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| Verity Lambert |
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49 | 7.04% |
| John Wiles |
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1 | 0.14% |
| Innes Lloyd |
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| Peter Bryant |
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| Derrick Sherwin |
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| Barry Letts |
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12 | 1.72% |
| Phillip Hinchcliffe |
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62 | 8.91% |
| Graham Williams |
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3 | 0.43% |
| John Nathan-Turner |
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15 | 2.16% |
| Philip Segal |
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3 | 0.43% |
| Russel T Davies |
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106 | 15.23% |
| Steven Moffat |
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114 | 16.38% |
| Son Goku |
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324 | 46.55% |
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This is already a thing. I haven't got the time right now but someone really needs to do Seven, Bernice, Ace, and Hax in Doctor Who and the Pandorica.
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Astroman posted:poo poo, you can just do interesting ones alone if you hit the concept of "what if X Doctor died several stories early and regenerated into the next guy." Even though I've said I probably wouldn't read any these "novelizations", I must admit that "What If...?" concepts are always fun  DoctorWhat posted:In the Promised Land, Colin Baker is still the Doctor, and Pip and Jane and Micheal Grade never existed. Jerualem posted:It was an interesting timeline till that bloke with the giant chin and the bowtie showed up and "set things right". The show went on hiatus for a year and JNT called the BBC's bluff and left to produce other television. Realizing it would be madness to cancel their long-running show but not wanting to invest any more money in it, the BBC decided to "kill it with kindness" and hired an unknown member of BBC Wales' children's department to be the new showrunner, a man called Russell T Davies. It proved to be the show's saving grace, as RTD immediately made a welcome change and worked with Colin Baker to produce a costume change:
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Astroman posted:Or what if 7 had been there for the Trial of a Timelord? If Seven had been on trial, it would've ended with everyone else in the room being legally found guilty and executed.
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This is gonna be loooooong, so sorry if you hate giant walls of text - this will be the last one of these I make for quite some time though. I've reached the end of season 4, and though the year of Specials followed that before RTD's era ended, I've already written on those in the past so these are basically the last episodes of my entire revival rewatch, which by pure happy chance happened to end just a few days before season 8 begins. It feels appropriate, because The Stolen Earth/Journey's End is basically the RTD era turned up to 11 - a loud, colorful explosion of often nonsensical rubbish punctuated by absolutely superb moments of characterization and powerful emotional beats that overwhelm the often atrocious writing and clunky, almost condescending portrayal of the British middle and working class. It's an unabashed celebration of itself, RTD bringing together all the major recurring characters of the previous 4 seasons and jamming them together in ways that don't make much sense but which feels oddly cathartic and often very satisfying to watch. It does make me morbidly curious as to exactly what an RTD run Day of the Doctor would have been like, considering these episodes are what inspired the "RTD presents... SOMETHING HUGELY RETARDED" gif. Picking up where Turn Left ended, the Doctor and Donna return hurriedly to earth and are surprised to find that everything is fine. A milkman is doing his deliveries, the sun is in the sky, everything is fine. Moments later though everything kicks of and that's basically the last chance we get to breath across both episodes, as everything is a frenetic mess from that point on. The earth is "stolen", the TARDIS left behind with Donna and the Doctor inside, and we cut to the POVs of various former companions/family members looking to the sky and discovering 2 dozen+ planets now filling the sky. For a significant chunk of the episode the narrative switches between these companions as they try to figure out what is going on, while the Doctor takes Donna to the Shadow Proclamation in the hopes of figuring out what has happened. The inclusion of the Shadow Proclamation is symptomatic of the problems with these episodes - there is just too much going on, and in RTD's effort to include EVERYTHING nothing really gets a chance to develop or shine. The Shadow Proclamation has been namedropped throughout all 4 seasons going right back to the first goddamn episode, and when we finally get to see it, it is a gigantic let-down. Budgetary and time constraints mean that outside of an exterior model shot, the mysterious Shadow Proclamation is reduced to an odd looking albino lady and some Judoon in what looks like a local Government refurbished building. Previously the name was treated like it had some kind of compelling force, that it was something so entrenched across galactic society that simply speaking in their name would force the truth from an unwilling extra-terrestrial..... now they're just space cops. They could have been dropped from the story entirely and made little difference, the Doctor and Donna could have come to the conclusion to search for other missing planets and gotten to the same point without having to spend time bickering with the SP. The little piece where the spokeswoman declares she is taking possession of the TARDIS and commissioning the Doctor as a general to lead the galactic forces in battle is utterly wasted and treated like a joke by the Doctor who simply humors her then dematerializes as she shouts impotently after him - the Shadow Proclamation was a waste, unneeded in these episodes and wasting a lot of tremendous potential that had been built up. On Earth, Sarah Jane, Captain Jack, Martha Jones and Harriet Jones (no relation to Martha, she's the former Prime Minister if you didn't know who she was) get in contact while Rose is forced to watch, unable to communicate because Wilf doesn't have a webcam on his laptop (Sylvia wouldn't let him have one because they're "naughty"). This creates the rather fun turnaround of seeing Rose feeling jealous of Martha for a change. It turns out that Harriet Jones took steps before her fall from power to set up a system that would allow her to reach the Doctor if he wasn't present in a time of great global crisis... an idea that really makes little sense from a character point of view. Jones (thankfully) still stands by her decision to destroy the Sycorax, an independent decision that caused the Doctor to throw a tantrum back before the start of season 2.... and yet it seems the lesson she took from her determination that the Doctor wouldn't always be there to defend humanity was... to set up a system to make sure he could always be reached to come take care of their problems for them. It doesn't fit in with her independent mindset at all, even forgetting the utter nonsense of "a sentient software program that would seek out people connected to the Doctor" which is.... what the hell? Since when did 21st Century Earth have that kind of technology/software? Why are they only using it in this one particularly limited context? How did Harriet have time to set this up before the Doctor's whisper campaign brought down her Government? In this and many other aspects of the story I feel like RTD had an end-point in mind and then just fitted in events to get to that point whether they really made sense of not. After tracking the trail of the stolen Earth to the also oft-mentioned Medusa Cascade, the Doctor can't go any further. They got that far following the payoff to Donna's season long recurring comments on bees going missing, with the sudden revelation by the Doctor that some bees on earth are actually aliens (what?). Unable to figure out where to go next, the Doctor is left flummoxed until his phone rings, the subwave network having enabled a call to break through the 1 second universal descynchronization - it feels like a slight callback to the use of the Archangel Network in season 3. In contact with Martha, Jack and Sarah-Jane (Harriet Jones has been executed, Rose is still unable to get through and can only listen), the Doctor discovers what is going on, meets another old "friend" he really didn't want to talk with, and then lands on earth to join forces with the others. Jack abandons his Torchwood team only moments before their base is going to come under attack, promising he will come back for them when there is no reason he couldn't have taken them with him. Sarah-Jane leaves Luke behind (that makes sense at least) and heads out on the road, Martha teleports to Germany to do something incredibly retarded, and Rose is finally reunited with the Doctor. I can never quite tell if the moment of their reunion is being played completely straight or is deliberately poking fun at itself. Spotting each other, they race to embrace like something out of a bad commercial or rom-com. The music swells, the camera closes in on their beaming faces as they grow closer and closer... and then a loving Dalek pops out of the woodwork and blasts the Doctor off his feet! It's (probably) unintentionally hilarious, a moment of dismay and anguish for the viewers that just makes me laugh every time because it's just so goddamn earnest. Jack appears a moment later and blasts the Dalek, then helps get the Doctor into the TARDIS. Rose is freaking out, Donna doesn't understand what is about to happen, while Jack (no stranger to dying himself) takes charge and gets them clear. In a move that I recall left plenty of us in this forum gaping at the notion that they'd lied about Tennant getting at least one more year as the Doctor and that somehow they'd kept the casting choice for a new Doctor secret. Rose wails that it isn't fair that this is happening just as they were reunited, and then the Doctor regenerates as we cut to credits and NO next week trailer. Of course the next week, the Doctor proceeded to basically cheat, as he allows the regeneration to cure his dying body and then diverts the remaining energy into Chekov's severed hand, which has been bubbling away in the TARDIS control room since the end of season 3. There was a lot of disagreement in the years that followed whether this counted as a regeneration or not till Time of the Doctor explicitly stated that it did (I still say it shouldn't have, but I'm demonstrably wrong so  ), but whatever the case, the regeneration fake-out felt like a bit of a cop-out even if RTD had very carefully laid out all the elements well ahead of time instead of just pulling it out of his rear end. Taken onboard the Crucible, the Doctor and Rose are sent to the vault while Jack's body is disposed, believed to be dead, as is Donna who was inside the TARDIS as it was seemingly destroyed.The bad guys, of course, are the Daleks. Once again RTD takes the old familiar foe and jacks up the numbers to make the threat seem bigger. From a single Dalek menacing a billionaire's museum to half a million ready to wipe out the earth to millions threatening the earth upon release from a Time Lord prison to millions now preparing to wipe out reality itself (with the aberration being the awful 2-parter from season 3 with just four daleks and some confused robo-men). The threat of them is sold well in the reactions of the various companions upon hearing the cry of EXTERMINATE! being broadcast to the earth (not so much psychological warfare as Dalek hatred and the desperate need to feel superior), but they suffer from being sold big and then basically milling about upon arrival waiting for the plot to catch up to them. There are some awful scenes of them corralling prisoners, and a completely unnecessary scene where one family refuses to follow orders and go back into their house, and the Daleks execute the much dreaded ATTACK PLAN 7 which consists of.... three Daleks shooting a house with their blasters. Their effectiveness is in their menace, but after arriving the best use of them are in moments where they play the straight man in a comedy bit - "My vision is NOT impaired" or "DALEKS DO NOT ACCEPT APOLOGIES", or the Daleks shouting in German for instance. While the Supreme Dalek bellows and taunts the Doctor, the Daleks themselves are just kind of... there. The ultimate goal of their plan is horrifying, and there's no doubting their superiority when it comes to waging war, but mostly what we get to see is the awkward waiting around for stuff to happen. Trapped, the Doctor can only watch with horror everything unfolding. This includes his companions making valiant and well-intentioned efforts to save the day that further sell the claims that the Doctor's moral high horse is only possible because he turns people into weapons who do his fighting for him. Martha and the Osterhagan Key (that thing is so goddamn stupid  ), Sarah Jane and her Warp Star, Rose and Jack and Mickey carrying around their big guns... hell, even Jackie is armed when she first arrives on the scene. The accusation against the Doctor has some basis, but of course it ignores context and intent in favor of proving some kind of point, of dragging the Doctor down, relying on his sense of guilt and frustration to prevent him from thinking and coming up with solutions. "Luckily" there are two of him to do the thinking then!Extremely controversially, this story created the "Meta-Crisis Doctor". The severed hand now full of regeneration energy gets a spark of time-traveler Donna's temporal energy/DNA (like Rose and the Dalek in Dalek) and regrows an entirely new body. With the Doctor's mind but a human body, he is able to figure things out at the same time as the "real" Doctor and build a device to defeat the Daleks and then make an extremely dramatic and stunning entrance... and with that same sense of perhaps unintentional comedy his big moment posing bravely and angelically in the shining light of the TARDIS (Deus Ex Machina?) is interrupted when he gets blasted in the chest and knocked off his feet. Donna then rushes for the gun with that same sense of dramatic intensity and is also blasted off her feet, and the weapon then destroyed... and that's it, the bad guys win! The Reality Bomb (designed to wipe out not only all life in the universe but in ALL universes/timelines/realities, leaving NOTHING but Daleks behind) is primed and fired and the Doctor has nothing, no clever words or last second tricks, he can only stand there and watch, completely powerless. The countdown ends, the reality bomb is activated and..... nothing happens again. Why? Because of Donna. This section that followed is also pretty controversial, and I think it's something you can look at in two major ways. The first is that it's all utter bullshit and completely unearned technobabble nonsense in place of an actual resolution. Donna begins hitting switches and turning dials and just letting out a string of nonsensical techies-sounding phrases as she shuts down the Reality Bomb, cuts off the Daleks' weapons systems and even sends the Daleks careening around out of control and screaming for help. People have complained about how stupid it was to have a dial set up that controlled Dalek movement, saying the Daleks would never have allowed such a thing to happen, and that the entire ending is just RTD reaching the end of the script and basically writing,"Then Donna did some stuff that stopped the Daleks, yay!  ". I think this is a valid opinion, because it is somewhat true - the technobabble IS technobabble, the devices and controls are far too handy, and nothing was set up in advance to show that any of this stuff was actually feasible.But the OTHER way to look at it, and the way I personally prefer to view it, is that the technobabble is a tertiary factor and completely irrelevant because that isn't what the point of the scene is at all. The point is that the "awakened" Donna is capable of thinking in ways that nobody else can - not the Daleks or their creator or even the Doctor (he even flat out says this himself!). Of course there isn't a handy dial on a control panel that takes over the Dalek's body - but this "enhanced" Donna is somebody who can figure out how to use/combine/reimagine things to work in ways that nobody else ever considered. This is something that WAS carefully and almost painfully laid out across the course of the season, the idea that even as "just" a human, Donna was capable of seeing things in entirely unique ways beyond even a hyper-intellect like the Doctor's. When combined with the Meta-Crisis Doctor's knowledge, Donna's insight allows her to completely co-opt all the Daleks' carefully laid out plans, which leads to the long-standing tradition in the show of out-of-control and panicking Daleks being shoved around gleefully by companions while SHE takes control of the Doctor and the Meta-Crisis Doctor and gives them directions on what to do and how to do it. In amongst all of this has been the cackling Dalek Caan, last seen in the awful season 3 2-parter taking an emergency temporal shift. It turns out he went back into the Time War itself and somehow, some way (with the benefit of hindsight we could credit The Moment) managed to haul something back out with it. Caan has been "gifted" with prophecy, having looked into the untempered schism and (like the Doctor said could happen in season 3) gone completely loving mad. There is a line about Caan having meddled or manipulated with the timelines without actually explaining HOW that would have been possible, but Caan itself dismisses that by saying all this was destined to happen. That word destined is problematic in a show like Doctor Who that makes a point of anything being possible and seeing the future being no guarantee that it will come to pass. So much of what we see across season 4 is referenced as being fated, reverberating back through time and bringing itself to pass, which brings up questions about free will. With the day saved and all the planets except for earth returned, the Doctor (and RTD) indulges in some joyful celebration by towing the planet itself back into orbit around the sun using a comination of the TARDIS, Sarah Jane's super-computer, the Torchwood Rift and a welcome cameo by K9. The scene of the Doctor and his companions flying the TARDIS as a crew is a really lovely one, even if the blocking/editing caused one shot to annoy the hell out of a lot of people who took it as Martha breaking the fourth wall instead of smiling at the Meta-Crisis Doctor beside her. It's a perfect combination of sweeping music, characters/actors enjoying themselves immensely, and complete nonsense in the actual story... in other words, a perfect encapsulation of the RTD era. Back on earth, everybody goes their separate ways - Jack tries to convince Martha to join Torchwood (then she got offered a sport in Law & Order: UK and took that instead) and they're joined by Mickey who has decided to return to the original earth now that his grandmother has passed away peacefully and it's clear there is no possible future with Rose. Sarah-Jane hugs the Doctor goodbye again and rushes off to look after her son. Rose, meanwhile, is getting set up to plant herself firmly back in the TARDIS again and gets a rude awakening when the Doctor plants her back in the alternate earth. In what for me personally is probably the absolute worst misstep in RTD's entire run, the Meta-Crisis Doctor is exiled to the alternate earth to basically be Rose's stand-in boyfriend. It's a move that was probably applauded wildly by a significant portion of fans who were desperate for the Doctor and Rose to be a couple, RTD created a human version of the Doctor who will live with Rose, grow old with her, maybe have some kids or something and then die. The Doctor comments that the Meta-Crisis Doctor needs "fixing" like Rose helped fix him when he was the 9th Doctor (though with the benefit of hindsight it's probably visions of the War Doctor running through his head), and after he whispers something in her ear (I love you, probably) she gets the happy ending she didn't need and gets to wallow in the past instead of growing as a person. What really makes me sad is that the elegant and far more appropriate solution would have been to fobwatch Meta-Crisis Doctor into John Smith and taken him to Joan Redfern by way of apology for the heartbreak he put her through. The Doctor and Donna leave him behind, and Donna's mind immediately begins burning up because as a human with the knowledge of a Time Lord her mind can't deal with it. Why the Meta-Crisis Doctor is different is presumably down to his mind being originally Time Lord, but the episode makes a big point of painting them as being basically the same thing before giving one a happy ending and the other a far sadder one. Plenty has been written about Donna's fate, and while it is admittedly very sad I also think it's some of the best writing that RTD did, aided by Tate's excellent acting. Donna's horrified at the notion of what she knows MUST happen to her - not only the loss of her new knowledge, but also all the growth she has had during her travels with the Doctor. The deed done, the Doctor returns her home, where Sylvia finally stands up for her daughter when the Doctor tells her that Donna WAS the most important person in the world. She snaps that Donna still is, and Tennant gets just the right level of bite in his angry retort that maybe she should let Donna know that. Part of Donna's obvious inferiority complex is undoubtedly down to Sylvia's misunderstanding of her daughter and often belittling phrases (most clearly seen in Turn Left). That's part of why I like Donna's ending so much - she's still got all the potential and "special" qualities that attracted the Doctor to travel with her in the first place, and while she won't be leaping around time and space anymore she now has the support structure in place to help her grow into the type of person she can be. There was no need to go back to Donna after this story, and while it's nice that RTD decided to give her a happy ending of her own in The End of Time it also somewhat diluted the impact of the Doctor saying goodbye to her while she just disinterestedly waves him off because she no longer has any idea who he is. This has gotten far longer than I intended so I just have two more things to say. Having rewatched all of RTD's era, I do find his run to have been a mixed bag of the utterly wonderful and the mind-boggling terrible. What most impressed me about season 4 was the way he carefully set up precedents for many of the things that would happen in the finale, like the TARDIS reacting to Jenny existence BEFORE she existed in The Doctor's Daughter and then doing the same re: The Meta-Crisis Doctor. But across all four seasons and the year of specials there was an unusual mixture of the surprisingly subtle and the massively obvious. What stood out the most though was his weird fixation with representations of media and the "common man" - the repeated use of huddled families and concerned parents, the use of news and current affairs programs to translate the events of an episode to the people within that world. I found it almost condescending, even though I think it was meant in earnest by RTD, this oddly cliched idea of "how things really are" by somebody who is basing his representations on what he has seen in other television programs. Maybe I'm being a bit hard on him, but there was always an air of unreality to those scenes for me. RTD's era was a series of highlights and lowlights, a wild rollercoaster of a ride where one episode was some of the best television you would see that week, and the next episode was some of the worst teleivsion you'd see that year. I have to admit that I far prefer Moffat's era, it feels like a far more settled and structured show - I do imagine quite a few people miss the wild ride that was RTD's time in charge though. And finally I wanted to end on a highly positive note. I enjoy both episodes of the finale even though there are so many,"Hang on a goddamn second...." moments in it. But honestly almost none of what happens really matters whether high or low because for me these episodes are remembered for one thing and one thing alone - Davros. Julian Bleach plays the part incredibly well, aided by modern make-up effects and a properly fitted and designed mask that mean he doesn't have to fight for his performance in the way that Michael Wisher, David Gooderson and Terry Molloy had to. While they gave away his return with a magazine cover before The Stolen Earth aired, and it's painfully obvious who he is to classic fans during all his shadowy scenes.... the reveal when he appears on the Subwave Network and greets the Doctor is absolutely incredible. Bleach inhabits the character admirably, you really believe that this is the same Davros who fought the Doctor during the 70s and 80s, and the moment when he and Sarah Jane meet again is just beautiful. Brilliant, arrogant, utterly insane and, of course, already betrayed by his own creations, Davros looms large across the 2-parter and his final furious condemnation of the Doctor and spiteful decision to stay and die rather than be saved by him is just perfect. He's too good not to return, and I would love to see him in the show again - RTD did a good job with the Daleks, an okay job with the Cybermen, a mixed bag with the Master and a great job with the Sontarans.... but when it came to Davros he knocked it out of the park. Watch The Stolen Earth/Journey's End as a capstone to season 4 or the RTD (regular) era as a whole. Watch it for Donna's wonderfully bittersweet ending. Watch it to get furious at Rose and Dildo-Doctor. But most of all, watch it to see Davros, because goddamn! Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Aug 21, 2014 |
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Aug 21, 2014 08:59
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Jerusalem posted:Tennant: Jon, can you do a Joe Ahearne impersonation? Culshaw's done Eccleston before. Have you seen the Dead Ringers sketch which reveals the real reason Eccleston only did one season?
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Jerusalem, I've really enjoyed your in-hindsight rewatches, and think it's a shame you're stopping here. I don't *think* I ever read your Year of Specials rewatches, it'd be great to see them republished. And please consider this one vote for you to do the same with Eleven. These reviews really deserve to appear on the thread's front page, IMO. Either way - thanks for the ride!
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The unreality of normal life in RTD's run occurred to me too, in a different way. I've mentioned a couple times before that my Asperger's caused issues for me watching the show growing up (like School Reunion only really 'working' for me because of K-9), and the slightly off portrayal of regular people was something I missed. It's a fairly understandable criticism to miss in that context, because that all looked right to me. What I did notice is that you can see that RTD's filming is fairly conventional for television. When episodes take place in a mundane environment like a suburban street, Jackie's flat, or the school in School Reunion, it did look like standard British drama as I understood it, which always did have a slightly fake taste to me. That feeling goes away when action happens or when they're in more interesting locales, but in the familiar it very much has that slight but noticeable artificiality to it. That's not even something I consciously thought about until I got to Moffat's era, who I think tries to be more realistic and arguably movie-like in his shooting. That might also be an evolution of TV programming, which stepped up considerably around that same time. I might also be talking out of my rear end, or saying something everyone already knows, but, duck it. That's my observations.
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Metal Loaf posted:Culshaw's done Eccleston before. Have you seen the Dead Ringers sketch which reveals the real reason Eccleston only did one season? Not sure if this has been posted before, but it's good fun. Tom Baker interviews Tom Baker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9zWuklil8g
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It's been a while since we've done this. New weekly thread! http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3659405
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So I rewatched "City of Death" for the first time in about 7 years (I had a friend over and he said "Show me the best Doctor Who you've got." and it was either that or Spearhead From Space), and having watched nearly all of the first Doctor's run now I love that it could easily be implied that Richard the Lionheart in "The Crusade" could easily also be Scaroth.
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EddieDean posted:Jerusalem, I've really enjoyed your in-hindsight rewatches, and think it's a shame you're stopping here. I don't *think* I ever read your Year of Specials rewatches, it'd be great to see them republished. And please consider this one vote for you to do the same with Eleven. I actually did a full rewatch/write-up of Smith's entire run before I did the RTD era, so I've been doing it backwards basically. I guess maybe I'll make a post in the new thread indexing them all when the season is over and we have to wait around again for new episodes, but really in general the idea was for me to gather my own thoughts on particular episodes as well as hopefully generate some discussion on some of the successes, failures, perceived themes etc around various episodes/seasons/eras of the revival. The next 3 months or so are going to be pretty full up with discussion of season 8 on a weekly basis, so there'll probably be little room for that type of thing outside of audio stuff.
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Aug 21, 2014 11:59
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Finally finished Name/Day/Time a few days ago and ready for the new Doctor. I have immensely enjoyed the entirety of the relaunched series, all four doctors(hurt counts) and every companion. 
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Aug 21, 2014 12:14
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Guys guys guys. Guys. We may have a problem. I think Capaldi's going to regenerate after one season. 
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Chokes McGee posted:Guys guys guys. Guys. We may have a problem. Nah, nothing that some carrot juice and a vigorous bike ride won’t clear up!
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Aug 21, 2014 15:28
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No no no, the only cure is the milk of the Queen Ebola Bat.
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If a little celery can't fix it, there's always that bizarre sequence from the Agatha Christie episode in which Ten expels the poison.
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Aug 21, 2014 16:14
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What are you people talking about. The answer is fishfingers and custard 
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Bicyclops posted:If a little celery can't fix it, there's always that bizarre sequence from the Agatha Christie episode in which Ten expels the poison. Or the bizarre sequence from Smith and Jones in which Ten expels the radiation
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Aug 21, 2014 16:22
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FreezingInferno posted:Longer than you think, Doctor! Longer than you think! AW SUNNOVBICH! For real though I get nightmares about this happening to my daughter. What kind of scientists wouldn't make sure they were asleep first!
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Aug 21, 2014 16:47
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Bicyclops posted:If a little celery can't fix it, there's always that bizarre sequence from the Agatha Christie episode in which Ten expels the poison. That's a fantastic sequence. It's actually really really great and so is that episode and the hate for it has never quite made sense to me. I mean, its biggest flaws are that it isn't Christie enough and that Christie herself is somewhat sidelined, but what-it-could-have-been, in my opinion, can't be the only basis for critique.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Or the bizarre sequence from Smith and Jones in which Ten expels the radiation It's true, Ten was particularly good at expelling things. His hand. The Master's age lasers by way of wishes and dreams. He was an expeller, that Tennant. edit: That it isn't Christie enough is exactly why it wasn't very good, in my opinion. She's very easy to mimic, is a hallmark of the genre, and a monster-of-the-week with a Christie mystery would have been really, really fun, but they didn't do it. I want my Doctor Who as Hercule Poirot episode and now I can never have it! Bicyclops fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Aug 21, 2014 |
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Aug 21, 2014 16:52
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Let's all abandon this thread for the Deep Breath one, things are getting a bit out of hand.
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DoctorWhat posted:Let's all abandon this thread for the Zero Room, things are getting a bit out of hand.
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DoctorWhat posted:That's a fantastic sequence. It's actually really really great and so is that episode and the hate for it has never quite made sense to me. It's also a horrendous mess of editing and poor direction, one of the worst in the revival. The fact it takes place in season 4 when the show was so well established and in its groove just makes that stand out even more.
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So. I haven't watched Who in years. I was one of those people who really, really did not like River Song, and season 6 more or less killed me. But I loved Capaldi in TToI and Occupation's hatewatch thread got me thinking about the show again, so I thought it might be fun to get back into the groove. Sat down to watch Day of the Doctor, and- holy loving poo poo. The effects in this. Are. Ludicrous. How the hell did they afford this? Did the Beeb mortgage the Home Counties or what? (Also: John Hurt's only been on screen for half a second but he's already rocking it.  )(Also also: is it just me or is Night of the Doctor six straight minutes of wall to wall exposition? The actors work the poo poo out of it, but still.)
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Aug 21, 2014 23:57
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Autonomous Monster posted:(Also also: is it just me or is Night of the Doctor six straight minutes of wall to wall exposition? The actors work the poo poo out of it, but still.) I like to think of Night as the first six minutes of Day. But yeah, they had to remind people who the hell Paul McGann is/was and introduce the War Doctor in the process.
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Aug 22, 2014 00:07
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Autonomous Monster posted:(Also also: is it just me or is Night of the Doctor six straight minutes of wall to wall exposition? The actors work the poo poo out of it, but still.) There's a lot about this post that could be discussed, and I suggest migrating to the New Thread, but anyway this bit of your post made me realize something: Night of the Doctor is structured as a Big Finish Audio that got filmed.
It's a Paul McGann story, and Paul McGann stories are audio stories. It's  CobiWann posted:I like to think of Night as the first six minutes of Day. But yeah, they had to remind people who the hell Paul McGann is/was and introduce the War Doctor in the process. On Christmas 2013, BBC America did, in fact, broadcast Night ON AMERICAN TELEVISION as the first 6 minutes of Day
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Aug 22, 2014 00:20
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“I have absolutely no idea what any of this means, represents or stands for. I know only shame.” http://t.co/rkU6Hpkizz
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Aug 22, 2014 17:42
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Cerv posted:“I have absolutely no idea what any of this means, represents or stands for. I know only shame.” http://t.co/rkU6Hpkizz ABANDON THREAD ABORT ABORT ABORT
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Aug 22, 2014 23:35
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Mo0 posted:ABANDON THREAD Nuke the thread from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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Aug 22, 2014 23:37
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DoctorWhat posted:Nuke the thread from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. Lock the thread? If I had such power... to know that the tiniest pressure of my finger- enough to click the button- would end everything? I would do it! SUCH POWER WOULD RAISE ME UP ABOVE THE GODS! (For the love of god, lock it.)
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Aug 22, 2014 23:44
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REVERSE THE POLARITY!
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Aug 22, 2014 23:45
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I don't know what y'all are on about, the whole article is worth it for this masterpiece: "I have absolutely no idea what any of this means, represents or stands for. I know only shame."
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Aug 22, 2014 23:49
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armoredgorilla posted:I don't know what y'all are on about, the whole article is worth it for this masterpiece: 
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Aug 22, 2014 23:50
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Cerv posted:“I have absolutely no idea what any of this means, represents or stands for. I know only shame.” http://t.co/rkU6Hpkizz From the reactions in this thread I expected far worse. I had a good chuckle.
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Aug 23, 2014 00:12
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princess-doctor correspondance seems entirely random (the doctor they draw with the palest skin and whitest hair goes to... Tiana?) and the resulting suitdresses are stupider than jrpg beltzipper dresses. And the art sucks.
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Aug 23, 2014 00:15
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I don't think the artist knows much about either the Doctor or the princesses-- or drawing.
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Aug 23, 2014 00:19
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One of the lower-effort genderswap art projects sadly. But I might have forgiven it had there been an attempt at one Mme. Coleen Baker.
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Aug 23, 2014 00:20
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After The War posted:One of the lower-effort genderswap art projects sadly. But I might have forgiven it had there been an attempt at one Mme. Coleen Baker. Well, they say straight up in the article that he had free time so they made him do a stupid project. It's not really fanart so much as it is torturing an artist, so it gets extra points from me. God forbid I ever have a creative child, I won't know what to do.
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Aug 23, 2014 00:29
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DoctorWhat posted:Nuke the thread from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. A hologram in the form of Peter Capaldi appears to talk Doctor What out of it. 15 minutes later he says, "Ehn, gently caress it." and hits the button himself.
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Aug 23, 2014 00:51
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