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Libertine posted:Like what they said in Video 3, the top Korean teams play the game 14-16 hours a day and only break for food and sleep. I don't think any Western teams have that level of dedication and that's the only reason they are behind. It has nothing to do with heritage, or culture, or race, or organizations. It's entirely the insanely focused dedication & discipline towards improving. To be fair, organization does play a huge role, I'd say much more than the amount of time they practice. CJ Entus Frost and Blaze didn't practice any less than the Samsung or SKT teams (that's a big reason why CloudTemplar retired, because he practiced as much as Bengi and was still poo poo-tier compared to him), but Moscow Five and CLG.eu were still able to challenge or beat them. Meanwhile look at how many Western teams only started getting coaches and analysts in Season 4, despite the Koreans having them in Season 2, and how much obviously better Western teams have started playing compared to how they played in Season 3.
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Working 80+ hours per week at anything is dumb and will burn you out. You're not getting that much *good* focused practice anyway. Maybe if you're on speed, but then see point one again.
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Sep 15, 2014 17:41
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You're probably pushing any real gain at about 10 hours. With a cursory Google search, Michael Phelps spends about 6 hours a day training to be in the Olympics. 16 hours a day sounds like a good way to kill your eyes and give you bad arthritis.
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Sep 15, 2014 18:58
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you dont play for all of those hours, many of them are spent discussing the game.
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Sep 15, 2014 19:01
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LOU BEGAS MUSTACHE posted:you dont play for all of those hours, many of them are spent discussing the game. Yep. Watching replays, talking about picks, etc. Probably takes at least as much time as actually scrimming and soloqueue.
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Sep 15, 2014 19:03
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iSurrender posted:Working 80+ hours per week at anything is dumb and will burn you out. You're not getting that much *good* focused practice anyway. Maybe if you're on speed, but then see point one again. I'd be shocked if most top pro gamers weren't on something like piracetam, honestly.
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iSurrender posted:Working 80+ hours per week at anything is dumb and will burn you out. You're not getting that much *good* focused practice anyway. Maybe if you're on speed, but then see point one again. I can respect that, and I certainly don't work 80 hours a week, nor would I want to play League of Legends for 80 hours a week for a year or more. But if you want to win the million dollar League of Legends tournament, you basically have to practice more than anyone else in the world, and the upper ceiling on that level of practice is "hours a human being can be awake and playing League of Legends" because there will be human beings that play to that level and those are your competition. If you don't play that much, you might as well not even compete against them. That's more or less what the guys they interviewed from Taipei Assassins said in the video about Korean professionals, and this is why most analysts are predicting Korean teams to finish #1, #2, and #3 at the World Championships. The burnout from playing at this level is why they say the best teams can't stay on the top for more than a split or two, because it is obviously extraordinarily taxing. But there will always be a few teams playing at this level at any given time.
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iSurrender posted:Working 80+ hours per week at anything is dumb and will burn you out. You're not getting that much *good* focused practice anyway. Maybe if you're on speed, but then see point one again. It's probably like Japan where people work 16 hours a day but are horribly unproductive during those hours.
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Hypocrisy posted:It's probably like Japan where people work 16 hours a day but are horribly unproductive during those hours. Yeah, that would explain why the Korean training regimen isn't working very well in the world of professional [a game they have a scene for]. They're unproductive and ineffective is what! Sorry, I've just seen these same claims in a different thread, applied to a different situation with not much applicable proof. In this situation Koreans have no serious competition and we're talking about whether their training is productive. There are some obvious downsides to insane work hours, but how many of those apply to playing and studying video games isn't very easy to answer. Ihki fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Sep 15, 2014 |
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Sep 15, 2014 20:40
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Ihki posted:Yeah, that would explain why the Korean training regimen isn't working very well in the world of professional [a game they have a scene for]. They're unproductive and ineffective is what! Calm down man, I just mean that they might have all these hours of practice on the books but a good portion of it is probably more easy going.
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Hypocrisy posted:Calm down man, I just mean that they might have all these hours of practice on the books but a good portion of it is probably more easy going. That's the point though, it really isn't. No portion of it is even remotely humane.
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I really think it's the infrastructure and the strong coaching/discipline that's more important than whatever hours of training, honestly. It feels like anyone could just practice that much if they had the time, and there are probably people who do in other scenes - but you need a direction and things like quality scrim partners, focused training, and support staff to make it bear fruit.
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Isn't it just the collective sum of a scene that has existed for a decade longer than the western scenes, coaches and analysts with actual experience getting paid actual money, well developed organisations, huge sponsors and what appears to be a greater drive to win.
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It's probably because of inscrutible eastern secrets, but with the post Korean War infusion of democracy and consumerism, which is why Chinese teams aren't quite as good (they only have Occidental philosophy and not democracy.)
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Violently Car posted:I'd be shocked if most top pro gamers weren't on something like piracetam, honestly. There were people actively advocating for doping controls on Worlds because apparently people do indeed take drugs to focus and to be able to play longer without growing tired.
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fnox posted:There were people actively advocating for doping controls on Worlds because apparently people do indeed take drugs to focus and to be able to play longer without growing tired. This was definitely really prevalent in Halo/other FPSes. No idea how common it is in League.
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Previous Jesus posted:This was definitely really prevalent in Halo/other FPSes. No idea how common it is in League. People'll take drugs to get an edge in almost anything, given how prevalent it was in FPS competition where there wasn't really a lot on the line compared to League it's got to be pretty prevalent. It's also a pretty popular rumor but I'm not aware of any really direct proof. I knew people who used Adderal to get an edge in competitive TF2 back in the day and they stood to win as much as several hundred dollars. Can't imagine what people'd do if their career and potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars were on the line.
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if you don't have a prescription for amphetamines just so you can be better at league it doesn't sound like you really want to win
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south korea is better at esports due to their superior healthcare system imo
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LOU BEGAS MUSTACHE posted:south korea is better at esports due to their superior healthcare system imo And internet.
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M. Night Skymall posted:People'll take drugs to get an edge in almost anything, given how prevalent it was in FPS competition where there wasn't really a lot on the line compared to League it's got to be pretty prevalent. It's also a pretty popular rumor but I'm not aware of any really direct proof. I knew people who used Adderal to get an edge in competitive TF2 back in the day and they stood to win as much as several hundred dollars. Can't imagine what people'd do if their career and potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars were on the line. I figured there was a chance Riot was already doing drug tests. Though I guess they don't actually employ the players, their organizations do. The stakes are higher in League but there's also a greater ability to prevent it. Someone actually asked Scarra if he took adderall on his stream the other day and he said he didn't and none of his team's players do, but he has no idea about anyone else. He sounded pretty sincere.
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So English casted VODs of OGN are only available on Twitch? Which happens to be one of few platforms yet to support Chromecasting. Great.
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ilifinicus posted:So English casted VODs of OGN are only available on Twitch? Which happens to be one of few platforms yet to support Chromecasting. Great. You can use Chrome and the Google Cast extension and just send whatever is in your browser window to your Chromecast.
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ilifinicus posted:So English casted VODs of OGN are only available on Twitch? Which happens to be one of few platforms yet to support Chromecasting. Great. They're paywalled anyway. Best hope is finding one of the youtube mirror accounts before they get taken down.
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Machinima is streaming all the Chasing the Cup episodes followed by the final episode at 9pm est and q&a with doublelift and meteos http://www.twitch.tv/machinima
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Man if I was a coach I would definitely put my entire team on beta blockers at the least.
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Put them on coke, they're only good for a few seasons anyways.
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Vanilla Mint Ice posted:Machinima is streaming all the Chasing the Cup episodes followed by the final episode at 9pm est and q&a with doublelift and meteos Most interesting bit was Susie saying the Samsung teams will provide two games against each Samsung team and if they aren't impressed they don't scrim you anymore. I imagine none of the western teams are actually getting to scrim against them at this point.
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At this point I just want a wildcard team to come in and make a clean sweap. The Korean tears would be majestic.
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Invalid Validation posted:At this point I just want a wildcard team to come in and make a clean sweap. The Korean tears would be majestic.
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Libertine posted:You can use Chrome and the Google Cast extension and just send whatever is in your browser window to your Chromecast.
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Haha Riot made an OGN hype video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJf1l4MssR0 Real talk it's pretty good though.
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Speaking of OGN, Flame is now streaming on Azubu. I saw him laugh earlier, he might not be a robot after all. http://www.azubu.tv/flame
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Sexpansion posted:Haha Riot made an OGN hype video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJf1l4MssR0 Not nearly enough anime or wings or anime wings.
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KicksYouInHalf posted:Not nearly enough anime or wings or anime wings. 
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http://i.imgur.com/aEpCBLW.jpg In the picture we have SK Svenskeren as Taipeichingchong being a cool cat. 
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Rito gave us a whole day and 15 hours to fill out our Fantasy stuff for World's. God bless. http://pickem.na.lolesports.com/en-US Too bad it isn't full Fantasy League, I'd love to pick individual players and teams for points in the group stages. My picks for Group Stages Group A: All this comes down to is which random team you want in 3rd/4th. I like Dark Passage's icon the best. It's too bad they got the group of death. RIP. Group B: Fairly standard. I'm going bold and saying that TPA ends up beating Royal Club for the big upset. There's so much drama in Royal Club right now, with the three Korean players, and having all that drama + losing their ADC doesn't sound like any good for them. TSM comes out strongest based on momentum, I can see them taking first over SK and TPA. SK is a good strategic team, but that might only work in EU where games are really slow and people avoid big team fights. I think TSM and TPA's willingness to fight at all times is going to overtake them. Group C: Samsung Blue is the obvious first place. Second could go to anyone in that group, it looks like the most competitive group. Group D: It's Naijin Shield and either Cloud9 or Alliance depending on which team you fanboy over more. I'm picking Alliance, although I'd say Alliance/Cloud 9 have fairly equal strategics and team fighting ability, I just think that there's better players on Alliance than there are Cloud 9 right now. Unless they stop starving Balls and let him go back to his super carry top champions, I don't see C9 doing well against Alliance. RealFoxy fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Sep 16, 2014 |
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Flameingblack posted:Rito gave us a whole day and 15 hours to fill out our Fantasy stuff for World's. God bless. http://pickem.lolesports.com/en-US#series/1/user/205/my-picks I have no idea what's going on with Group B so I'm taking the flyer on TPA being good again. The other groups are pretty easy to call, I think.
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Tried to be a little bold in my predictions: http://pickem.lolesports.com/en-US#series/1/user/1639/my-picks
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