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Why is there a phone on Patti's desk? I am very confused.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:24
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If you are confused by anything in this show, don't assume  and just look to the writers.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:28
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Professor Shark posted:Because *reasons* Because 2% of the world magically disappeared and some people would mentally break. EDIT: The not talking thing even when in their own house really bugs me though, that just comes off as dumb writing to me.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:46
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The Dave posted:Because 2% of the world magically disappeared and some people would mentally break. So they stop talking and start harassing people, keeping logs of their comings and goings, and chain smoke. I think people would just kill themselves. They've done nothing to suggest why the GR would be appealing. As someone pointed out, it still doesn't make sense why Liv Tyler is there. People just show up at their door.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:52
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I was expecting the daughter to pull out Nora's gun and start shooting people in the GR house. Not that kind of show though. Put me down on the list who think Dog Shooter is talking to people we cannot see.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:57
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I've been assuming that Liv Tylers character joined up to gently caress with them from the inside. Why? Reasons.
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Aug 18, 2014 23:28
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WeAreTheRomans posted:I've been assuming that Liv Tylers character joined up to gently caress with them from the inside. Why? Reasons. Yeah, I thought she might be a sleeper cell of some sorts. Everyone seems to be playing an angle, but who knows who is crazy, legit, making stuff up or what. I thought I saw her smirk or something after she broke down that made me think she might be trolling them. Hell, I'd be doing whatever I could to make them talk, it would be a fun little game.
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Aug 18, 2014 23:47
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I must have missed when it was explained (or was it ever?) but why is it they don't speak? Is it just about the general pointlessness of everything or is there a more specific thing they're trying to (not) say?
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Aug 18, 2014 23:59
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thehustler posted:Why is there a phone on Patti's desk? I am very confused. Dial-A-Song.
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Aug 19, 2014 00:33
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Cactus posted:I must have missed when it was explained (or was it ever?) but why is it they don't speak? Is it just about the general pointlessness of everything or is there a more specific thing they're trying to (not) say? I assume they don't speak because they know it makes them extra insufferable and rattles people more when people scream at them for watching them calmly as they water their lawn, and GR doesn't respond back other than to take another drag off their cigarette. Have you ever screamed and been like furious with someone while they stood there and just stared at you, maybe blinked a few times and then said nothing? That would piss me off even more. Basically they seem to be there just to piss everyone off and not talking helps accomplish that.
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Aug 19, 2014 00:52
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I'm liking the show more and more as it goes on after being pretty iffy at first. I do want them to take a small detour to the White House and show a flashback of the President absconding and then watching all hell break loose with the secret service.
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Aug 19, 2014 00:57
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This show makes me feel weird when I watch it. I get these weird cold sweats-- I think it triggers some deep seated anxiety or something.
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Aug 19, 2014 02:15
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The GR seems to me to be a NO gently caress YOU DAD version of the dudes that wandered Europe whipping themselves during the Black Death. Most of their weirdness is self-imposed rejection of life. Don't wear colors, smoke yourself to death, never forget that people are gone. Never let others forget either. The Onion AV club had a really good write-up on the show's exploration of depression and the totemic use of Okay and Not Okay for this episode. Garvey's daughter is Not Okay and she challenges Nora, who should be the Least Okay on getting better. I saw her burglary at Nora's as a relatively hopeful attempt to confirm that Nora really didn't need the gun anymore. When she found it, it confirmed that Nora was both Not Okay and full of poo poo. And that's what lead her to the GR's door. The GR collectively are the embodiment of Not Okay.
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Aug 19, 2014 02:43
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Also liked how Janel Maloney was credited as a guest star for this episode when she was effectively a prop. Hopefully she shows up in some more of Matt's flashbacks.
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Aug 19, 2014 03:10
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Subterfrugal posted:The GR seems to me to be a NO gently caress YOU DAD version of the dudes that wandered Europe whipping themselves during the Black Death. Most of their weirdness is self-imposed rejection of life. Don't wear colors, smoke yourself to death, never forget that people are gone. Never let others forget either. But is Nora REALLY not okay? The show really wants you to believe that there is something to Holy Wayne other than a
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Aug 19, 2014 03:15
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I think Jill's logic was faulty - plenty of normal people keep a gun in their home for self defense. Even in their purses! But I'll go along with the "she was hiding the gun in her house so she isn't really okay" as Jill's reasoning. She isn't exactly thinking clearly at this point, I think.
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Aug 19, 2014 03:36
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I agree. Even if you don't feel the need to carry that gun still cost money and has value. As for Nora I don't know if anyone is really Okay, but she's getting Better. I think what gives The Holy Wayne his juice is that people who seek him out and drop thousands of dollars for a hug are clearly motivated to move on. The pilgrimage, the weirdness and the money dress up what he's really doing which is giving people permission to feel better.
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Aug 19, 2014 03:52
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Sometimes a gun under the bed is just a gun under the bed?
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Aug 19, 2014 03:56
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life is killing me posted:But is Nora REALLY not okay? The show really wants you to believe that there is something to Holy Wayne other than a I get the impression that since she's keeping the gun in her kid's room in a box titled trouble would indicate that she's not really okay. Kind of how the other Wayne-ite guy was doing an awful lot of drugs for someone who is supposed to be completely okay.
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Aug 19, 2014 03:59
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SLOSifl posted:It sounded very much like the way Garvey Sr addresses the voices, and that was certainly intentional. Whether or not dogman was actually talking to the source of similar voices or not, we were supposed to make the connection. Didn't Garvey Sr tell his son that someone was sent to help him? Maybe it's Dogman?
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Aug 19, 2014 05:37
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Wallwhacker posted:Didn't Garvey Sr tell his son that someone was sent to help him? Maybe it's Dogman? I think so. The guy is really weird and shows up at weird times, and basically won't leave Kevin alone. Then he just gives Kevin his truck, or rather forces the truck on him. And I haven't been paying close attention but who else has really directly addressed him besides Kevin and Patti?
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Aug 19, 2014 05:50
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His daughter when he dropped by with the 6 pack of beer. He's weird for sure but it does seem like he actually exists unless Kevin is going nuts and we're seeing an unreliable narrator. Has he actually been named on screen yet? I just call him dog sniper.
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Aug 19, 2014 06:34
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:His daughter when he dropped by with the 6 pack of beer. He's weird for sure but it does seem like he actually exists unless Kevin is going nuts and we're seeing an unreliable narrator. Has he actually been named on screen yet? I just call him dog sniper. Yeah, enough people have confirmed his existence that it would be really off-putting if they suddenly pulled a 'he was just in your imagination' twist without a really loving good explanation.
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Aug 19, 2014 06:51
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I'm two episodes in and I'm close to giving up. It's like Disconnect: The Series. I feel like I've been listening to Sail on an endless loop. Does it improve?
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Aug 19, 2014 07:00
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The next episode is very good, after that its a bit up and down but I think overall it's on an upward trend. Just needs some time to find its legs.
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Aug 19, 2014 07:13
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-Blackadder- posted:I'm two episodes in and I'm close to giving up. It's like Disconnect: The Series. I feel like I've been listening to Sail on an endless loop. The third episode is a lot better than the first two and is where the show finds its footing. If you don't like that one then you should probably bail.
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Aug 19, 2014 07:14
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The best episodes have been the ones that center on one character. Although I have to say Cairo was pretty good, and I can feel for the Garvey guy to some degree. The final pieces of his life that were holding him in place are pretty quickly giving way now. The big question to me which we may never get an answer is what the hell it is that him and the father see and/or lose time to? edit: Also the minimalist score is awesome.
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Aug 19, 2014 07:18
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This show is really good but it's not for everyone, which leads to a lot of unqualified critical backlash from turds who are still likely salty about 'Lost'. As someone who never watched that show, I eagerly look forward to each new episode of 'The Leftovers', a show with the perfect soundtrack to compliment & enhance a gorgeously dismal character drama.
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Aug 19, 2014 07:49
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:Also liked how Janel Maloney was credited as a guest star for this episode when she was effectively a prop. Hopefully she shows up in some more of Matt's flashbacks. You would assume an alumnus of one of the most popular dramas ever, who had pages of dialogue every week, wouldn't be signing up to be a mute prop. Or else she has the worlds shittiest agent, or its like when Clooney agreed to voice the dog in South Park.
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Aug 19, 2014 09:30
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You ever notice he blacks out around Dogman?
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Aug 19, 2014 10:13
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When Kevin was in the cabin with Dog Sniper and Dog Sniper asks Kevin to step outside to speak, Patti says something like "You're about to get some great advice." To me that seemed like she was aware that Kevin was out of his mind, or had a multiple personality thing going on or w/e the gently caress...therefore he'd be getting advice from himself. I don't even know...wtf
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Aug 19, 2014 10:38
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I hope they get back to the magazine
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Aug 19, 2014 10:43
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Also everything about Patti's personality tells me that in a situation like that she'd play along with Kevin's delusions just to gently caress with him because...she seems more about gettin' off on loving with people than anything else.
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Aug 19, 2014 10:43
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If Dog Sniper was in his head it would be lovely writing because he's been in scenes where people would have been questioning why Garvey is talking to himself.
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Aug 19, 2014 11:44
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Dog guy led the opposition to the curfew that Garvey championed.
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Aug 19, 2014 12:44
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The dog guy just wants to see things through so he can get that dollar.
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Aug 19, 2014 13:41
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lifts cats over head posted:The dog guy just wants to see things through so he can get that dollar. He did get really pissed off when he thought Kevin was trying wiggle out of the bet by faking amnesia.
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Aug 19, 2014 13:58
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I will get that dollar!
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Aug 19, 2014 14:26
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life is killing me posted:I assume they don't speak because they know it makes them extra insufferable and rattles people more when people scream at them for watching them calmly as they water their lawn, and GR doesn't respond back other than to take another drag off their cigarette. Funny you should say that; I was in exactly that situation not so long ago except it was me that was being screamed at and the only option I felt was correct at the time was to sit there like a GR rear end in a top hat not saying anything. My reasoning was that nothing I say right now in the heat of the moment will be the correct answer, and I'll learn more about what is upsetting this person by listening to the rant rather than trying to interrupt it and making it worse. Turns out in this case I was right. Anyway back on topic, this makes sense except for the fact they stay silent even amongst themselves behind closed doors, which must make the day-to-day running of the compound and the making of any plans unnecessarily difficult, not to mention the inflated stationary costs they must incur what with how they use entire pages to write notes of two or three words. I like the show, I can accept that we'll never get the big answers (which I find quite liberating, actually) and I don't mind that all the characters are pieces of poo poo because I find them and the premise really interesting, but for some reason this little detail annoys me and I don't think it should fall under the criteria of "unexplained mystery" like the departure or the voices certain characters appear to be hearing does. Tl;dr: The GR should probably speak to each other when they're alone, or it should have been explicitly addressed by now - eight episodes in - what the reasoning is behind them choosing a life of total muteness. What are the odds that the producers were lying when they said that the answers would never come, in order to be able to tell their story in peace and get to the end while heading off at the pass all the ex-LOST people's criticisms? I mean, if that's what they're doing it obviously hasn't worked (haha of course it didn't haha) unless they're simply trolling us all for shits and giggles. If I were in Damon Lindelof's position and had had years of assholes being assholes at me about a loving TV show, that's probably what I'd do.
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Aug 19, 2014 14:48
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All I'm sayin' is, if I beat a dude to death in a casino parking lot with his girlfriend watching, they'd probably have that poo poo on camera and I'd wake up from a 3 day coma to find myself in cuffs.
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