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And minecraft came out in 2009, but it wasn't a cultural phenomenon in 2009.
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At least Thumbs talks about good board games so they get a pass. What's that game with the bomb that everyone is talking about?
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Sep 23, 2014 15:01
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"Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes" http://www.polygon.com/2014/1/30/5357292/keep-talking-and-nobody-explodes-oculus-rift-vr
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Sep 23, 2014 15:11
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Or Two Rooms and a Boom: http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/134352/two-rooms-and-boom
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Sep 23, 2014 15:14
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al-azad posted:At least Thumbs talks about good board games so they get a pass. What's that game with the bomb that everyone is talking about? Or if you're taking about Thumbs and board games maybe Two Rooms and a Boom which seems cool but requires a pretty large group. E: beaaaateeen
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Sep 23, 2014 15:14
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cbirdsong posted:Or Two Rooms and a Boom: http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/134352/two-rooms-and-boom Yes, this. Player size is fine it will probably replace nights when everyone wants to play Resistance or One Night Werewolf. Keep Talking is cool too, it's the kind of games I want to see that are unique to the medium.
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Sep 23, 2014 15:21
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Mr Scumbag posted:So many people who think they are funny. Why the gently caress does GBS even exist anymore? It's literally worse than Reddit and 4chan put together. At least on those sites you don't have the awkward SA pretentiousness mixed in with the "witty" dialogue. I think GBS is trying to be FYAD from 10+ years ago, but it's still GBS. Also, if I could figure out the BUILD engine back when I was 14, I'm pretty sure today's kids can do whatever the hell they want with Minecraft.
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Sep 23, 2014 16:39
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I don't think, nor did I say, that "kids today are too dumb to install Minecraft mods". I just challenge the carelessly tossed-off assumption that "everybody who plays Minecraft uses mods," because I just don't think it's true. In this, as in all things, I could be wrong. I don't think anybody on either side really has the data to back it up.
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Sep 23, 2014 17:55
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It's cool, I didn't listen to the podcast episode in question--I just generally think people (outside of our nerdy circles) really underestimate what kids are capable of.
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Sep 23, 2014 19:36
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I don't know if it means anything but when I played Minecraft on and off for a bit before it went into beta I never played online and never with any mods. I just can't imagine mods being considered a core gameplay experience of Minecraft.
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Sep 23, 2014 20:19
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When I was bored of minecraft, I downloaded a pre-Tekkit(the nuclear reactors-and-such modpack) Yogbox pack that included, among other things, 100 new animals/enemies, 12 different types of creepers, NPC villages that you can actively improve by supplying raw materials, massive randomly-generated dungeons, boss monsters, a dozen new biomes or more, easily 200 new block types and like a thousand new crafting recipes, tons of new equipment, map generation, etc. It turned Minecraft from an amazing idea into one of the best things I've ever played. Then I accidentally updated Minecraft and it corrupted everything and 
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Sep 23, 2014 22:57
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The best time I had playing Minecraft was when I installed Mystcraft. Then, like Captain Invictus, an update broke everything.
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Sep 23, 2014 22:59
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I've only played Minecraft vanilla because I'm pretty sure I'd spend hours finding the right mods and then an update would come out and corrupt everything.
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Sep 23, 2014 23:01
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I haven't played Minecraft a whole lot in the last 2-3 years, and I haven't really played Vanilla since the 1.0 update. I used to love it but over time the things about it that annoyed me started to bug me more and more (the combat, being the biggest fault) and the things I enjoyed about it lost their luster. With Microsoft purchasing Mojang maybe they can fix a few problems that Mojang never did, but I'm not holding my breath. Edit: An the best time I had with Minecraft was playing this Equivalent Exchange mod that turns the game into some sort of power collecting race to become a god.
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Sep 23, 2014 23:22
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When Idle Thumbs ran a Minecraft server it was ALWAYS modded, but that was because it needed to have admin tools and toggles that were not in vanilla minecraft. Tools for admin access, for who was allowed access to dynamite and spreading fire, etc. That probably isnt the kind of mod you guys are talking about, though. That said, I think we would all be surprised by how many kids install mods into their copies of Minecraft, and how much that is just a part of the fun. I was older than the average Minecraft-playing kid when Quake 1/QuakeWorld was a thing (I was in early high school) but almost the entire delight of that game was scavenging the internet for mods and patching them in and then bringing them and our PCs to a friends house to experience them on a LAN. Vanilla Quake was always fun enough, but as a group of friends, the "real" game almost entirely became mixing and matching mods and trying to make the game be weird and fun in temporarily insane ways, then running around in that world together. Given the crazy poo poo people mod into Minecraft, and given my experience with Quake 1 15 years ago, there HAS to be some similar motivation going on. (Also the anecdote passed to us in an Idle Thumbs reader mail about kids in the playground playing "Minecraft" and one kid yelling "NO MODS" when someone invented a random item, speaks to the high odds that a lot of kids mod MC. If that is true that makes me the happiest person in the world, because that is NOT something that maps to my childhood at all. We dicked around with Quake mods but Quake is just a different thing than Minecraft. Its like if a game the popularity of Mario was also a game that kids just routinely hacked and passed around. I want to play video games in 15-20 years when these kids are the ones making them.)
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Sep 24, 2014 01:55
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Modding Minecraft consists of downloading a third-party launcher and clicking "Play"
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Sep 24, 2014 02:00
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The learning curve for Minecraft is way too big, now. I played it when it was in Beta or something and you could make torches, ladders, the tools, etc. Now there's just too much you need to know how to do and it's intimidating.
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How complex is vanilla Minecraft nowadays? I stopped paying attention a while ago because I just don't have the creativity or attention span to spend hours building some awesome castle, but I remember the vanilla version being super barebones for the longest time, and seeing almost trivial gameplay changes touted as big updates. Is there an actual game there now, or is it still mostly just a big sandbox that now has a lot more materials to play with?
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Sep 24, 2014 02:17
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You know how old people whine about "kids these days"? That's you guys in the thread right now. I've never played Minecraft because I opted to get Starcraft 2 and gave myself carpel tunnel syndrome instead.
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Sep 24, 2014 02:28
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I can think of a few things that would easily make Microsoft millions of dollars that they might not think of but hell if I'm posting those thoughts publicly  pseudorandom name posted:Modding Minecraft consists of downloading a third-party launcher and clicking "Play" augustus gluten posted:The learning curve for Minecraft is way too big, now. I played it when it was in Beta or something and you could make torches, ladders, the tools, etc. Now there's just too much you need to know how to do and it's intimidating. VDay posted:How complex is vanilla Minecraft nowadays? I stopped paying attention a while ago because I just don't have the creativity or attention span to spend hours building some awesome castle, but I remember the vanilla version being super barebones for the longest time, and seeing almost trivial gameplay changes touted as big updates. Is there an actual game there now, or is it still mostly just a big sandbox that now has a lot more materials to play with?
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Sep 24, 2014 02:29
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Song For The Deaf posted:"Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes" Honestly this is the coolest thing and hearing the Idle Thumbs group talk about it made me excited for the Oculus Rift for the first time as far as something I actually want to play that could only be done with a system like this goes.
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Sep 24, 2014 02:32
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Big Coffin Hunter posted:Honestly this is the coolest thing and hearing the Idle Thumbs group talk about it made me excited for the Oculus Rift for the first time as far as something I actually want to play that could only be done with a system like this goes.
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Sep 24, 2014 02:56
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I really wonder if in the 1950s there were people who would scream blue about how "Lego isn't even a toy, it's just some poo poo you stick together!"
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TychoCelchuuu posted:Couldn't you do the exact same thing with just a normal computer as long as only the player looks at the monitor and the other players stand somewhere where they can't be seen? As the article notes you could even do it over Skype. Look at this scrub who ain't never worn an Oculus Rift. (not being snarky, but it's really different than just another monitor) Also, having it be a physical game with prop controls + the Oculus and paper instructions, you can't do cheesy bullshit like CTRL+F and it adds a layer of clumsiness to the game.
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Sep 24, 2014 03:19
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Phone posted:Look at this scrub who ain't never worn an Oculus Rift. (not being snarky, but it's really different than just another monitor) Desirable attributes of peripherals and I/O devices: layers of clumsiness.
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Sep 24, 2014 03:39
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pseudorandom name posted:Modding Minecraft consists of downloading a third-party launcher and clicking "Play" Trust me, at least one kid is gonna download a mod, not like particular aspect of it and decides to learn how to mod to change it to his liking. And then he builds on that. And then we probably are anticipating a game from him in like 10 years.
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Sober posted:Well, that's disingenuous of you to say but the fact that modding is so prevalent even amongst children who play Minecraft is an awesome thing. There's nothing disingenuous about it, that's how you play modded Minecraft -- you get the Technic Launcher or Feed The Beast or ATLauncher or whatever the launcher de jeur is, choose a modpack, and click play. There's basically no skill involved and any ten year old savvy enough to start Minecraft will be able to do it with no effort.
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Sep 24, 2014 03:47
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Phone posted:Look at this scrub who ain't never worn an Oculus Rift. (not being snarky, but it's really different than just another monitor)
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Sep 24, 2014 04:21
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They've apparently made the game to use a different controller, but keeping the paper manual is a must at least. It's hard to describe how isolated it feels when you have the Oculus Rift on and one of the main advantages is not being able to cheat the game at all. It's basically the anti-Screen Cheat game. You are right that the driving force behind the game is the asymmetric data on both the player and the "experts".
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Sep 24, 2014 04:33
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This isn't a podcast, but I wish it were. Leigh Alexander has been doing these super chilled-out let's plays of old adventure games. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmdWb8RDcvMNIeA-umQJ0KA I don't receive ASMR shivers or any of that, but I'm going to find a way to strip these into MP3's, transcode them way down, and put them on my ancient 128MB iRiver player, listen to 'em while I nap.
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TetsuoTW posted:I really wonder if in the 1950s there were people who would scream blue about how "Lego isn't even a toy, it's just some poo poo you stick together!" Erector set? That's just some bullshit scraps from my shed floor, it ain't no "toy"
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Phone posted:They've apparently made the game to use a different controller, but keeping the paper manual is a must at least. It's hard to describe how isolated it feels when you have the Oculus Rift on and one of the main advantages is not being able to cheat the game at all. It's basically the anti-Screen Cheat game. Yeah, I don't know what the Razor is and I've personally never used a Rift, but just the idea of using it as an "isolation chamber" of sorts away from the other person with the binder just felt like a brilliant idea. Especially with the trope of a guy defusing the bomb talking to someone who actually has the information, which sounds like it'll end up being pretty hilarious since the "expert" is just your friend frantically going through a binder of information.
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It seems a little weird to me that nobody has mentioned that Thumbs Network Three Moves Ahead cohost Tom Chick is battling cancer and has a crowdfunding campaign here so there you go.
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Al! posted:It seems a little weird to me that nobody has mentioned that Thumbs Network Three Moves Ahead cohost Tom Chick is battling cancer and has a crowdfunding campaign here so there you go. I just saw that a few mins ago, poor tom.
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oh gently caress drat...
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Pretty sure somewhere, someone on the internet is celebrating that because Tom Chick gave a game he didn't like an actual bad score. I loving hate to say it, but it's probably true.
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Also ten year olds, unlike many adults, are also smart enough to type "how to install texture pack" or similar into youtube and get multiple hundreds of videos with step-by-step instructions.
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ja2ke posted:I was older than the average Minecraft-playing kid when Quake 1/QuakeWorld was a thing (I was in early high school) but almost the entire delight of that game was scavenging the internet for mods and patching them in and then bringing them and our PCs to a friends house to experience them on a LAN. Vanilla Quake was always fun enough, but as a group of friends, the "real" game almost entirely became mixing and matching mods and trying to make the game be weird and fun in temporarily insane ways, then running around in that world together. Given the crazy poo poo people mod into Minecraft, and given my experience with Quake 1 15 years ago, there HAS to be some similar motivation going on. Oh man, this was like an instant memory bomb for me. So many days/nights spent with TF1 and the Killer Quake Pack. It even inspired me to make my own mod though it never went very far.
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Osmosisch posted:Oh man, this was like an instant memory bomb for me. So many days/nights spent with TF1 and the Killer Quake Pack. It even inspired me to make my own mod though it never went very far. I will never forget walking into Babbages and picking up illicit map packs for Duke Nukem 3D which were 90% empty multiplayer maps. "OVER 500 MAPS INCLUDED!" "EXPANSION PACK TO THE GREATEST FPS EVER!" Yeah gently caress you, why does the Duke Nukem license make people go crazy?
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I remember setting up Quake so it would work over the LAN at my Dad's office. Three of us would play constantly, which was probably not good for his business at the time. Then I discovered mouselook, and all of a sudden they couldn't keep up. Then I found the grappling hook mod, and they stopped playing me completely. Mods ruined my childhood, is what I'm saying.
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