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That's really interesting and I genuinely did not know that, since most of Stern's legacy is in his use of non-traditional Spidey villains like Nitro, Juggernaut, Mr. Hyde or then-new creations like the Hobgoblin. How on earth did he make The Vulture of all characters a credible threat? I know at some point they added razor feathers the Vulture could shoot, which is kind-of lame but necessary, but I can't imagine what else they'd do without just contriving scenarios where the Vulture is way more of a mastermind than he was ever shown to be originally.
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ruddiger posted:I love that Peter David wrote that basically as a big baby gently caress you to Erik Larsen. Completely jobs the gently caress out of Doc Ock, reverts him from the three piece suit/lab coat Larsen put him in back into the fat guy green suit, then to top it off, straight up steals "the finger" joke from Larsen's spidey issue. The finger that killed Doc Ock.
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Speaking of the Vulture and being lame, does anyone even remember that new Vulture they tried pushing a few years ago? I haven't seen anyone get shelved so quickly after being introduced since the 90s.
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I remember thane awesome fight between Rucka's Punisher and the Vulture, but I don't have those scans anymore to post.
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Doom and Kristoff are badass and they don't have to lift a finger to be badass   New Avengers #24
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Kristoff has been taking to his "how to destroy a man with one line" lessons I see.
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mind the walrus posted:I know at some point they added razor feathers the Vulture could shoot, Did they do that with the Vulture too? Because that was Angel/Archangel from X-Men as well then.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Kristoff has been taking to his "how to destroy a man with one line" lessons I see. It's even better because right after Kristoff questions Doom's decision in refusing. Kristoff didn't agree and still just flowed right into burning the hell out of Namor.
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WickedHate posted:It's even better because right after Kristoff questions Doom's decision in refusing. Kristoff didn't agree and still just flowed right into burning the hell out of Namor. Not every day you get the chance to ice burn Namor.
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I really like "Doom is no man's second choice." A badass breakup-line if there ever was one.
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Grendels Dad posted:I really like "Doom is no man's second choice." A badass breakup-line if there ever was one. Doom is a strong independant lady who don't need no second-rate fishmonger.
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AnonSpore posted:Not every day you get the chance to ice burn Namor.
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To be fair to the Vulture, the loving Enforcers were once a credible threat to Spider-Man. Keep in mind, they were originally just a short dude who knew judo, an unusually strong guy, and a dude with a lasso.
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Skwirl posted:To be fair to the Vulture, the loving Enforcers were once a credible threat to Spider-Man. Keep in mind, they were originally just a short dude who knew judo, an unusually strong guy, and a dude with a lasso. To be really fair, a LOT of Marvel heroes had their primary villains established in the 60's when the comic writing mindset was different and hence what constituted a 'threat' was different. Honestly, once it hit the 80's and Spider Man started becoming properly iconic, how many supervillains since then got introduced that really felt like they belonged in the original 60's club? Hobgoblin, Venom, MAYBE Carnage?
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Skwirl posted:To be fair to the Vulture, the loving Enforcers were once a credible threat to Spider-Man. Keep in mind, they were originally just a short dude who knew judo, an unusually strong guy, and a dude with a lasso.
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Drakyn posted:To be even more fair to the Vulture, he's basically the Falcon with super strength and no morals. Alternatively, he's a Goblin with better air control, no gadgets, and less crazy. Maybe it's because all my Vulture exposure is from the 80s runs you guys were talking about, but I don't see what makes the guy any less dangerous than a lot of other Spider-Man villains, aside from 'this one looks like an old geezer.' Hawkman syndrome. "Okay, superhero/villain can fly? What else?". Flight alone just isn't impressive and isn't an offensive power. Of course, Hawkman has super strength and that alien mace, and Vulture can (apparently, I know next to nothing about the Vulture) shoot bladed wings and also has super strength.
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Does Namor still refer to himself as "Prince"? I mean, who does he answer to?
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CzarChasm posted:Does Namor still refer to himself as "Prince"? I don't know anything about Namor, so it could be different in his specific case, but afaik Prince can be used as a generic title for male royalty, even a monarch, so he doesn't necessarily need to be a prince under a king, if that makes sense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince#Prince_as_a_substantive_title There's a famous Machiavelli quote using Prince in this manner: "So far as he is able, a prince should stick to the path of good but, if the necessity arises, he should know how to follow evil."
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Guys like Vulture and Osborn have the Marvel quality of their "powers" being incidental, and their real powers being something more innate. Vulture may not be the worst guy to be against in a fist fight but he's extremely smart and crafty and one hell of an engineer.
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CzarChasm posted:Does Namor still refer to himself as "Prince"? Presumably he's a ruling prince of a sovereign principality. There used to be a million of 'em, but nowadays I think there's only Monaco and Liechtenstein. I don't remember whether the various emirates are equivalent, but possibly them too. Interestingly, "prince" is derived from the Roman Empire in the Latin princeps, while "king" is derived from the Germanic kuningaz used by the tribes who conquered and ruled territories formerly part of the Western Roman Empire. Namor's new emphasis on being a *king* rather than a prince could be a very subtle indication that he believes his actions have placed him among the 'barbarians'... or the writers could just believe like most people that a prince is a shittier version of a king and it means nothing. Whichever! You could argue that Victor von Doom actually chose "Doctor Doom" as his title of monarchy. In the ancient usage of the term, a "doctor" (from the Latin for 'I teach') was one of the philosophical authorities of the early Christian church, someone who was in addition to their temporal authority one of the few licensed to preach and interpret the Truth. Or, again, they just needed a bit of alliteration and it means nothing. Dammit Who? fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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Dammit Who? posted:Presumably he's a ruling prince of a sovereign principality. There used to be a million of 'em, but nowadays I think there's only Monaco and Liechtenstein. I don't remember whether the various emirates are equivalent, but possibly them too. Don't forget the most famous principality-Zeon. 
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Dammit Who? posted:You could argue that Victor von Doom actually chose "Doctor Doom" as his title of monarchy. In the ancient usage of the term, a "doctor" (from the Latin for 'I teach') was one of the philosophical authorities of the early Christian church, someone who was in addition to their temporal authority one of the few licensed to preach and interpret the Truth. Or, again, they just needed a bit of alliteration and it means nothing. Has he though? I can't remember the last time Doom has called himself "Doctor" or really anything besides just "Doom".
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team overhead smash posted:Doc Ock has just never struck me as a realistic threat because at the end of the day he is a normal dude without any armour who has some metal limbs. Pretty much any super hero can beat him by dodging past the arms and punching the pudgy normal-strength nerd in the face. Cops should be able to take him out by just firing some bullets at him. Hell, normal dudes could just throw some poo poo at him and all it takes is one good hit to knock him silly. To me he's always been a C-lister and I've no idea why he is treated so highly. I thought Ultimate Doc Ock was a pretty interesting villain, especially given that his power went from "grafted to robot tentacles" to " the ability to manipulate metal". It sucked that they jobbed him out during the Sinister Six storyline in Ultimate Spider-man to prove how scary Norman Osborn could be.
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Was Ultimate Doc Ock the one who could control his arms from a distance?
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Uthor posted:Was Ultimate Doc Ock the one who could control his arms from a distance? No, that's Newspaper Strip Doc Ock. 
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ruddiger posted:I love that Peter David wrote that basically as a big baby gently caress you to Erik Larsen. Completely jobs the gently caress out of Doc Ock, reverts him from the three piece suit/lab coat Larsen put him in back into the fat guy green suit, then to top it off, straight up steals "the finger" joke from Larsen's spidey issue. Plus bad puns: "petty larceny"; "save your image."
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Uthor posted:Was Ultimate Doc Ock the one who could control his arms from a distance? Yes. I posted some strips on the previous page. That later evolved into he could control the metal mentally and he starts clobbing together arms from random stuff in a sort of Magneto-ish way. He's had a pretty good evolution in Ultimate SpiderMan that goes a long way towards explaining how he's still a threat even though power levels and lethality have gone up. I'm so glad they ditched Osborn in favor of Ock in USM. I haven't read anything since Ultimatum so maybe Osborn comes back, but I hope not.
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ConfusedUs posted:I'm so glad they ditched Osborn in favor of Ock in USM. He does. One of the first thing he does is kill Ock. Sorry. Ultimate Spider-Man is still really good, though!
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:He does. One of the first thing he does is kill Ock. He actually comes back three separate times. Dead means dead indeed.
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CharlestheHammer posted:He actually comes back three separate times. He's only been shot and crushed. Considering normal GG has a healing factor, it's not surprising Ultimate Turns Into A Monster GG has a ridiculous one.
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Crowetron posted:Man, now I gotta go buy a van so I can airbrush this on the side. Maybe fix perspective on The Spectre, but yeah, the vengeful right hand of God riding a T-rex is a pretty boss image. drat, I need a van.
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ManiacClown posted:Maybe fix perspective on The Spectre, but yeah, the vengeful right hand of God riding a T-rex is a pretty boss image. drat, I need a van. All-Black the Necrovan, the Annihiliconoline, the Slicer of Highways.
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This cover has stunning theological implications. Did God smite the dinosaurs?
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ManiacClown posted:Maybe fix perspective on The Spectre, but yeah, the vengeful right hand of God riding a T-rex is a pretty boss image. drat, I need a van. Not only is he riding the dinosaur, his legs are one with the dinosaur. The vengeful right hand of God is literally half dinosaur!
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That whole run of Spectre is one cool cover after another (usually by a different artist each month). Another Spectre Rides Something Ridiculous cover: 
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Cornwind Evil posted:To be really fair, a LOT of Marvel heroes had their primary villains established in the 60's when the comic writing mindset was different and hence what constituted a 'threat' was different. Honestly, once it hit the 80's and Spider Man started becoming properly iconic, how many supervillains since then got introduced that really felt like they belonged in the original 60's club? Hobgoblin, Venom, MAYBE Carnage? Hell, doesn't the freaking SHOCKER of all people have the best proverbial "win/loss/tie" record against Spidey? Unscheduled Stop is one of my favorite short storylines and I wish I knew which trade paperback it's in so I could read it again.
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From the SECRET WARRIORS series - all images click for Issue #2:     Guess Strucker knew he wasn't going to have to pay off. Issue #9:   "Smithers! Release the Issue #23:   When in a three-way war, why not sign one enemy's name to the assassination of one of the other enemy's leaders? Issue #27:    I wonder if anyone actually thought that Fury was going to listen to anything Strucker had to say?
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Double-post because we need some Thor up in here, too. Still clickable for more Asgardian resolutions. Thor: Ages of Thunder   Boom headshot. Also, "Clean this poo poo up, Loki, I gotta deliver some giant skulls to Frazetta and Vallejo here." Later in the same book:  How do you top the headshot? Hole-in-one, baby! Thor: Reign of Blood   Odin takest not poo poo from female Frost Giants that he was perving on in years past.  We now pause to remind you the holidays are coming. "Now Swamptooth! Now Warhoof! Now Mudbrute and Firegnaw! On Smokemare! On Slaughterbit! On Snow Harpy and Stormbringer! To the top of Yggdrasil! To the top of Valhalla! Now slash away! Now smash away! Now lightning bolt all!" Thor: Man of War You thought Odin was pissed at the Frost Giantess?  No. *Now* he's pissed. This post was brought to you by a generous grant from All-Black the Necrovan, the Annihiliconoline, the Slicer of Highways. (Courtesy of Phy)
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