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Dangersim posted:Does he have that Tiger's balls in his hand? it's called a rock hold watch more wrestling
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Scrapez posted:I've heard the growing a business arguments since the days of Pride. Their business is grown...It's not in it's infancy anymore. This is so stupid, you have to be trolling. Comparing a no name fighter to Bruce Springsteen... yeah that's about the same.
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Dangersim posted:And perhaps, this is just a guess, renting out an arena costs a lot of money.
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Ogantai posted:The casinos actually pay the UFC to use the arena, in exchange for the site fee they get tickets to give away as comps. That I didn't know, but my point stands for all the shows that are not in Vegas.
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He expended too much energy and got tired
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Either way the cost of actually broadcasting the event is much more expensive than the venue fee. We don't really know the details of UFC's break even point, but for WWE it was about 70,000 buys (when they were PPV oriented.) UFC pays its talent a much higher portion of their revenue than WWE so their break even point can be much higher (when fighters with PPV points and a high downside fight.)
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Captain Log posted:Also did anyone confirm if the whole, "YOU JUST SENT DA MILITARY SNI1PER YOUR ADDRESSS LOL!" story about Kennedy was true? https://twitter.com/TimKennedyMMA/status/356840799457124352 https://twitter.com/TimKennedyMMA/status/356844204976123904
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masato tatanka posted:https://twitter.com/TimKennedyMMA/status/356840799457124352 Part of me was thinking I made it out to be much worse then it was in my head, but nope, just like I remember it. #badidea
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masato tatanka posted:https://twitter.com/TimKennedyMMA/status/356840799457124352 I sent Tim Kennedy my address and all I got was this stinking VADA newsletter pinned to my door with a knife. MagicCube fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Sep 30, 2014 |
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I'm not making a statement one way or another about how fighters are paid and how much. I'm just going to throw in that the UFC has a whole lot of expenses that most other sports don't have in that they pay for everything from the guys to set up the octagon to the guys who use the cameras and set up stages. In the NFL/baseball etc all the production work is done by the networks who carry the games. I'm not sure what their fox deal is, but that's going to eat into the budget given the logistics, insurance and everything else involved.
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niethan posted:He just got sponsored by Adidas this might sound like a big deal but it's not like, adidas adidas, it's a small part of the american branch that sponsors fighters mostly with training gear. they sponsor a few guys in glory
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It's probably a given that the UFC could pay fighters more, however Zuffa is a private company so they don't need to disclose financials. No one outside of the company really knows how they're doing. Also, most fighters make the majority of their money backstage, so not only do we not know how much they're really taking home, they probably don't really know relative to each other. All that been said, there's nothing to indicate the UFC treats fighters badly. As far as combat sports go they're pretty much saints just in what we know about in taking care of fighters.
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A court should rule that the ufc doesnt wait 2 months between good events and like 6 months between bad events
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Also tim kennedy should be severely fined because despite all his oo rah troop posturing he fails to love + appreciate america and christian jesus even half as much as yoel
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david carmichael posted:Also tim kennedy should be severely fined because despite all his oo rah troop posturing he fails to love + appreciate america and christian jesus even half as much as yoel yoel destroyed him everywhere, he's even on the frontline in god's army. he's even better at crying in interviews, because he actually breaks down in tears. the only way you could get tim kennedy to cry like that is telling him g.i joe was drawn in korea.
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The UFC 181 poster is great. I'm sure its been posted before, but it's worth another posting if so. The less said about Velasquez vs Werdum's poster, the better.
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Dangersim posted:What's wrong with it? Hmm the poster's theme is posters. I like it. Especially how they're kind of torn up a bit. They're in bad shape. One might say that the ufc succeeded in making a good bad poster-themed poster.
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I dunno I like it. The comic book is way too gimmicky for my tastes.
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I like the UFC 181 poster, it has me more excited for Anthony Pettis with a Nick Newell arm vs Turok the Dinosaur Hunter and Johny Hendricks vs BJ Penn than I thought I'd be
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The problem with 180's poster is a good 40% of it is a really terrible font that's sort of difficult to read despite being large bold letters. Great fight though, so that's all that really matters. e: looking again at the 181 poster and it kind of feels like they've managed to gently caress up while drawing their own UFC logo.
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Gilbert Melendez looking like El Hulk Increíble for whatever reason
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Fozzy The Bear posted:This is so stupid, you have to be trolling. I'm not trolling and I'm really not trying to piss everyone off. I'm just having a discussion about this but I guess I'm probably beating a dead horse for most of you that post in here all the time. Unfortunately, there isn't much information to say definitively one way or the other whether the fighters are paid poorly or well. But on the headliner concert thing, it's more apples to apples than you're making out. Bruce Springsteen's average attendance for a concert was 28,xxx for which he earned $1,000,000. UFC 178 had an attendance of 10,500 and the fighters got approx $1.23 million. On those stats it would appear the fighters get paid more but the PPV revenue is where the big numbers are and the UFC is keeping all of that. Now, people have said for years and continue to say that "fighters get paid a bunch of money backstage." That could be true I suppose but it seems really strange. How much could it really be? I could see Dana walking in with $10k or maybe even $20k in cash but are we talking millions in briefcases type of poo poo?
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Scrapez posted:I'm not trolling and I'm really not trying to piss everyone off. I'm just having a discussion about this but I guess I'm probably beating a dead horse for most of you that post in here all the time. Unfortunately, there isn't much information to say definitively one way or the other whether the fighters are paid poorly or well. Stop concerning yourself with it. You have no way of knowing how a private company is spending and investing its money. You can only guess at what it takes to run a show, and every figure you could come up with for camera costs, editing, catering, doctors, travel, security... it's all going to be wrong. So trying to formulate a fair rate of pay based on lots of incorrect figures that you've added together is wasting your time. And now mine too.
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The problem that I have with the supposed "backstage bonuses" is that they can be withheld, and that becomes a stick. Because fighters can't really depend on them being there, they'll do everything they can to make sure that they don't lose the "bonus" which they probably depend on. Because they're a bonus, the UFC really has the grounds to give or withhold them for any reason, it keeps individuals from speaking out about grievances about company operations so they stay on the bonus train (historically, the power of arbitrary dispensation is also tyranny 101). It also seems like some kind of dodgy way of avoiding regulation. I know that the fighters end up taking home more money than we see on the pay sheets, but the ways in which it gets paid out make me uncomfortable. Why don't they just kill the locker room bonus practice and just turn the bonuses into salaries and visible parts of the contract? It sure would be a good PR thing - they don't do it because they'd give up that mostly-coercive power which they get to package up and polish as "a reward". And that's why the UFC uses the double secret bonus structure. They will keep doing it until some higher authority (probably the IRS or someone) makes them stop, at which time they'll cry that big bad government is interfering with their ability to reward their employees. I know that if I had that power and I was trying to run a business built around obtaining and retaining such individual talents I wouldn't give it up easily either. Professional team sports have the influence of the strong team to help keep the talent in place, but a fight promoter really depends on making sure that otherwise uncommitted individuals stay where you need them.
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Dangersim posted:They also want exciting fights Because knockouts and crazy brawls don't happen without those bonuses (  , I know)
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Bluedeanie posted:UFC is not keeping all of it's PPV revenue and fighters actually see some of that, it just falls on the end of fighters whose disclosed base pay is already on the higher end anyway as champions and draws are the fighters who earn PPV points. not disclosing pay is a tried and true method of suppressing wages, and the fertita bros don't exactly have a great history with them thar labour relations
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the ufc is not in the business of making anyone other than lorenzo, frank, dana and their pals rich. on the one hand, solidarity among all labourers. on the other hand, the only things that are laboured in the ufc are dom cruz's foot movement and dan henderson's breathing
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I do see a potential problem with someone like Zingano only making 9/9. If I'm a female Olympic level judo/etc or wrestler and I'm looking at a top 5 person in the sport and they're making about 50k a year (before taxes and before spending money on camps and everything) I'm a lot less likely to get into WMMA than if the top people are making at least pretty good money.
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:I do see a potential problem with someone like Zingano only making 9/9. If I'm a female Olympic level judo/etc or wrestler and I'm looking at a top 5 person in the sport and they're making about 50k a year (before taxes and before spending money on camps and everything) I'm a lot less likely to get into WMMA than if the top people are making at least pretty good money. that lady olympic gold medalist from the US appeared in my friend's terrible improv comedy show for 300 dollars. 50k would be a goddamn dream for those fools.
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:I do see a potential problem with someone like Zingano only making 9/9. If I'm a female Olympic level judo/etc or wrestler and I'm looking at a top 5 person in the sport and they're making about 50k a year (before taxes and before spending money on camps and everything) I'm a lot less likely to get into WMMA than if the top people are making at least pretty good money. i think cat zingano should be paid more than she is and miesha tate should be fined based on the number of viewers, like negative ppv points
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Triticum Guzzler posted:i think cat zingano should be paid more than she is and miesha tate should be fined based on the number of viewers, like negative ppv points Quoting this post should be required every time someone wants to engage in UFC pay debate like that E/N Darfur orphan thing.
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david carmichael posted:that lady olympic gold medalist from the US appeared in my friend's terrible improv comedy show for 300 dollars. 50k would be a goddamn dream for those fools. Is this on Youtube?
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Scrapez posted:Everyone always talks about all this extra money the UFC gives the fighters. How much are we talking and has it been confirmed? Nothing is ever confirmed because few fighters have a reason to rock the boat, but for example when Carmouche lost to Ronda Dana bonused her to the point that she moved to a nicer apartment and bought a new truck. So when Dana says "you'll get taken care of" to Cat Zingano I think it's a decent assumption to make that Cat is going to make more than 9/9 for her victory.
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Scrapez posted:Everyone always talks about all this extra money the UFC gives the fighters. How much are we talking and has it been confirmed? Yes, it has, many times in interview by multiple fighters. Sean McCorkle made double his disclosed pay for every fight he had in the UFC, and he went 1-2. quote:Don't you think UFC main events/PPVs are making a lot more than non-Mayweather boxing cards? Not generally, no. quote:Just seems to me like they have to be. One of the annoying things about fighter pay arguments are that they are filled with people who don't know even the smallest, most easily discovered bits of information about fighter pay making arguments about what "Just seems to" them must be the case. Scrapez posted:I'm basing it partly on bars here carrying every UFC ppv and only select few boxing PPVs. For example, not knowing that 50% of every ppv buy goes to the ppv carrier, not the UFC. Scrapez posted:UFC 178 had an attendance of 10,500 and the fighters got approx $1.23 million. On those stats it would appear the fighters get paid more but the PPV revenue is where the big numbers are and the UFC is keeping all of that. Or not knowing that the majority of headliners get ppv points in addition to their base disclosed salaries.
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