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Marxalot posted:I don't think the WRs are supposed to be that maintenance heavy, but someone else needs to chime in on that. There are four WR450 SuMo's in my group. Two belong to one guy (both 2012+ EFI models). One has a bad valve due to the PO, but the other three are bombproof. I rode the pre-EFI model that belonged to one guy and it was strong as hell and he really doesn't do much more maintenance than I do. I think parts just wear out a bit faster. The extra power would be nice, but it's not enough for me to want to go and get a new bike at this point.
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Radbot posted:Didn't the Motoventuring girls have a DRZ poo poo the bed? Sometimes they do break down, like all mechanical devices
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Sometimes they do break down, like all mechanical devices Yeah, thanks. I brought it up because he mentioned the DRZ can go at highway speeds all day long, and that's what the Motoventuring women suspected brought their bike down.
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You can highway cruise a Husky 610/630 or KTM 690 as long as your body lasts. They have the same ergo and plank issues as the other SMs but the 690 doesnt care if you do 55 or 80, the engine has a good rev range and gearing for it. My least favorite thing about my DRZ was its highway gearing. Yeah, it'll do it without hurting the engine but it doesn't sound happy and it doesn't make me happy. Kinda like buzzing along at high speeds on a stock geared Ninja 250. It'll do it, but both rider and bike can feel that it doesn't really want to. The DRZ was a joy on 50 MPH roads, but 65-70 on the freeway was not a sweet spot. You can fix that with gearing, but sacrifice what little whallop there is down low to do it. I hope that Suzuki refreshes it someday and if they only change two things, give it FI (Figure they'll probably have to for emissions eventually) and give it a 6th gear. A better gauge would be nice too. Though the ruggedness of the stock one is nice. End of the story is if you're buying a DRZ or smaller Supermoto for frequent freeway cruising you screwed up. They're perfect 2nd bikes, or great only bikes if you are willing to sacrifice the high speed stuff for tsunamis of fun below 40 MPH.
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I'm astounded that the DRZ still has no EFI. Suzuki are like the GM of motorbikes. Except they don't suck.
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Slavvy posted:I'm astounded that the DRZ still has no EFI. Suzuki are like the GM of motorbikes. Except they don't suck. Except for some very minor fixes I don't think the bike has changed at all since it was released sometime in the early 2000s.
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The sm obviously has some newer technology, but yeah the engines have been the same since day 1. On the subject of drz's, I think I have become old. I put the stock exhaust back on the drz and I rather like the super quiet stealth mode of the stocker Slavvy posted:I'm astounded that the DRZ still has no EFI. Suzuki are like the GM of motorbikes. Except they don't suck. All of the Japanese manufacturers are backwards in some way. They all still have carbed bikes in their lineup. Some still have drum brakes. Steel frames, etc etc etc. For the most part though the design decisions make sense, other than drum brakes, those never make sense in tyool 2014 Beve Stuscemi fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Sep 13, 2014 |
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:I put the stock exhaust back on the drz and I rather like the super quiet stealth mode of the stocker Stock exhaust on SuMo's for life. Last thing I need is to call a bunch of attention to the dumb poo poo I'm doing in this vacantish lot over here.
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1 week away from a tour around the west on my buell. I should cross 62k miles by the time I get home. A little over a year ago I rolled 50k in the Bonneville salt flats, that was pretty cool. What is going to break? Whoever guesses correctly gets the old broken part.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:The sm obviously has some newer technology, but yeah the engines have been the same since day 1. Steel frames aren't worse or more primitive, just different. But you're right. I single out suzuki only because of the sheer lovely not-giving-a-fuckness of their designs; everyone else at least makes an effort to try to look presentable. clutchpuck posted:1 week away from a tour around the west on my buell. I should cross 62k miles by the time I get home. A little over a year ago I rolled 50k in the Bonneville salt flats, that was pretty cool. I doubt you'd send an entire primary drive all the way to NZ 
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I'll go with the safe bet and say the belt, I don't want it, though.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:
Lots of bikes sell enough to warrant still making them but not enough to spend the money to do a proper update. The SV650 is still on sale in Britian because Suzuki cannot afford the money and/or time to make a faired version of the Gladius and it still sells enough to keep it on the books. The GSXR's suck up so development time and money it has kept Suzuki behind Honda and slipping behind Kawasaki. Plus what is old tech for North America/Europe is cheap and easy enough to fix for SE Asia, Africa and Latin America so sells very well. Why make something more complicated and expensive in such price dominated market
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clutchpuck posted:1 week away from a tour around the west on my buell. I should cross 62k miles by the time I get home. A little over a year ago I rolled 50k in the Bonneville salt flats, that was pretty cool. Going with something electrical.
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clutchpuck posted:1 week away from a tour around the west on my buell. I should cross 62k miles by the time I get home. A little over a year ago I rolled 50k in the Bonneville salt flats, that was pretty cool. I really hope it doesn't but I'll go with one of the crankshaft bearings. Do I get the whole bike if that happens?
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clutchpuck posted:1 week away from a tour around the west on my buell. I should cross 62k miles by the time I get home. A little over a year ago I rolled 50k in the Bonneville salt flats, that was pretty cool. calling rear brake. (that is what I broke last year) Or front fork seal (that is what I broke this week)
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clutchpuck posted:1 week away from a tour around the west on my buell. I should cross 62k miles by the time I get home. A little over a year ago I rolled 50k in the Bonneville salt flats, that was pretty cool. Wheel bearing!
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clutchpuck posted:What is going to break? Your spirit.
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Ripoff posted:Your spirit. 
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Just chiming in to say that if your bike has a Fuel Cut Eliminator available you absolutely MUST put one on. I let my FZ1 go too long without it. I've been considering selling it but this changes everything. Shifts are so much smoother now and you can actually let off the throttle without the bike unsettling.
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Ripoff posted:Your spirit. Goddamnit, I thought of that this morning, but had to run errands and forgot to post it when I came home  Baller Witness Bro posted:Just chiming in to say that if your bike has a Fuel Cut Eliminator available you absolutely MUST put one on. I let my FZ1 go too long without it. I've been considering selling it but this changes everything. Shifts are so much smoother now and you can actually let off the throttle without the bike unsettling. I sometimes wonder if the PO of my bike already installed one; I haven't cracked it open to see if there's anything different under the covers, but it doesn't seem nearly as jerky to me as would seem to be implied by how people talk about it, and I have the worst year for it too (06).
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I have a slip-on, BMC, and PC3 on mine and even with block-off plates it popped off-throttle. It also popped if you weren't really careful getting on/off the throttle when shifting. It drove me nuts and I started to question whether something was wrong with the map or if the bike was just truly that jerky. Now it's got no more jittery character and shifts are butter smooth. You can also get on and off the throttle whenever with no lurching. Stock it was pretty terrible getting back on the throttle above 4500RPM but it's no problem now. I also zip-tied my sub-throttle plate linkage open and that made a really nice difference to the throttle feel. It used to have this resistance and really rough feel but now it's much crisper and more responsive. Power seems to come earlier and maybe a bit harder now as well. I found the FCE off a forum for 80 bucks, I think Ivan's charges $200 new? Combining that with the PC3 I got for an 04-06 R1 (same part numbers) for like $85 or 90 bucks I'm pretty happy with it all and I can't recommend it enough if you want to really wake the bike up. The FCE is a must IMO. It's a crime that Yamaha made it so intrusive.
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I forget, who's in charge of the biek wiki? I have a cunning plan...
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I forget, who's in charge of the biek wiki? I have a cunning plan... I own the hosting, everyone is in charge of the content 
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Looking into why my clutch might have failed, it seems to be one of two design issues that don't impact Harleys but do Buells due to slight design differences (I guess that's why Harley never changes anything): piece of primary cover breaking off which means clutch mechanism doesn't have anything to push against, or water entering primary though clutch cable adjuster, ruining bearings and who knows what else. I think I'm dealing with the 2nd.
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How difficult is it to just whip the primary cover off and see? Both of those should be easy to identify.
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Have any of you guys noticed that you'll just hit random pockets of cooler/cold air while you're riding? I went out for a fairly short ride (around an hour or so) and counted 3 separate times it seemed like I hit a cold air pocket. Not associated with hills or anything, just I'd randomly feel a bit of cooler air. All sorts of things you don't notice from a car.
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I'd notice the changes in temperature if I was riding somewhere hilly on a foggy day. Generally I notice the changes in smell more.
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SquadronROE posted:Have any of you guys noticed that you'll just hit random pockets of cooler/cold air while you're riding? I went out for a fairly short ride (around an hour or so) and counted 3 separate times it seemed like I hit a cold air pocket. Not associated with hills or anything, just I'd randomly feel a bit of cooler air. Yep, definitely. It's especially neat when you're riding along a rolling hilly road and you can feel all the cool, damp air collected in the valleys as you go in and out of them.
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Snowdens Secret posted:I'd notice the changes in temperature if I was riding somewhere hilly on a foggy day. Generally I notice the changes in smell more. Hah, yeah. My ride took me past a paper mill, that was a distinct smell.
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Slavvy posted:How difficult is it to just whip the primary cover off and see? Both of those should be easy to identify. There's an inspection cover you can take off, everything looked fine but oil was milky, that's why I'm leaning towards bearing thing. I just hope the clutch itself and the gearbox are fine, the gearbox not just from water in the oil but also from putting it in gear with the clutch out, stalling it, a couple of times and, when I managed to get going, riding it clutchless for a couple of miles.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:I own the hosting, everyone is in charge of the content Are you okay with people leaching images (to SA) from it?
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Not super ok, no. What are you planning?
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High Protein posted:There's an inspection cover you can take off, everything looked fine but oil was milky, that's why I'm leaning towards bearing thing. I just hope the clutch itself and the gearbox are fine, the gearbox not just from water in the oil but also from putting it in gear with the clutch out, stalling it, a couple of times and, when I managed to get going, riding it clutchless for a couple of miles. The gearbox will be fine. The clutch might or might not be ok. I'd definitely take the entire primary cover off, it looks like the inspection cover doesn't show you jack poo poo based on GIS. Either your clutch isn't actuating because of a mechanical defect, or the water contamination is so desperate that everything behind there is completely trashed. Take the cover off.
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Slavvy posted:The gearbox will be fine. The clutch might or might not be ok. I'd definitely take the entire primary cover off, it looks like the inspection cover doesn't show you jack poo poo based on GIS. Either your clutch isn't actuating because of a mechanical defect, or the water contamination is so desperate that everything behind there is completely trashed. Take the cover off. I'd recommend buying a new gasket ahead of time, as this operation may either a) destroy the existing one, or b) reveal that it is worn out. Also, use some finesse as these bolts will undoubtedly be coated in white thread locker. I would send you a new derby cover if it matched, but Buell had to be All Different (TM) with a cover that doesn't lend itself at all to freedom-themed emblems, quotes, and over-badging. If there is a known defect where the inside of the cover has disintegrated, you'll want to do this sooner rather than later. As a side note, modern HD clutches have a spring plate in the stack with brass rivets that eventually shear off and you may see remnants in the fluid. I don't know if Buell shared this design, or when it was corrected, if at all. I have direct experience with this one.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Are you okay with people leaching images (to SA) from it? Use Imgur like a normal human being
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Not super ok, no. What are you planning? Don't worry about it, was just a thought.
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Slavvy posted:How difficult is it to just whip the primary cover off and see? Both of those should be easy to identify. It's not trivial. I have a new clutch cable to put on before I go so the new one shouldn't be leaky for a while. Going to check the primary chain tension too, so I'll be in there looking around. My biggest worry is blowing up my lovely Jardine pipe. clutchpuck fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Sep 15, 2014 |
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Snowdens Secret posted:I'd notice the changes in temperature if I was riding somewhere hilly on a foggy day. Generally I notice the changes in smell more. My ride to work this morning was loving weird. It was mid 70s for about 30 miles, then I take a right turn (no elevation change at all) and the temp dropped into the high 50s, where it remained for the next 15 miles. Of course I didn't have my jacket liner in today, cause it was warm. Gonna be ~103 tomorrow when I leave for home
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For a very brief period this weekend it got down to about 65-70 degrees. It's been 95+ with humidity for the last several weeks. Riding the bike felt like sex in such cool weather.
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clutchpuck posted:It's not trivial. I actually replaced the clutch cable a couple of months back, maybe the way I routed it resulted in more water getting in there? Supposedly it gets in through the adjuster, so I'd just pack that with grease and put a zip tie on the top. Marv Hushman posted:I'd recommend buying a new gasket ahead of time, as this operation may either a) destroy the existing one, or b) reveal that it is worn out. Also, use some finesse as these bolts will undoubtedly be coated in white thread locker. I would send you a new derby cover if it matched, but Buell had to be All Different (TM) with a cover that doesn't lend itself at all to freedom-themed emblems, quotes, and over-badging. Slavvy posted:The gearbox will be fine. The clutch might or might not be ok. I'd definitely take the entire primary cover off, it looks like the inspection cover doesn't show you jack poo poo based on GIS. Either your clutch isn't actuating because of a mechanical defect, or the water contamination is so desperate that everything behind there is completely trashed. Take the cover off. Thanks guys, but the bike was towed to the mechanic's, that was the most expedient at the time. I also have a backup derby cover if it's needed  I heard about the rivets resulting in disintegrating clutches on sportsters; don't know of Buells are the same in that regard, the clutch packs too are Slightly Different. It is normal to have some fuzz on the magnetic drain plug though, so maybe that's those rivets.
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