picture of dear emperor, the same as every year. "WHO TOLD YOU ABOUT SANTA?!" And then, petrol blue's planet got the greatest gift of all, EXTERMINATUS.
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petrol blue posted:Dear Santa, for Christmas this year I'd like a picture of dear emperor, the same as every year. An entity that doesn't obey the laws of physics and will grant you your heart's desire in exchange for following its rules? Sounds like a Chaos god to me
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Aug 8, 2014 19:56
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The Lord of Man really did hear our prayers for warmth!
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El Estrago Bonito posted:All 3 of the major LEGO based games (MFZ/Mechaton, Brikwars, Steve Jackson's Pirate Game) are pretty fun. There's also Brickquest for that HeroQuest/WHQ itch! It's especially cool, since you actually use legos to track health/loot/etc 
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Despite being a bit of a fan of the Warhammer universe through the video games, some comics and tabletop RPGs, I really know nothing about the mini games. Despite not really being interested in changing that, I am curious, is there a way to obtain minis other than through Games Workshop? I've thought about picking up some Guardsmen for Only War games or something like that, but I don't want to pay the absolutely goofy prices GW charges.
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eBay for second hand, or recasters.
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And for Guardsman you have a wealth of alternatives from other companies, because guys in flack jackets with rifles is as generic as it gets. Mantic Corporation Dreamforge Eisenkern Stormtroopers Victoria Guard Wargames Factory Shock Troops Puppetswar Troopers
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NTRabbit posted:And for Guardsman you have a wealth of alternatives from other companies, because guys in flack jackets with rifles is as generic as it gets. I'm surprised that over half of these options are actually more expensive.
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dichloroisocyanuric posted:I'm surprised that over half of these options are actually more expensive. Ummm they're not? The only ones that are more expensive are the Victoria guard and Puppetswar, which are both resin. Savings might not be great on all of them, but there's only two which are more expensive.
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