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Pimpmust posted:The snipers did manage to spot a bunch of armor and infantry up north, and the direction they are heading, so not wasted exactly. The Snipers are merely waiting for the tanks to get close. Once they get close enough, its time to board them, kill the crew and take them as a prize!
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I wonder how tired the Soviet infantry are going to be by the time they actually get stuck in with the Germans. From the click-through Grey Hunter just did a number of their units are already Tiring and are still quite a ways away.
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They're impatient to see action. This map is actual kilometers across and dudes walking aren't gonna cross that in thirteen minutes, so they're probably using a little more jogging and sprinting than is strictly healthy. Could be a nasty setback if the tanks can't make some holes. Though honestly, having a German victory to match the Soviet win might be good for long-term campaign health. It'll make people feel like either side has a shot.
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And then it all kicks off....     Those snipers....
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Grey in the soviet video when you do a close up on the tank it is just a black screen, then it pops back to normal at about 3:05.
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Sep 13, 2014 15:43
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Are they holding their loving binoculars backwards, or what?
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I think the Soviets came out ahead in that trade, despite the survivors of the Panther dismounting and possibly recrewing it in the future. Point-for-point the Germans are down more for the crucial near future, and an important anti-tank gun covering that approach. Considering the impending attack there's not a whole lot time to recrew the panther either before it may be overrun/destroyed.
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dtkozl posted:Grey in the soviet video when you do a close up on the tank it is just a black screen, then it pops back to normal at about 3:05. Confirming this. From the 2:19 mark to 3:08 there's sound but no picture.
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Yeah, with the Soviets moving their southern armor up in the next turn that uncrewed Panther is going to be under their guns and the southern approach locked down if any German armor tried to move up. The Germans have effectively lost Bitcoin Exchange, it's just a matter of how long their infantry and artillery can delay the Soviet stream crossing.
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The germans have to kill more than 2 soviet tanks per loss if they want to win this map. I don't think grey looked at the systems damage either, that tank could very well be useless even if they get to recrew it. Tank combat in this game can be tricky because you got to be hyper aware of how best to use german armor to really get the most out of them. They have much better optics and can reliably kill from much farther away than allied tanks, but it looks like the germans going for short range ambushes. If you are willing to take a few casulties it is pretty easy to just rush them at that point. Those optics also only work in game when the weather is clear and the time is generally mid day, so depending on the conditions grey set they might not even get the benefit.
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Things are slotting into place for the Soviets to tie down the main defence line and then smash it from the north. If they can get together the requisite coordination. They seem to be aware of this too. That trade of a T34-85 for a Panther is an excellent deal.
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I'm really hoping the German side pulls off their plan with the smoke grenades, though I don't know how likely it is. It'll be fun to watch either way.
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Log082 posted:I'm really hoping the German side pulls off their plan with the smoke grenades, though I don't know how likely it is. It'll be fun to watch either way. Yeah either way that's going to be quite a situation. I almost hope it works as it'll be blindingly obvious (right?) on the soviet side but still confounding.
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Sep 15, 2014 15:34
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Grey what do you use to record turns? A guy I'm playing wants to know what program is best.
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I'm really hoping the German panther rescue works, they get the tank...only to find that its gun is busted.
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Sep 16, 2014 02:31
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Soviet commanders seem to be estimating they'll need another 10 minutes to get into position to begin their attack, meaning that attack won't jump off until around 30 minutes has passed.
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dtkozl posted:Grey what do you use to record turns? A guy I'm playing wants to know what program is best. Fraps, with audacity to record the voice overs, as CM has no audio controls so I have to do it in post production.
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Also, having run the turns. You know how someone was asking if airstrikes can target the other side? He he he.
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Grey Hunter posted:Also, having run the turns. Yesssssssssssssssssssss. TBH, the Germans look like they need all the help they can get.
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Grey Hunter posted:Also, having run the turns. Splendid. Gonna be a delightful time in the Russian thread tomorrow! EDIT: An apt question from the German Thread: Arbite posted:Wait, did anyone take into account their omnipresent air-power? Apparently the Russians didn't!
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GenericServices posted:Apparently the Russians didn't! It does seem to have the Germans really paranoid considering most of the planes are just strafing planes, so I imagine the planes are more than worth it since it's making the Germans so hesitant to move. Was the Panther <-> T-34 mutual obliteration all that likely? I didn't think a T-34 on the move would have that good of a chance of both spotting and hitting for an effective kill, and the panther wasn't completely out in the open, but was spotted by some allied unit.
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The T-34 came up the crest of the hill spotted and then stopped to take the shot. It was a matter of seconds too.
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Pervis posted:It does seem to have the Germans really paranoid considering most of the planes are just strafing planes, so I imagine the planes are more than worth it since it's making the Germans so hesitant to move. Yeah, it was a pretty unlikely way for things to play out. Usually the T-34's 85mm cannon would have a whole lot of trouble penetrating a panther from the front even under ideal circumstances, especially against the thick and heavily angled hull. Managing that despite being on the move before the panther could take it out was a lucky break for the russians.
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Pervis posted:It does seem to have the Germans really paranoid considering most of the planes are just strafing planes, so I imagine the planes are more than worth it since it's making the Germans so hesitant to move. They bought at least one heavier airstrike, I'll laugh if the reason airpower was so cheap was because it is actively detrimental in this game and blows up a russian tank.
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The soviets are pretty lucky that Panther crew bailed out when they did, those things can take a stupid amount of damage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEOg4m_sLVo
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Weren't those T-34s the old typ with the 57mm cannon? Yeah, those aren't gonna do too hot even up close from the front. As we saw in the video, a Panther vs the 85mm T-34 goes down pretty easily.
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The russians ought to get a FO up on that spotting position and shell the hell out of that king tiger. It'll confuse the germans a lot and possibly make it move just in time for a bombing run.
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So the platoon leader was killed by that strafing run. Now that I'm finished laughing, how will this affect the platoon's performance?
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It wasn't the bomb hit on an IS-2 I've been hoping for, but that strafing run was a fine consolation prize! Now if the Soviets would be kind enough to start their armored push, we can get the mayhem rolling properly.
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Pimpmust posted:Weren't those T-34s the old typ with the 57mm cannon? Yeah, those aren't gonna do too hot even up close from the front. It's a 76mm cannon on those older models, but yes, the 85mm gun has much better ballistics and the tank itself benefited greatly from the enlarged turret required to carry it.
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The Casualty posted:It's a 76mm cannon on those older models, but yes, the 85mm gun has much better ballistics and the tank itself benefited greatly from the enlarged turret required to carry it. I meant this version, with the 57mm gun: http://www.flamesofwar.com/Portals/0/all_images/weapons/T-34-hist-1942-4.jpg e: Or were they the long-barreled ones, were there short-barreled 57mm variants?  http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120813141623/fhsw/images/a/a9/T3457.jpg
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I'm familiar with Ensign Expendable's blog on Eastern front and I recall reading about t-34s being equipped with 57mm guns. They were actually very powerful, with insane penetration when equipped with the right ammo. But they were very rare and saw very little action.
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Pimpmust posted:I meant this version, with the 57mm gun: Huh, you learn something new every day. I'd never even heard of this variant. According to wikipedia it was exceptionally rare, less than 350 out of a wartime production run of 57,000+ T-34s.
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Yeah, but it does show up in War Thunder Ground Forces / World of Tanks  To be fair I think it actually had higher penetration than the 76mm variant, and faster fire-rate? Crappier against everything not-armor though.
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The T-34/57 was a prototype with a 57mm high velocity gun that gave much greater penetration over all ranges than the 76mm. Small numbers were produced but it never went into full production due to the poor high explosive performance of the 57mm. The Russians wanted a gun that was also useful against fortifications and dug in infantry.
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cokerpilot posted:Wait... Is Fangz running the Russians? Yes, he is. I suppose that obligates me to take the lead next game.
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The Sandman posted:Yes, he is. ... Right I start packing up the command office.
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