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Justin_Brett
Oct 23, 2012

GAMERDOME put down LOSER
Not really. I'm only gonna watch the second episode to see if Yukari's character is good at all. I do not begrudge anyone dropping it right away.

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gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

Wark Say posted:

While I still wasn't a goon when it first aired (even if I started lurking around that time), didn't a few goons also dismissed Psycho-Pass altogether due the first two episodes being piss-poor and underwhelming respectively? I mean, I have no guarantees that this Cross Ange thing is going to be good (some dudes already reported back and said it was boring, :stare: factor non-withstanding), but shouldn't we give it a 3-episode test at the very least?

Oh for sure. It was like when a show about blatant pedophilia aired, and adtrw was all 'hey that's gross, don't talk about pedo poo poo here' but I knew that I should give it a chance because it was always possible that it could be the best anime ever made.

HellCopter
Feb 9, 2012
College Slice

Wark Say posted:

While I still wasn't a goon when it first aired (even if I started lurking around that time), didn't a few goons also dismissed Psycho-Pass altogether due the first two episodes being piss-poor and underwhelming respectively? I mean, I have no guarantees that this Cross Ange thing is going to be good (some dudes already reported back and said it was boring, :stare: factor non-withstanding), but shouldn't we give it a 3-episode test at the very least?

Oh, does Psycho-Pass actually get better after those two episodes? I dropped it at that point.

And, well, anal-fisting prison rape is usually a safe reason to drop a show. And I've recommended people Monogatari before with the caveat of "ignore it when the protagonist molests the little girl."

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 17, 2004

Psycho pass became okay. It's not great or anything but it was watchable.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

HellCopter posted:

Oh, does Psycho-Pass actually get better after those two episodes? I dropped it at that point.

And, well, anal-fisting prison rape is usually a safe reason to drop a show. And I've recommended people Monogatari before with the caveat of "ignore it when the protagonist molests the little girl."

That's usually a sign that you should not recommend something to people, or even watch it yourself.

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Eh. I could see Cross Ange working out as the season's trainwreck anime. I laughed quite a bit at how completely the main character was a dead ringer for a stereotypical fanfiction mary sue, complete with literally every other character surrounding her at all times constantly commenting on how great and amazing and perfect she is. Plus it was pretty great when they had the night scene with her cheerfully going "man it would be really awesome if all the norma just dropped dead" and then the very next morning she finds out that she's a norma, with the mother who she told to "just give up your dumb inhuman baby for the good of society, and have another not norma baby!" laughing at her on tv and going "yeah serves you right bitch." It was just so beautifully hamfisted that I had to laugh.

Maybe I'm just desperate for something to fill the hilariously terrible hole in my heart that Valvrave Season 1 left.

Paracelsus
Apr 6, 2009

bless this post ~kya

ninjewtsu posted:

Eh. I could see Cross Ange working out as the season's trainwreck anime. I laughed quite a bit at how completely the main character was a dead ringer for a stereotypical fanfiction mary sue, complete with literally every other character surrounding her at all times constantly commenting on how great and amazing and perfect she is. Plus it was pretty great when they had the night scene with her cheerfully going "man it would be really awesome if all the norma just dropped dead" and then the very next morning she finds out that she's a norma, with the mother who she told to "just give up your dumb inhuman baby for the good of society, and have another not norma baby!" laughing at her on tv and going "yeah serves you right bitch." It was just so beautifully hamfisted that I had to laugh.

Maybe I'm just desperate for something to fill the hilariously terrible hole in my heart that Valvrave Season 1 left.
Geass and Valverave felt like there was at least some drive behind them. Cross Ange felt phoned in even worse than Sacred Seven.

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Yeah don't get me wrong, Cross Ange isn't anywhere near as, uh

as much of an experience as Valverave was.

OneDeadman
Oct 16, 2010

[SUPERBIA]
Valrave was dope because it had L-Elf. the most unpronounceable name.

Also, it treated it's rape scene like it was actually something terrible for everybody even though I'm pretty sure it just gets turned into a bullet point like 2 episodes later

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

The rape scene in Valverave was bad, lets not make any excuses there. The plot was basically written so the rapist could preform the act of rape without actually being held accountable, which is pretty hosed up.

But I'm pretty sure it wasn't a blatantly fanservicy scene, so that does put it up above Cross Ange, I guess, though still indefensible.

In fact maybe trying to rank different rape scenes as being less bad than each other isn't the best idea, because unlike the rest of Valverave and Cross Ange, it's just creepy, not funny.

ninjewtsu fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Oct 6, 2014

Mercrom
Jul 17, 2009

MrLonghair posted:

Cinescope. 16:9 sucked on 4:3/5:4 CRT and LCD, 2.35:1 on 16:9 enhances the experience. See 1886 on the PS4 for an example of a game doing it for the sake of filmic feel, doesn't work for everybody though.
Why would you do this? I'm in the minority since I watch all my TV shows on a projector, so for me it's not really a problem of losing screen space, but I still can't imagine ever wishing I could watch the latest lovely porn game adaptation in a more "cinematic" form factor.

Also what was so horrible about the first two episodes of Psycho-Pass?

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Mercrom posted:

Also what was so horrible about the first two episodes of Psycho-Pass?

The main character makes a bad first impression without the context later episodes provide about the setting. Also, the dark tone was kind of overplayed.

The reason it's being mentioned here specifically is probably because the first episode's plot involved rape (though I don't think the way it was handled is comparable to Cross Ange).

Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Oct 6, 2014

Pyronic
Oct 1, 2008

ROYAL RAINWHARRGARBL
So Shingeki no Bahamut ~Genesis~ either blew all its budget in the action scenes in the first episode, or this could actually be really entertaining for what is I guess a card game tiein?

Way better characterization and action than I was expecting at all.

devtesla
Jan 2, 2012


Grimey Drawer

Pyronic posted:

So Shingeki no Bahamut ~Genesis~ either blew all its budget in the action scenes in the first episode, or this could actually be really entertaining for what is I guess a card game tiein?

Way better characterization and action than I was expecting at all.

When you consider the production staff (director of Tiger and Bunny, writer of The Big O, produced by the guy who headed Madhouse when they were good) it actually shouldn't be surprising that this is worth watching. If it wasn't a card game tie in there would probably be more hype, but past the opening sequence that's all contextless magic nonsense this is so so loving good. Bunch of great characters, in smart action sequences with lots of fun gags.

Like, you guys think Chaika is good? Chaka's got nothing on this.

devtesla fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Oct 6, 2014

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
I haven't watched it yet, but my understanding of Grisaia is that it's about dating a bevy of hot anime babes all with different body types and different stock personalities, and you are an ex-special forces mercenary. Is that the extent of the appeal?






...



Yo gently caress it let's stimulate my lizard brain.

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 17, 2004

Phobophilia posted:

I haven't watched it yet, but my understanding of Grisaia is that it's about dating a bevy of hot anime babes all with different body types and different stock personalities, and you are an ex-special forces mercenary. Is that the extent of the appeal?






...



Yo gently caress it let's stimulate my lizard brain.

They all have a variety of different psychological traumas and ~dark pasts~, including the protagonist, and he helps them work through their poo poo. Well, before that happens, it's a mostly aimless high school comedy with a pretty hosed up sense of humor at times.

devtesla
Jan 2, 2012


Grimey Drawer
Edit: wrong post

aers
Feb 15, 2012

Shingeki no Bahamut was given a massive budget by the creators/owners of the card game. This info's from a magazine or internet news article, I can't remember which.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

I can't wait to take a look at Fate:Staynacht in the morning...

HiveCommander
Jun 19, 2012

DiabloCthulhu posted:

Whatever you say, Cap'n.

So far, outside of several pantyshots (that weren't in the VN; irrc, there were no pantyshots at all in the VN), no.


Personally, I loved Grisaia VN for the badassery of the MC (and his personality), comedy, characters and the chemistry between them. The Amane's and Makina's routes were also really good (with Sachi's being decent and Michiru's & Sakaki's pretty much sucking rear end).

And yeah, as people have said, it's not a dating sim so the porn is not the point (and it's indeed 10+ (I'd even say 15+) hours of reading before you even get to that stuff).

The two routes I never bothered to get around to doing were the best? I should probably get onto that before the anime spoils it for me. Speaking of, they're really turning the crazy up to 11 on all the girls in the last few minutes. They weren't that openly nuts in the VN.

Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

They all have a variety of different psychological traumas and ~dark pasts~, including the protagonist, and he helps them work through their poo poo. Well, before that happens, it's a mostly aimless high school comedy with a pretty hosed up sense of humor at times.

There's nothing wrong with the humour :colbert: Lover of rubber? Dutch wife?

Blhue
Apr 22, 2008

Fallen Rib
I'm gonna be upset if the "I am a golden God" scene isn't animated.

cheesetriangles
Jan 5, 2011





Cross Ange: :iit:

My friend told me to watch it because it was supposed to be some kind of SEED rip off and and wow what the gently caress was that.

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Your friend is a bad person.

cheesetriangles
Jan 5, 2011





He said it was a bit fan servicey which you know whatever but then the stuff with the baby and then the end and oh god. :ohdear:

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

The stuff with the baby was (unintentionally) hilarious and probably the high point of the episode

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit

Phobophilia posted:

I haven't watched it yet, but my understanding of Grisaia is that it's about dating a bevy of hot anime babes all with different body types and different stock personalities, and you are an ex-special forces mercenary. Is that the extent of the appeal?






...



Yo gently caress it let's stimulate my lizard brain.

Aaand out came the dynamite and lockpicks and utility knives, I'm down for Akuma no Riddle v2 with a harem MC.

DiabloCthulhu
Mar 23, 2013

HiveCommander posted:

The two routes I never bothered to get around to doing were the best?
Indeed they were. Well, at least I think so. Though the general consensus is also that those two routes are the best.

HiveCommander posted:

Speaking of, they're really turning the crazy up to 11 on all the girls in the last few minutes. They weren't that openly nuts in the VN.
No, they weren't. And that's the thing I didn't really liked (aside from unnecessary pantyshots and how faces (and scenes in general) were drawn derpy at times), especially with Amane. VN spoiler regarding Amane and her route: They all but outright said that Amane knows Kazuki (8bit, that's not how teasing works). I much more liked the VN approach where they subtly (I'd even say "very") hinted at it at the start and it's only much much later on (when you're on Amane's route, most likely) that you get hit by "Aha!" realisation.

DiabloCthulhu fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Oct 6, 2014

Gyra_Solune
Apr 24, 2014

Kyun kyun
Kyun kyun
Watashi no kare wa louse
my mecha curse compels me to continue with Cross Ange but it's certainly not a guarantee that I'll stick with it to the end, even Daimidaler and Dai-Shogun were terrible enough for me to drop a few episodes in

That said Valvrave went from a glorious trainwreck to boring awfulness so...

the baby cage thing was hilarious though, they're treating this stupid toddler like it's a nuclear bomb and it's pretty amazing

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Two more days until Miku is on Letterman.

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

The Devil Tesla posted:

When you consider the production staff (director of Tiger and Bunny, writer of The Big O, produced by the guy who headed Madhouse when they were good) it actually shouldn't be surprising that this is worth watching. If it wasn't a card game tie in there would probably be more hype, but past the opening sequence that's all contextless magic nonsense this is so so loving good. Bunch of great characters, in smart action sequences with lots of fun gags.

Like, you guys think Chaika is good? Chaka's got nothing on this.

You got me all excited with that writer comment since it made me think Chiaki J Konaka was writing an anime again :negative:

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry

SSNeoman posted:

It's a giant robot anime from Sunrise. Of course people are gonna give it a chance.

The Devil Tesla posted:

They shouldn't.
Yeah I'm fairly perplexed by this whole escapade. We've seen some pretty vile dreck in these threads before, most of was punted into the ether to be forgotten. How many people will it take to exclaim the equivalent of ":gonk:" before we do the same here?

Pyronic
Oct 1, 2008

ROYAL RAINWHARRGARBL

Nate RFB posted:

Yeah I'm fairly perplexed by this whole escapade. We've seen some pretty vile dreck in these threads before, most of was punted into the ether to be forgotten. How many people will it take to exclaim the equivalent of ":gonk:" before we do the same here?

I think a lot of people are willing to forgive more than they should for ARMED FLYING MOTORCYCLES THAT TURN INTO MECHS FIGHTING DRAGONS.

Ghosts n Gopniks
Nov 2, 2004

Imagine how much more sad and lonely we would be if not for the hard work of lowtax. Here's $12.95 to his aid.

The Devil Tesla posted:

Like, you guys think Chaika is good?

Best eyebrows in anime post-FLCL

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

YIKES Stay Gooned posted:

Two more days until Miku is on Letterman.

It's gonna be so bad. :( and I say that as someone who likes and listens to Vocaloid poo poo pretty regularly.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

my favorite part of cross ange is that the people calling it literally the worst thing ever made by human hands on anime news network (they're probably not far off mind) still have to cheerily link to the crunchyroll stream of it at the end of their articles



quote:

Cross Ange is living proof that there are men in the world who hate hate hate women, and that is and should always be deeply upsetting. It is the strongest concentrated case of cynical misogyny I have yet seen in anime...

CROSS ANGE Rondo of Angel and Dragon is available streaming on Crunchyroll.

Malloc Voidstar
May 7, 2007

Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.

a kitten posted:

It's gonna be so bad. :( and I say that as someone who likes and listens to Vocaloid poo poo pretty regularly.
Instead of watching it, watch the Twitter reactions to it

HiveCommander
Jun 19, 2012

DiabloCthulhu posted:

Indeed they were. Well, at least I think so. Though the general consensus is also that those two routes are the best.

No, they weren't. And that's the thing I didn't really liked (aside from unnecessary pantyshots and how faces (and scenes in general) were drawn derpy at times), especially with Amane. VN spoiler regarding Amane and her route: They all but outright said that Amane knows Kazuki (8bit, that's not how teasing works). I much more liked the VN approach where they subtly (I'd even say "very") hinted at it at the start and it's only much much later on (when you're on Amane's route, most likely) that you get hit by "Aha!" realisation.

Since I haven't done Amane's route I got hit with that spoiler in the first episode, so I'm pretty compelled to go through it right now so it doesn't screw with the (admittedly pretty good) pacing the VN has.
Chiruchiru's scatterbrained personality came across pretty well though, and her whole scene felt very SHAFT-esque which was cool, but you can tell that the animation budget went to Sakakai (surprising really, I expected it to all be packed into Amane's chest. I guess they can't really do that when it's censored though :v:).

DiabloCthulhu
Mar 23, 2013

HiveCommander posted:

so I'm pretty compelled to go through it right now so it doesn't screw with the (admittedly pretty good) pacing the VN has.
And also so you don't get spoiled on anything else.

HiveCommander posted:

and her whole scene felt very SHAFT-esque which was cool
Akio Watanabe is the animation director so that's to be expected.

Chiruchiru was also gloriously animated. I wouldn't be surprised if Dogakobo helped out a little.

DiabloCthulhu fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Oct 6, 2014

devtesla
Jan 2, 2012


Grimey Drawer

Endorph posted:

my favorite part of cross ange is that the people calling it literally the worst thing ever made by human hands on anime news network (they're probably not far off mind) still have to cheerily link to the crunchyroll stream of it at the end of their articles

Of course Theron Martin liked it.

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Sir Gladu
Nov 26, 2008

Here comes the "gently caress you Theron Martin" moment of the season :

quote:

While that scene is edgy and probably could have been done in a less fan servicey way, it is not entirely exploitive or gratuitous because a) body cavity searches are a fairly standard prison entry procedure; b) it was karmic justice for Angelise's earlier comments about Norma being “monsters,” and c) the humiliation serves the narrative purpose of stripping her of her lingering princess attitudes.

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