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Around the time of the first Wrestlemania and its follow-ups Albano was a face.
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EugeneJ posted:Liz was heel the last half of her career. And then he become Mr Dot Com and turned heel.
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Sep 7, 2014 17:25
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Gedo's doing a real good job of being a face manager for Okada right now.
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Sep 7, 2014 17:25
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projecthalaxy posted:Has there ever been a really amazing/legendary face manager? I was thinking of this and all the all-time great managers I can picture (Heyman, Heenan, Cornette, Blassie, and so on) almost always were heels, or were their best as heels. The biggest I can think of that I 100% identify as a face would be Miss Elizabeth. Wasn't Albano usually a heel? Paul Bearer was just as good speaking for a face Undertaker as a heel. But the alignment tree of Taker/Kane/Bearer is so tangled, it's hard to think of any of them as more heel or face.
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Sep 7, 2014 17:41
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projecthalaxy posted:Has there ever been a really amazing/legendary face manager? I was thinking of this and all the all-time great managers I can picture (Heyman, Heenan, Cornette, Blassie, and so on) almost always were heels, or were their best as heels. The biggest I can think of that I 100% identify as a face would be Miss Elizabeth. Wasn't Albano usually a heel? Watching Jimmy Hart as a face manager for Hogan's early WCW run was really weird. Doesn't really fit as I wouldn't call it amazing/legendary -- just weird.
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Sep 7, 2014 18:04
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Maxwell Lord posted:Around the time of the first Wrestlemania and its follow-ups Albano was a face. If i recall he was turned face after appearing in that Goonies music video, right?
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Sep 7, 2014 20:28
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I seem to vaguely recall Heyman cutting face promos for Sabu against Cactus Jack (?) at some point
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Sep 7, 2014 20:38
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What's the Kliq Denny's story again? I heard the gist on a podcast but I can't remember if the full story is on a Nash shoot or a Sean Waltman shoot.
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Sep 7, 2014 20:44
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Watching WCW Nitro with my wife, and she never heard of Stevie Ray from Harlem Heat. What happened to him. She said it's weird because when you have a famous sibling, they can usually drag their brother along with them. Did Stevie just get out of the business, or did WWE not have any interest?
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Sep 7, 2014 21:54
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iirc he retired near WCW's end but also his singles career just kinda went nowhere because he was much, much less talented than Booker T
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Sep 7, 2014 22:10
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Cardboard Box posted:iirc he retired near WCW's end but also his singles career just kinda went nowhere because he was much, much less talented than Booker T He had a bunch of neck and back issues too, and for the last few years of his career he wasn't ever really healthy.
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Sep 7, 2014 22:12
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I believe he became a trainer for the wwe? Even so 'fruit booties', who can forget that insult.
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Sep 7, 2014 23:24
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ColeM posted:I believe he became a trainer for the wwe? Even so 'fruit booties', who can forget that insult. I believe he started a wrestling school with Booker, which was one of the places where WWE sent dudes to make them slightly less terrible (ie. The Boogeyman) before NXT and FCW was a thing. I still think he's involved in the Reality of Wrestling fed the school turned into.
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Sep 7, 2014 23:32
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ColeM posted:I believe he became a trainer for the wwe? Even so 'fruit booties', who can forget that insult. He opened a school with Booker T at least. WCW tried to make him a commentator but he was about as bad as Mongo at that.
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Sep 7, 2014 23:32
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Have there ever been instances of a wrestler straight up beating up the ref during a match?
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Sep 8, 2014 02:36
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projecthalaxy posted:Has there ever been a really amazing/legendary face manager? I was thinking of this and all the all-time great managers I can picture (Heyman, Heenan, Cornette, Blassie, and so on) almost always were heels, or were their best as heels. The biggest I can think of that I 100% identify as a face would be Miss Elizabeth. Wasn't Albano usually a heel? Arnold Skaaland is the closest I can come to thinking of one, though I don't know if he was 'legendary.' I only knew of him from Aptermags, and not a single word after he tossed in the towel in Backlund's loss to the Iron Sheik.
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Sep 8, 2014 02:36
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EugeneJ posted:In WWE I remember Bret flying through a table in some match I love the kids running up to the railing at the end of this clip like they just can't process what they've seen.
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Sep 8, 2014 03:16
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BigRed0427 posted:Have there ever been instances of a wrestler straight up beating up the ref during a match? Speaking of promos, I have read about a brief gimmick that Jack Victory did for WCW after the New Zealand Special Forces broke up; he was "Secret Service" Jack Victory. I know that he talked about enjoying it in shoot interviews, and that it was included in one of the old Wrestlecrap compilations, but I can't find it now. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Sep 8, 2014 |
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Sep 8, 2014 03:24
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Thauros posted:Gedo's doing a real good job of being a face manager for Okada right now. They were heel-ish to tweener up until this May or April anyways. Not exactly the classic baby face shtick, even like Tanahashi does.
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Sep 8, 2014 08:23
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Was there ever any talk about what was planned to happen with the Taker/Punk feud if Paul Bearer hadn't died? Was it just going to be a straight up feud where Taker didn't take a punk kid seriously or what? I highly doubt they'd have had Punk break the streak otherwise, but I can't imagine what was actually planned.
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Sep 8, 2014 08:45
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Halloween Jack posted:If I remember right, I believe the Masked Assassin turned face and sort-of revealed his identity when some other wrestlers really laid into his son (Nick Patrick) after a match. I wish I could find that promo now; it was great. IIRC, he was a bodyguard for Paul E. Dangerously.
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Sep 8, 2014 15:17
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sticklefifer posted:Was there ever any talk about what was planned to happen with the Taker/Punk feud if Paul Bearer hadn't died? Was it just going to be a straight up feud where Taker didn't take a punk kid seriously or what? I highly doubt they'd have had Punk break the streak otherwise, but I can't imagine what was actually planned. "The one in twenty and one" makes a lot more sense than "The one in twenty-one and one" they went with.
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Sep 8, 2014 15:42
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BigRed0427 posted:Have there ever been instances of a wrestler straight up beating up the ref during a match? Scott Hall during his Fall Brawl 1997 with Savage against Luger/DDP. Beats up and KOs Nick Patrick and then stomps Mickey Jay in the head when he comes out to replace him. This led to Larry Zybysko decrying how the nWo makes their own rules and how we can't trust them, followed by him walking to the ring and counting a pinfall as an unsanctioned referee. And the entire Larry Legend/Scott Hall feud. Ugh.
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Sep 8, 2014 16:01
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Austin and HBK both beat up refs in the 97 KOTR match.
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Sep 8, 2014 16:02
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harperdc posted:They were heel-ish to tweener up until this May or April anyways. Not exactly the classic baby face shtick, even like Tanahashi does. That's what I love about NJPW, CHAOS's turn from heel to tweener last year and tweener to basically full on face this year was handled gradually and organically without just turning them into Tanahashi clones. Loved Gedo's work during the main event and especially the post match on Friday's Korakuen show for example. I really think he helped the crowd buy into YOSHI-HASHI. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2...-fale-doc_sport The match itself is worth watching, but people shouldnat least check out his post match promo (includes insulting the BC in English)
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Sep 8, 2014 18:23
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oldskool posted:"The one in twenty and one" makes a lot more sense than "The one in twenty-one and one" they went with. Although technically, Heyman is also behind the one in 21 too.
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Sep 8, 2014 18:34
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In IYH Ground Zero Undertaker and HBK demolished all but one of the refs in the roster, and that one ref called for the bell for a no contest. Then most of the wrestlers came out to break the two up, to which they all got laid out with a Taker Dive.
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Sep 8, 2014 18:40
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sticklefifer posted:Although technically, Heyman is also behind the one in 21 too. Paul Heyman is the one behind the one who conquered the one who thought he was the one to beat the one in "twenty-one and one."
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Sep 8, 2014 18:51
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The young bucks attack the ref all the time, sometimes even before the bell
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Sep 8, 2014 19:10
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So, World War 3 '95 has the infamous "The Internet got the scoops brother" promo from Hogan. He has his dig at Meltzer where he said that The Giant was going to win the tournament. Does anyone know if Giant was actually supposed to win it? Because they do that thing where Macho Man had an injured arm but doesn't really have an injured arm and they 'tricked' everyone which seems like a very last minute thing to reveal.
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Sep 8, 2014 19:17
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DrVenkman posted:So, World War 3 '95 has the infamous "The Internet got the scoops brother" promo from Hogan. He has his dig at Meltzer where he said that The Giant was going to win the tournament. Does anyone know if Giant was actually supposed to win it? Because they do that thing where Macho Man had an injured arm but doesn't really have an injured arm and they 'tricked' everyone which seems like a very last minute thing to reveal. I'm pretty sure Macho actually did have an injured arm too haha
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Sep 8, 2014 19:37
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DrVenkman posted:So, World War 3 '95 has the infamous "The Internet got the scoops brother" promo from Hogan. He has his dig at Meltzer where he said that The Giant was going to win the tournament. Does anyone know if Giant was actually supposed to win it? Because they do that thing where Macho Man had an injured arm but doesn't really have an injured arm and they 'tricked' everyone which seems like a very last minute thing to reveal. Giant was supposed to win until they changed everything up a few weeks prior, which was reported in the Observer too!
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Sep 8, 2014 19:39
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I'm watching an interview with Kevin Sullivan and he's talking about an angle where Hogan and Miss Elizabeth were together and Savage and Linda Bollea were together in 1996. Sullivan suspected that Hogan and Linda were trying to get Savage and Elizabeth set up again while commenting on how paranoid Savage was at the time. When did it become general knowledge how bad Savage treated Miss Elizabeth?
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Sep 8, 2014 22:00
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Luigi Thirty posted:I'm watching an interview with Kevin Sullivan and he's talking about an angle where Hogan and Miss Elizabeth were together and Savage and Linda Bollea were together in 1996. Sullivan suspected that Hogan and Linda were trying to get Savage and Elizabeth set up again while commenting on how paranoid Savage was at the time. When did it become general knowledge how bad Savage treated Miss Elizabeth? I think they knew pretty early on. It was 'observed' that Savage was overly protective of Elizabeth. By overly protective I mean constantly paranoid that people were going to take her away. Hell they even worked it in to stories where he would never let her speak, which by all accounts wasn't that far from the truth. But hey, it was ignored when you're talent.
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Sep 8, 2014 22:45
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I vaguely recall a very brief storyline in which a main event face had failed to take the title away from some heel in a position of great power, and as a result for losing, was busted all the way back down the card, to jobber status. He probably didn't actually job to anyone, but he had his theme music and pyro taken away.. Any idea what I'm actually thinking about?
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Sep 8, 2014 22:56
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Tyma posted:I vaguely recall a very brief storyline in which a main event face had failed to take the title away from some heel in a position of great power, and as a result for losing, was busted all the way back down the card, to jobber status. Didn't they do that to Austin?
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Sep 8, 2014 23:05
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It kind of sounds like when Booker T lost his music and his pyro and the letter T (really) to Stevie Ray.
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Sep 8, 2014 23:06
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Tyma posted:I vaguely recall a very brief storyline in which a main event face had failed to take the title away from some heel in a position of great power, and as a result for losing, was busted all the way back down the card, to jobber status. MVP?
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Sep 8, 2014 23:08
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Tyma posted:I vaguely recall a very brief storyline in which a main event face had failed to take the title away from some heel in a position of great power, and as a result for losing, was busted all the way back down the card, to jobber status. HHH did that to Rock for like... a week in 2000. He said he had to fight his way back up the card and made him face the Brawler or something like that. Didn't take away his music though.
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Tyma posted:I vaguely recall a very brief storyline in which a main event face had failed to take the title away from some heel in a position of great power, and as a result for losing, was busted all the way back down the card, to jobber status. Everyone who's ever lost to Cena, greatest heel in WWE.
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