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DeathChicken posted:The size thing should have been meaningless if WWE bothered to try (see Taz in ECW murdering guys like 911), but it's WWE. And it's not like WWE hadn't handled guys with the "shoot fighter" gimmick. All they had to do for Taz was "Do what we did with Shamrock in 97/98".
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DeathChicken posted:The size thing should have been meaningless if WWE bothered to try (see Taz in ECW murdering guys like 911), but it's WWE. Kurt Angle was legit afraid that Tazz could shoot on him, so clearly people can buy him as a threat. Since this is the WCW thread, I will say this: I'm finally starting to get Sting. I loved the Crow in the 18-month build to Starrcade 97 like everyone else at the time, but I always found his other work to be pretty whatever. Watching the 95 Nitros though, I can see why he gets such accolades. Dude had amazing baby face fire and the crowds would go nuts for anything he did. It's helped by the contrast with Hogan, whose character acted like a total piece of poo poo and everybody hated him anyways. Sting was what Hogan claimed to be when it came to morals and whatnot, and I almost feel bad for him taking a backseat to Hogan as the face of WCW. Still hate the Surfer paint though.
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DeathChicken posted:The size thing should have been meaningless if WWE bothered to try (see Taz in ECW murdering guys like 911), but it's WWE.
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Charles Gnarwin posted:Kurt Angle was legit afraid that Tazz could shoot on him, so clearly people can buy him as a threat. I always liked Sting and it was a shame how he was pushed aside instead of being utilized fully as a foil to the NWO. Like many, many WCW opportunities, it was cast aside to keep Hogan up front and center.
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The worst thing they ever did with Sting was to put him in the Wolfpack and have him play third fiddle to Nash, Hall, and loving Konnan I do fondly remembering wcw production being so bad late in its run that they couldn't figure out if Sting was walking out to the crow music or Metallica and often played both. 1st AD fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Sep 27, 2014 |
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Charles Gnarwin posted:Kurt Angle was legit afraid that Tazz could shoot on him, so clearly people can buy him as a threat. I think I mentioned this earlier in the thread myself, but as most of my exposure to Sting was with the Crow gimmick, this earlier one is a revelation. One thing I loved was how stoked he was to be wrestling. Him and Luger are tag champs and the Road Warriors appear asking for a title match. Sting couldn't be happier to wrestle them. I think it's the only time I've seen someone so happy to put their title on the line.
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Halloween Jack posted:I think WWE is actually the only place where guys who aren't at least 6'4" and built like bodybuilders aren't "credible" as dangerous fighters. It pretty much revolves around Vince's oddball opinion and the sycophants who feed off that mindset. It pretty much revolves around wrestling being a worked sport where "looking tough" is more important than actually being tough, so getting fans to buy tickets/watch a PPV is more important than "dangerous fighter" bona fides. And it's not like WCW, more or less without any one permanent leadership regime, didn't do basically the same thing when it came to drawing around big, muscular dudes, not just legitimate tough guys. Flair and Savage are the two smallest champs in WCW through all of the 90's until Bret Hart in November '99.
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1st AD posted:The worst thing they ever did with Sting was to put him in the Wolfpack and have him play third fiddle to Nash, Hall, and loving Konnan I hated this so much. I like the Wolf Pac (I know) and didn't want him in it. I was upset when he joined.
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1st AD posted:The worst thing they ever did with Sting was to put him in the Wolfpack and have him play third fiddle to Nash, Hall, and loving Konnan The worst thing about the Wolfpack is that Sting was in it and Scott Hall wasn't. Instead, he spent the year in NWO White teaming up with the Giant, winning the tag titles from Sting and Nash. It was the worst.
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DrVenkman posted:I think I mentioned this earlier in the thread myself, but as most of my exposure to Sting was with the Crow gimmick, this earlier one is a revelation. One thing I loved was how stoked he was to be wrestling. Him and Luger are tag champs and the Road Warriors appear asking for a title match. Sting couldn't be happier to wrestle them. I think it's the only time I've seen someone so happy to put their title on the line. I'm hoping that's the time where Luger didn't want to face the Road Warriors, and started listing off all the other credible tag teams that they could give a shot. One of them was State Patrol.
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Sep 27, 2014 22:41
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Hahaha, after his cage match with the Giant, Hulk Hogan beat up the entire Dungeon of Doom. No wonder people hated the guy around this time.
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Chinston Wurchill posted:Hahaha, after his cage match with the Giant, Hulk Hogan beat up the entire Dungeon of Doom. No wonder people hated the guy around this time. I think it was in one of the Observers that the moment Hogan really seemed to lose the crowd was with Uncensored 96. It's a clusterfuck of an event. Hogan sells nothing from Flair, or AA, or any of the others. But he sells the gently caress out of the 'celebrity' guests they bring in. I've actually found the Nitro episodes pretty fun (And hey, they've now been correctly numbered), but the main event stuff is hard to watch. There's only so many variations on the same main event matches you can see.
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laz0rbeak posted:The worst thing about the Wolfpack is that Sting was in it and Scott Hall wasn't. Instead, he spent the year in NWO White teaming up with the Giant, winning the tag titles from Sting and Nash. It was the worst. This video compiles clips of interviews with the theme being Hogan/Nash legit heat. About 18min, Nash claims Hogan used his creative control to take Hall away from him.
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laz0rbeak posted:It pretty much revolves around wrestling being a worked sport where "looking tough" is more important than actually being tough, so getting fans to buy tickets/watch a PPV is more important than "dangerous fighter" bona fides. (As an aside, I think it's funny when Kevin Nash does a shoot interview and gets coaxed into saying something like "small guys can't draw" or something about vanilla midgets and smarks go crazy over it. The thing is, when the interviewer asks Nash one of these questions, he and Nash aren't really having a conversation. The question Nash hears is "Should a wrestling promotion give Kevin Nash a ton of money to do nothing?" and his answer is always "Yes.") That said, it would be disingenuous for me to cite a bunch of guys from decades ago as examples of guys who were believable and over without having "the look," because athletes in other contact sports are significantly bigger than they were decades ago, too. But in WCW, in between Herd's tenure and the rise of the nWo you had guys like Vader, Roberts, Cactus Jack, and others in the main event who didn't exactly fit the same mold as Sting.
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Greed, WCW's last PPV, contained several cuts to the back, where Dusty Rhodes orders and consumes burritos, plotting to poop on Ric Flair. So far as I can tell, when he put his butt on Jeff Jarrett's face, no pooping occurred.
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Xerzes posted:Greed, WCW's last PPV, contained several cuts to the back, where Dusty Rhodes orders and consumes burritos, plotting to poop on Ric Flair. So far as I can tell, when he put his butt on Jeff Jarrett's face, no pooping occurred. The next night had JJ kiss Dusty's rear end, it was a donkey.
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bobkatt013 posted:The next night had JJ kiss Dusty's rear end, it was a donkey. Something I learned recently is that Bryan Alvarez had to watch that Nitro on a delay, and one of his friends, knowing this, e-mailed him going "I can't believe that Dusty Rhodes brought back Vince Russo." As a result, he was so happy to see the donkey.
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Doomsday Jesus posted:I hated this so much. I like the Wolf Pac (I know) and didn't want him in it. I was upset when he joined. The worst part was definitely his facepaint. The entire face being red looked terrible. Come to think of it, I can't think of a single redeeming quality of the Wolfpac beyond their theme being fun to sing.
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Come on brother, what's NOT cool about guys in their 40s and 50s acting like 15 year olds? In fact, one might call them too sweet.
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I remember thinking the Wolfpac only had like 4 members while Hollywood had about 10 but Hollywood still couldn't beat them. Also at Wargames 98 Luger and Sting got no pyro while Nash had it going off while he ran to the ring and then got knocked out within 60 seconds and did nothing else.
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Doomsday Jesus posted:I hated this so much. I like the Wolf Pac (I know) and didn't want him in it. I was upset when he joined. I was happy when he joined, I wanted him to join. Didn't want him with completely red facepaint though. I was a Wolfpac mark, I still have my shirt, and I loved Konnan as well. No guilty pleasures, if you love something, you love it. I loved both the original Wolfpac: Hall, Nash and Syxx (later on with Konnan) and the red and black version.
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Sorry this was two or three pages ago but wasn't Rick Martel injured during a match with Booker T? I thought the story was Martel was suppose to win and then immediately face Saturn, basically forcing Booker T and Saturn call the match on the fly. I remember being a huge Booker T fan during his 97-98 singles run and being so bummed that WCW never gave him a t-shirt or if they did I don't remember them ever selling it at any of the shows I went to. Same thing with the other WCW undercard guys I liked at the time save for Jericho and Raven.
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I've been to the Hulk Hogan restaurant, it's really close to my grandma's house so I popped in one day. The food is painfully generic and is the same basic quality as a loosely aquatic themed Chili's or TGI Fridays. It's not an awful place to eat mind you, but it's worse than other tourist trap type places like Rainforest Cafe and Margaritaville and substantially worse than other local places with similar food. Also the dress code is never enforced because when I was there there was a bro posse of people all wearing jerseys and baggy jorts (but they were all white guys...).
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bartok posted:Sorry this was two or three pages ago but wasn't Rick Martel injured during a match with Booker T? I thought the story was Martel was suppose to win and then immediately face Saturn, basically forcing Booker T and Saturn call the match on the fly. Yes. It was a TV title match and it hosed up his leg enough that it forced him to retire.
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Nitro 35 has a weird rear end ending. There is what seems like 2-3 minutes of silence from the broadcast booth. When they finally show the broadcast table, Bischoff is silent, Heenan has a poo poo eating grin on his face, and Mongo is stammering like usual. Also, Giant's unitard is cut weird around his rear end so half of it is hanging out.
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I understand having to let him talk in the ring, but what was the logic behind letting Mongo do color commentary? Was it in the contract or did someone in WCW genuinely think Mongo was the total package or something.
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RZApublican posted:I understand having to let him talk in the ring, but what was the logic behind letting Mongo do color commentary? Was it in the contract or did someone in WCW genuinely think Mongo was the total package or something. It's probably one of those cases where Mongo was getting paid so much money that someone in charge felt compelled to have him do something to justify the expense.
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RZApublican posted:I understand having to let him talk in the ring, but what was the logic behind letting Mongo do color commentary? Was it in the contract or did someone in WCW genuinely think Mongo was the total package or something. Americans worship football, so I imagine that the hope was that people would see WCW as a big deal. I don't know if it is just how bad the current WWE announcing is, but I actually don't mind Mongo on the Nitros I've been watching. He doesn't know poo poo about wrestling, but at least he seems to be trying his hardest and is earnest about the product.
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Wasn't it basically a way to give him something to do while he trained to be a regular wrestler?
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Thauros posted:Wasn't it basically a way to give him something to do while he trained to be a regular wrestler? I wonder how far out they really planned to insert Mongo into the Horsemen? I don't think I can buy that they gave him exposure as an announcer just to set that up. Although, if it weren't for WCW signing McMichael to be a terrible announcer/wrestler, we wouldn't have gotten his wife, Debra. And if WCW hadn't gone out of business, she wouldn't have met and married Austin, and, well...
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Red posted:I wonder how far out they really planned to insert Mongo into the Horsemen? I don't think I can buy that they gave him exposure as an announcer just to set that up. Actually, Debra met Austin when she first joined the WWF in 1998, and they were married two years later. poo poo most likely went down after the InVasion angle because she was constantly on the road during then and seemed fine.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:I've been to the Hulk Hogan restaurant, it's really close to my grandma's house so I popped in one day. The food is painfully generic and is the same basic quality as a loosely aquatic themed Chili's or TGI Fridays. It's not an awful place to eat mind you, but it's worse than other tourist trap type places like Rainforest Cafe and Margaritaville and substantially worse than other local places with similar food. Also the dress code is never enforced because when I was there there was a bro posse of people all wearing jerseys and baggy jorts (but they were all white guys...). My cousin had his rehearsal dinner there last November (no idea why, none of his family are wrestling fans) and I agree that the food was nothing special. The back area is all cabana bars and volleyball courts, so maybe it's fun during spring break, but seemed pretty dead when I was there. Jimmy Hart was chilling by himself at the bar and I got to talk to him for a little bit and take a picture with him so that was cool I guess?
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Aku posted:Actually, Debra met Austin when she first joined the WWF in 1998, and they were married two years later. poo poo most likely went down after the InVasion angle because she was constantly on the road during then and seemed fine. Man, I forgot about Debra being a valet for Jeff Jarrett during JJ's less-sucky WWE phase.
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Red posted:Man, I forgot about Debra being a valet for Jeff Jarrett during JJ's less-sucky WWE phase. Mongo left WCW for WWF and Debra followed shortly thereafter around the time of their divorce. Which of course was run as an actual WCW storyline for a while.
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ayn rand hand job posted:Mongo left WCW for WWF and Debra followed shortly thereafter around the time of their divorce. I'm pretty sure Debra left WCW almost a year before Mongo did, and Mongo didn't go to WWF. His brief time in WWF was before his WCW run.
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Diabolik900 posted:I'm pretty sure Debra left WCW almost a year before Mongo did, and Mongo didn't go to WWF. His brief time in WWF was before his WCW run. Correct. Mongo in the WWF was strictly limited to being a "friend" of LT during the Bam Bam stuff.
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Nitro March 10, 1996: SIX MAN DOUBLE STRAP LUMBERJACK MATCH. Also, Scott Steiner has expanded swollen up considerably since I last saw him on Raw.
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Hello friends. Tonight is a special night. For 18 months the nWo has dominated using unfair tactics and displaying cowardly double standards. They've painted the 100 year old WCW title, they've paid off refs, attacked announcers, destroyed the set and tried to destroy our beloved tradition. Tonight that all changes. Tonight STING gets the match we've all been waiting for. At 8 PM tonight it's STARRCADE 97! STING VS HOGAN ZBYSZKO VS BISCHOFF DDP VS HENNIG BAGWELL VS LUGER RAVEN VS BENOIT* NASH VS GIANT* MALENKO VS GUERRERO NORTON, (VINCENT HAS NO LAST NAME, MAYBE MCMAHON?) and SAVAGE VS STEINER, STEINER AND TRAYLOR *Card Subject to Change http://www.psp-tv.com/r/BadMoviesWorseWrestling The biggest night in history is just hours away. MCMICHAEL VS GOLDBERG
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