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Irony Be My Shield posted:I really loving hated the resolution, and it poisoned my impressions of the previous two episodes until I rewatched them. It combines the stupid deus ex machina, the nauseating power of hope and the frustrating total reset endings that are sometimes on this show. It was also just done so stupidly. Everyone is thinking about The Doctor, therefore obviously he gets his regeneration energy back, and gets younger, and starts to fly, and can also deflect laser beams with his hand.
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You liked Doctor Jesus? Man, you've got the Who Fever bad.
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Oct 2, 2014 11:21
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Senor Tron posted:You liked Doctor Jesus? Man, you've got the Who Fever bad. I think the only reasonable conclusion here is that Occ is Bad At Television.
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Oct 2, 2014 11:28
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If I calculated correctly, there are 76 episodes + full length specials left to review. Divide that by 2 and you get 38 more weeks of reviews plus Christmas break. You'll be finished sometime during the Summer.  Then add 41 episodes of Torchwood... Issaries fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Oct 2, 2014 |
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Oct 2, 2014 11:55
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Have you included a full season eight in that?
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Oct 2, 2014 11:57
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Yes and the Christmas special as they will be all broadcast this year.
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Oct 2, 2014 11:58
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Autonomous Monster posted:I think the only reasonable conclusion here is that Occ is Bad At Television. Or is better at television than any of us. I think the fact that Occ originally hated Doctor Who means that he's able to look at it more objectively. Some of us approached the show expecting to like it and treat it more seriously, so the super over the top parts can be annoying. Occ came into it thinking it's all over the top nonsense, so can enjoy it for being that.
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Oct 2, 2014 11:59
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quakster posted:Fringe had a crappy episode where a ghost possessed someone. Later on, a main character's ghost possessed someone and it was a huge plot point, but I didn't think it was a cop-out because the show'd already done it before. Establishing stupid bullshit before it becomes important makes it a bit more palatable for sure, ala Chekhov's gun. Which episode was the first ghost possession one? I remember the second with Olivia doing a bad Leonard Nimoy impersonation but not the first.
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Oct 2, 2014 13:20
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It was the unaired episode they aired in Season 2 as filler with the dead guy who could coopt just deceased bodies.
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Oct 2, 2014 13:26
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rargphlam posted:It was the unaired episode they aired in Season 2 as filler with the dead guy who could coopt just deceased bodies. That was a baaaaaaad episode.
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Oct 2, 2014 13:46
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I thought this was a completely different episode. Instead it was the stupid Tinkerbell ending, which Occ somehow liked.
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MrAristocrates posted:I've already written one and I was gonna simulpost it with this review but I decided I wanted a few more under my belt. POST IT NOW YOU SON OF A BITCH
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Oct 2, 2014 15:27
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I agree with Jerusalem's opinion on Martha. Even Rose (also not a very good companion) got to define herself more with Father's Day and a peripheral cast that had at least some development and attention.quakster posted:Fringe had a crappy episode where a ghost possessed someone. Later on, a main character's ghost possessed someone and it was a huge plot point, but I didn't think it was a cop-out because the show'd already done it before. Establishing stupid bullshit before it becomes important makes it a bit more palatable for sure, ala Chekhov's gun. 
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God, the Jesus ending. And the, "I forgive you," is just so unbearably smug. The Master killed literally billions of people for fun, and tortured many more, but the Tenth Doctor - the same guy who drowned all those spider-babies for existing and imprisoned the Family of Blood in nightmarish eternal punishments for angering him - decides that this is the guy he'll spare, basically because they're old mates so it doesn't matter if he killed a few lousy people. I think we're supposed to read it as the Doctor being - I mean, there's no other way to say it - Christlike and benevolent such that he'll forgive even the worst sinner, but read against how capricious and vengeful he's been to earlier villains it's impossible to read as anything other than him making an exception for a fellow member of the Old Boys' Club. The Master is a war criminal on a scale beyond imagining, utterly unrepentant, takes an open glee in the murder and suffering of others, and more than that his sins aren't the Doctor's really to forgive: the Doctor was kept captive in poor conditions for a year in the secure knowledge that this was part of his plan, but considers it his natural right to forgive the Master for the uncountable numbers of people who were exterminated, enslaved, tortured and eviscerated in the meantime. Not only does he want to forgive him, he'd like to travel around the universe with him and become good friends! It's pure arrogance, but the framing absolutely wants the viewer to read it as the height of beatific virtue. The whole sequence is Godawful and for my money one of the worst things RTD's ever written.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Yeah that's true, like how John Smith set up Yana nicely. This is a nitpicky thing and it doesn't really effect my enjoyment of the episode at all, but it has always bugged me... how did the Master conveniently end up with the name Yana, perfectly lined up to work with the "You Are Not Alone" hint? I guess in some ways, it's a closed loop, as The Face of Boe was around for the reveal as Jack, and so knew what he had to say, but still. thexerox123 fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Oct 2, 2014 |
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Oct 2, 2014 16:36
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thexerox123 posted:This is a nitpicky thing and it doesn't really effect my enjoyment of the episode at all, but it has always bugged me... how did the Master conveniently end up with the name Yana, perfectly lined up to work with the "You Are Not Alone" hint? You've got the cause and effect backwards. Jack knew the Master used the name Yana, and so told the Doctor "You Are Not Alone" to try to hint that Yana was the Master. I assume he couldn't tell him outright because then the Doctor might never go to Utopia at all and it would create a paradox.
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Jurgan posted:You've got the cause and effect backwards. Jack knew the Master used the name Yana, and so told the Doctor "You Are Not Alone" to try to hint that Yana was the Master. I assume he couldn't tell him outright because then the Doctor might never go to Utopia at all and it would create a paradox. Yeah... it just works out a bit too conveniently for me, I guess.
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Well the Doctor didn't go to school with those spider babies or the family of blood. And yes this episode is so terrible. Jesus Doctor is the worst thing ever to appear in Doctor Who, I hate it more than pavement blowjobs even.
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Oct 2, 2014 16:43
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I don't think The Doctor was offering to be The Master's friend, I was interpreting it more as "I will keep him prisoner in the TARDIS and I will try to make him see reason". And it isn't just that they know each other, there's also the last remaining other member of the species he thought he'd wiped out thing.
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marktheando posted:Well the Doctor didn't go to school with those spider babies or the family of blood. Yeah, exactly. He and the Master both went to Space-Eton, so he supposes he can overlook a few silly genocides, don't you know. God. That ending! Irony Be My Shield posted:I don't think The Doctor was offering to be The Master's friend, I was interpreting it more as "I will keep him prisoner in the TARDIS and I will try to make him see reason". The Doctor describes it as "I'll have someone to care for", wistfully describes, "all the things we've been through together, you and me," and then there's the whole cradling him in his arms, overcome with grief at his being shot, desperately rooting for him to live bit. The overwhelming impression is that he privileges the life of even the most debased and vile member of his own species over any amount of human lives lost. Android Blues fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Oct 2, 2014 |
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I don't think The Doctor was offering to be The Master's friend, I was interpreting it more as "I will keep him prisoner in the TARDIS and I will try to make him see reason". Yeah, and also, The Master is also a Time Lord and could likely figure out a way from Mirror-Tartarus Scarecrow Chain Pit Land. It would probably be safer to lock him up in the TARDIS than risk him being let loose upon the universe and the Doctor has no idea where or when he is.
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Pyroi posted:Yeah, and also, The Master is also a Time Lord and could likely figure out a way from Mirror-Tartarus Scarecrow Chain Pit Land. It would probably be safer to lock him up in the TARDIS than risk him being let loose upon the universe and the Doctor has no idea where or when he is. The Master has escaped from being burned alive by an erupting volcano and from being stranded on a planet that will explode in seconds. Frankly, all of the options mean that he's going to get out sooner rather than later. Which actually brings us to a point raised in the episode that hasn't been mentioned yet. It's a callback to the old show and isn't explained, but it's also a major part of the characterization of the Master in these episodes. See, originally the Master was played by Roger Delgado as a kind of scifi Bond villain. He was loads of fun and over-the-top and hammy and then he died in a car accident. So the show put the character away for about six years and when he returned it was a really big deal; one of the foundational cornerstones for backstory of the Doctor Who universe. The Master now looked like a skeletal burn victim and was trying to discover how to live forever. His attempts to permanently cheat death became the focus of the next few stories he was involved in and returned as a motivation in several more stories. Which makes this a really round about way to say, "That's what the Doctor was going on about when he was trying to talk the Master down after the Doctor did the Jesus thing."
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There is another way to look at it, the Doctor offering to be a friend and forgiving him and generally being a better person is the worst possible thing for the Master and in that way the Doctor is torturing him. The Doctor wins AGAIN and you can't do anything about it.
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Jerusalem posted:I think RTD himself only threw it in because he thought it would make for a great "haha, really?" bit (Martha and the Doctor both consider the idea and humorously reject it) and didn't really think about any long-term implications. Doctor Who fans, being what we are, obsess over the minutiae while RTD seemed to just consider it a fun line/concept to throw out there and then move on to other stuff without a second glance. So you're saying it's basically concrete blowjob mk.2
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So now I get to post this song from Chameleon Circuit. Pretty much their whole thing is writing songs about Doctor Who set from the characters' (mostly the Doctor's, but this one is from the Master's, and there's a funny one from K-9's) point of view. Some of them are obviously spoilery, so I wouldn't blindly listen to them until you're completely caught up, but this one is one of my favorites and it's about the finale that y'all just finished. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjJWbtCShqo
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marktheando posted:Well the Doctor didn't go to school with those spider babies or the family of blood. The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > The TV IV > Oxxipation's Doctor Who Review: I hate it more than pavement blowjobs even
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marktheando posted:Well the Doctor didn't go to school with those spider babies or the family of blood. Pretty much. All three season have had two-parters that started great, but plummeted somewhere during the second episode.
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I do like the idea of using the Archangel Network against the Master since it's basically how he managed to do everything he did, but did the Doctor really have to fly across the loving room? I mean really. But yeah, the Face of Boe reveal is great. Face of Boe is great, Jack is great, shazam, it's the same guy. I just like that.
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Jack being the Face of Boe is so, so stupid but in a glorious way. It makes no sense and all too much sense and I love it. Also, this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfPYlyQqCD8
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Actually why not just have the Archangel Network temporarily brainwash The Master to make him release The Doctor? Then at least it's doing something that we already know it can.Android Blues posted:The Doctor describes it as "I'll have someone to care for", wistfully describes, "all the things we've been through together, you and me," and then there's the whole cradling him in his arms, overcome with grief at his being shot, desperately rooting for him to live bit. The overwhelming impression is that he privileges the life of even the most debased and vile member of his own species over any amount of human lives lost.
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Tempo 119 posted:So you're saying it's basically concrete blowjob mk.2 Yep. RTD just does things like that, and it's frustrating... but then he delivers so well in other areas, plus his whole time in charge had this wonderful air of enthusiastic craziness. There are many, many legitimate things to complain about the way he ran and wrote the show, but in the end I always come down to the basic fact that (apart from Love and Monsters) I always had a ton of fun watching.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Actually why not just have the Archangel Network temporarily brainwash The Master to make him release The Doctor? Then at least it's doing something that we already know it can. I don't think it's so much that he lets the Master go (or doesn't kill him) as that he personally forgives him. It's one thing to decide you won't kill the only other survivor of your race. It's another to respond to genocide by saying that though you weren't one of the victims you won't hold it against them, and then acting as if that's the matter concluded. Of course I can buy it as the Doctor being hugely arrogant and disconnected, except that's clearly not what the script intended. He's meant to be the avatar of human good or whatever, and hopped up on ~the hope of the whole planet~. We're expected to be nodding along in sagely agreement.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:He privileges the only other member of the same species that exists in the entire universe (and possibly his last chance to not be alone), sure. I don't think that's overly strange, a situation as extreme as that is going to massively manipulate your emotions. I really don't get the people who think it's not in line with the doctor's character. Of course the doctor forgives the master. He's the only other time lord in existence. I mean, not that it's ever been hinted that the doctor might get lonely or anything.... Same thing with the homo-eroticism argument. Sure they act close, but it always seemed way more like a brotherly relationship. They grew up together and even though they disagree entirely on just about everything, they can't get rid of the connection, and underneath it all they love one another, and matter more than people outside their family do. The tone of Their fights always seemed more like brotherly fights than romantic tiff or whatnot too.
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Yeah, I read that as "I'm not going to let you drag me down into an endless feud that keeps on loving planets like you just hosed this one". It's pretty clear that the Doctor doesn't propose to let the Master get away with anything he's done: he's still going to give him a life sentence in the TARDIS, and he's going to deny him the satisfaction of being bitter rivals into the bargain.
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With permission from Toxx and from Annakie I'm going to be running Guess the review game Excitement! Drama! At least one prize! You've had three seasons to see what Toxxupation thinks of Dr Who, so nows a chance to show how well you've worked him out. Heres how its going to work, everyone who wants to play sends an e-mail to toxxtorwho@gmail.com with a list of what grades they believe each episode will receive, starting from "Partners in crime" and ending with "End of time pt2" so a total of 18 scores. The deadline to submit this is Toxx putting up his Partners in Crime review. Each player is then scored on how far away their chosen mark was from the mark given, so if you guess A and Toxx picks A you score 0, if he picks B you score 1 and so on. At the end of the season the person with the lowest score is the winner. First place will win a forums upgrade of their choice from me. The Rules 1) DO NOT DISCUSS WHAT YOU THINK TOXX IS GOING TO RATE AN EPISODE BEFORE HE DOES! building up or lowering expectations is pretty spoilery in and of itself and ruins the purpose of this thread, don't do it. 2) Don't otherwise try and influence the review/grade. Again it ruins the point of the thread. I've agreed that Toxx, Occ & Annakie have veto privileges as well so if it does start ruining the thread the plug will be pulled. 3) Submissions by e-mail only, definitely not in thread. All submissions in the body text of the e-mail should have the first line being your username then the next line being the grade of the first review and then each next review having a seperate line. e.g if I was really optimistic I might submit: Little_wh0re A A A and so on. I currently plan to put up running scores after each episode but that may change if it feels like its influencing the reviews. If you have a question then i'm pm-able, e-mail-able plus I keep up to date with this and the main Dr Who thread. Good Luck! Pocky In My Pocket fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Oct 3, 2014 |
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I'll buy whoever wins this thing a copy of the Greatest Game Ever Made, metal gear rising: revengeance, on Steam also I have a whole bunch of humble bundle codes i'll give out at litte_wh0re's discretion to other peeps who enter, those codes are: steamworld dig gunpoint (<-this game fuckin rules) gone home terraria the swapper (<-this is a game come highly recommended from oxx and me)
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Gunpoint does rule
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Huh, I should play Gone Home at some point before all the games start to come out about a month from now.
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So the Deadline for the Ocxxlottery is monday-ish? Now to decide, whether I can truly predict Toxxus mind or just send my personal scores in and wear the (probably high) score as badge of honour.
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It's sunday night, Oxx insists we watch 301 together so that means it'll be sunday night because i sincerely doubt I'll be doing a review on friday night because of smash
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