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And then asks for a muffin. Or soda.
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Aug 15, 2014 07:23
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I feel like she's a full-fledged tier two character, somewhere between Sam and Ed/Larry in terms of development. But she does get mistreated with her cringeworthy introductory AND I'M THEIR LAWYER  speech, what an awful way to introduce the character.
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Aug 15, 2014 07:29
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Eh, at this point she seems to exist for Sam to go "so what do you think of Thing  " and for her to parrot talking points until she gets exasperated and offers a counter-argument that leaves Sam stunned 40 minutes later.And asking for muffins.
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So according to Netflix, the premiere of season 3 is a Very Special Episode where the main characters explain the concepts of terrorism and Islamic extremism (re: 9/11) to a bunch of high schoolers (that obviously represent the audience) while Leo is uncharacteristically racist toward a Muslim suspected of being a terrorist, which all seems to take place out of order of the show's timeline while the second episode continues the cliffhanger from the end of season 2? 
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Luigi Thirty posted:So according to Netflix, the premiere of season 3 is a Very Special Episode where the main characters explain the concepts of terrorism and Islamic extremism (re: 9/11) to a bunch of high schoolers while Leo is uncharacteristically racist toward a Muslim suspected of being a terrorist, which all seems to take place out of order of the show's timeline while the second episode continues the cliffhanger from the end of season 2? The intro to the episode mentions that it's basically a play using the characters and is not part of the show's story in any way. It was aired weeks after 9/11. I think there's some good stuff in it, but again it's not part of the show.
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Deadpool posted:The intro to the episode mentions that it's basically a play using the characters and is not part of the show's story in any way. Oooooooooh, my Netflix must have messed up because I realize that I missed that intro somehow. Now it makes sense. Nevermind, carry on. Was it promoted as the season premiere at the time, was it advertised as a special, or is Netflix dumb and out of order? Luigi Thirty fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Aug 20, 2014 |
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Luigi Thirty posted:Oooooooooh, my Netflix must have messed up because I realize that I missed the intro and opening titles somehow. Nevermind, carry on. Was it promoted as the season premiere at the time, was it advertised as a special, or is Netflix dumb and out of order? Here's the intro. It was the first episode of the season, but very much just a special. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSAMKvADVhg
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Luigi Thirty posted:Oooooooooh, my Netflix must have messed up because I realize that I missed that intro somehow. Now it makes sense. Nevermind, carry on. Was it promoted as the season premiere at the time, was it advertised as a special, or is Netflix dumb and out of order? Martin Sheen does a specific intro that says its not part of the narrative and the season cliffhanger will be picked up the following week. Netflix on some shows will skip the opening credits for you. It might have done that. TheBigBad fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Aug 20, 2014 |
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Aug 20, 2014 00:45
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Deadpool posted:Here's the intro. It was the first episode of the season, but very much just a special. Okay, they cut that from the show on Netflix and the runtime is 39-something. The episode opens with the episode title and no explanation. That explains everything.
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Aug 20, 2014 00:46
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I'd forgotten Janel's, "And I get a boyfriend!" at the end of that. 
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Aug 20, 2014 00:47
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I like to think of it as a bit of insight into what being Chief of Staff has to entail behind the eternal optimism of the show. Someone has to be the pragmatist.
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I really liked Isaac and Ishmael, but again as a standalone play that's not really in the timeline or even with the characters. The fact that it came out weeks after 9/11 I think is what makes it especially interesting to watch.
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Aug 20, 2014 02:36
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Also you have to remember it's a pretty progressive piece of writing for that time. There was a lot of racist poo poo being said.
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A lot of people give it crap for being heavy-handed, but I remember at least one of my friends coming to school (it was our senior year) and saying "Man, I wanted to nuke all of the Middle East and then I saw that West Wing episode, it really changed my mind." So you know, it had some effect, even if it was just on that one guy I knew.
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"Yo I heard all Muslims are terrorists, right" Hurr gently caress that episode.
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Mu Zeta posted:"Yo I heard all Muslims are terrorists, right" Hurr Except this was literally happening in the weeks after 9/11. I'm in Canada and a friend of mine's brother ended up shaving his beard because he was getting so harassed by people. People were terrified.
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Aug 20, 2014 15:08
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Yeah, it's not really what I'd call a good episode, but I forgive it because it was a crazy time just after 9/11. It's an interesting character study, and an interesting piece of TV history.
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Aug 20, 2014 15:13
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Mu Zeta posted:"Yo I heard all Muslims are terrorists, right" Hurr The episode isn't saying that though. It's explicitly trying to counter that sentiment, which as ridiculous as it might seem to us (and lets not forget that goons as a demographic are likely better educated, more worldly, politically and sociologically aware, and far more left leaning than the general population) that was a fairly widespread belief at the time, and one which continues to this day even outside of America. You can see it in the growing prominence of hardline anti immigration and even neo nazi elements in European politics, and there is an element of it here in Australia, which our current deplorable government is exploiting for its own political gain.
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Mu Zeta posted:"Yo I heard all Muslims are terrorists, right" Hurr This was not an unpopular opinion in 2001. I don't think you appreciate how insane and racist things got and still are. e:fb
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Yeah but the episode was aimed at the people that already watch The West Wing. It just felt like a waste of an hour and really condescending.
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Luigi Thirty posted:This was not an unpopular opinion in 2001. I don't think you appreciate how insane and racist things got and still are. *slowly looks over to Missouri.
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Mu Zeta posted:Yeah but the episode was aimed at the people that already watch The West Wing. It just felt like a waste of an hour and really condescending. I guess there was an expectation that the show would do something and they preferred to deal with it like that rather than have the show continuity exist in a world in which September 11 occurred. I kinda agree with them.
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Aug 20, 2014 15:30
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Mu Zeta posted:Yeah but the episode was aimed at the people that already watch The West Wing. It just felt like a waste of an hour and really condescending. It probably was condescending but there were also a lot of people who needed to be condescended to (and still do) about the difference between Islam and extremism. I think it's fine for what it is.
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Aug 20, 2014 15:31
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9/11 made the US go nuts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqxmJc9Ezk0
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It's a lot less embarrassing in retrospect than the other programming that was put on air the first week shows resumed. SNL had a musical number where they rhymed Afghani cities they wanted to bomb.
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Anyone who thinks Isaac and Ishmael was heavy handed doesn't remember how widespread "loving sand niggers!!!" was at that time. "Brown people" are still viewed suspiciously 13 years later.
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Yeah, it's hard to believe people don't remember how vile America was immediately post-9/11, but I guess thirteen years will do that. Hell, maybe in 130 we'll be able to totally whitewash the Iraq invasion.
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tetrapyloctomy posted:Yeah, it's hard to believe people don't remember how vile America was immediately post-9/11, but I guess thirteen years will do that. Hell, maybe in 130 we'll be able to totally whitewash the Iraq invasion. Remember the
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Of course there's a Wikipedia article about this. Of course. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_entertainment_affected_by_the_September_11_attacks#Other_changes_prompted_by_the_events_of_9.2F11quote:Two episodes of Pokémon were temporarily taken off the air:
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Joementum posted:Of course there's a Wikipedia article about this. Of course. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_entertainment_affected_by_the_September_11_attacks#Other_changes_prompted_by_the_events_of_9.2F11 My favorite thing will forever be Clearchannel's list of 100 songs you couldn't play on the radio because of 9/11.
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Luigi Thirty posted:My favorite thing will forever be Clearchannel's list of 100 songs you couldn't play on the radio because of 9/11. Which just makes 9/11 the best day to listen to GBS.FM
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Luigi Thirty posted:My favorite thing will forever be Clearchannel's list of 100 songs you couldn't play on the radio because of 9/11. Was it only 100? I thought it was a few hundred. And if I remember it wasn't that they were banned just that it was suggested that they shouldn't play them for a while.
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Deadpool posted:Was it only 100? I thought it was a few hundred. And if I remember it wasn't that they were banned just that it was suggested that they shouldn't play them for a while. Was yakety sax on that list? This is important.
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All I remember is that Dave Matthews Band's "Crash into Me" was on that list.
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Chamberk posted:All I remember is that Dave Matthews Band's "Crash into Me" was on that list. The list in question. 165 "Questionable" songs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Clear_Channel_memorandum
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lol "all songs by Rage Against the Machine".
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paragon1 posted:lol "all songs by Rage Against the Machine". Well, they got one thing right.
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Billy the Mountain posted:The list in question. 165 "Questionable" songs. What the hell did Louie Armstrong do wrong?
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tomapot posted:What the hell did Louie Armstrong do wrong? He sang about racial and political harmony. What an rear end in a top hat. It's easy to see where they're going with that list, and by any reasonable definition of logic The Star Spangled Banner should have been included.
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