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OMG are looking just fantastic. If (when, really) they win this series I strongly anticipate seeing them in the final. edit: Najin decide to blow everything on San, who is 0/1. Somehow this doesn't work out. occipitallobe fucked around with this message at 12:20 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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Gogoing is either ridiculously good or playing the series of his life, holy poo poo. 
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Oct 6, 2014 12:19
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Gogoing is a total monster holy christ. That presence of mind to go after Nami there because he knew Mao had no way out, jeeez
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Oct 6, 2014 12:19
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occipitallobe posted:OMG are looking just fantastic. If (when, really) they win this series I strongly anticipate seeing them in the final. I'm dying to see who wins between Uzi and Gogoing. Which player can put a team on their backs more? Also goddamn, on that note, Gogoing is an absolute god. DO NOT GIVE HIM RYZE EVER.
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Ihki, a week ago posted:I wish OMG had a good support player so I wouldn't feel so guilty rooting for them 
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Watch playing hilariously bad in fights and yet manages to be incredible at stealing things.
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Oct 6, 2014 12:21
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Gogoing Road to Worlds made me a fan, but this series affirmed that.
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TyrantWD posted:Gogoing Yeah, he came off as an all-round good dude in that video, though I suppose that was the point.
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Oct 6, 2014 12:25
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Disinterested posted:Yeah, he came off as an all-round good dude in that video, though I suppose that was the point. Plus, seriously, look at his chin. Oh man, this 3-0. China is gonna be so happy today.
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Oct 6, 2014 12:27
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Thank god for a China-Korea final. It adds a lot of drama that a Korea-Korea final would lack.
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Oct 6, 2014 12:30
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Haha, that kha'zix mid jump reverse flash at the end
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AHH FUGH posted:Thank god for a China-Korea final. It adds a lot of drama that a Korea-Korea final would lack. This. Thank god for a Chinese team that looks strong enough to do something versus Blue/White, too. Seriously, though, from losing to LMQ to 3-0ing Najin. Night and day.
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OMG often had no more than 2-3 wards down, but that team fighting is just so on point that it didn't matter.
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Gogoing ia a god. NJWS was mindfucked the entire time.
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Oct 6, 2014 12:32
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So I guess everyone who thought NA was stronger than China looks silly now, hm? 
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Gogoing, Cool, and Lovelin are the gods of their position in China, but I always feel really bad for San. The guy is heavily underrated in his own region, his only crime is that he's not Uzi or Namei. He's an extremely good and consistent ADC in global context and would be a top one in EU or NA.
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I don't remember OMG looking particularly special in groups, but that was a pretty comprehensive outplay (and complete top lane stomp) every game by OMG.
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Lightning Knight posted:So I guess everyone who thought NA was stronger than China looks silly now, hm? Not really. Wait for the finals and see how the best of China performs against Korea and then we'll see.
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Lightning Knight posted:So I guess everyone who thought NA was stronger than China looks silly now, hm? Those were the same people who, when cloud9 took one game from Samsung Blue, said "I don't think even White could beat this team, maybe NA will win Worlds afterall". American fans are really loving stupid. Transient People posted:Not really. Wait for the finals and see how the best of China performs against Korea and then we'll see. You realise NJWS are Korean right?
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AHH FUGH posted:Krepo dropping the F bomb This isn't American broadcast television, why would anyone care 
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Woah, so apparently Kakao and Rookie are leaving KTA and they want to go to China!! I find this really surprising, I thought the situation for pro players in China was really bad, but maybe I'm wrong about that.
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Sexpansion posted:Woah, so apparently Kakao and Rookie are leaving KTA and they want to go to China!! Apparently they don't need to practice as hard in China. poo poo man, Korea must be like prison time if players want to go to teams with huge language barriers just to take a break.
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seizure later posted:Those were the same people who, when cloud9 took one game from Samsung Blue, said "I don't think even White could beat this team, maybe NA will win Worlds afterall". And they looked pretty shaky all groups stage long compared to the Samsungs, especially White. I don't think anybody can argue this. Like I said, wait until China's best meets Korea's best (emphasis on best here - the third best team is considerably worse than the rest in every region except China from what we've seen. Nobody takes LMQ to consistently beat C9 and TSM, or White Shield to beat Blue and White, or SK to beat Fnatic and Alliance). Then draw conclusions from that once you have all the data.
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Transient People posted:And they looked pretty shaky all groups stage long compared to the Samsungs, especially White. I don't think anybody can argue this. Like I said, wait until China's best meets Korea's best (emphasis on best here - the third best team is considerably worse than the rest in every region except China from what we've seen. Nobody takes LMQ to consistently beat C9 and TSM, or White Shield to beat Blue and White, or SK to beat Fnatic and Alliance). Then draw conclusions from that once you have all the data. OMG are the third seed Chinese team and they just 3-0'd NJWS. Do you think LMQ would do the same? That's the point here.
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Transient People posted:SK to beat Fnatic and Alliance). Then draw conclusions from that once you have all the data. I think most people put SK over Fnatic prior to Svenskeren's ban. Also C9 went 1 - 2 in their 3 games against Shield sooo ? And you don't think this OMG team can take a game from White if they feed the same amount of early kills they did vs TSM in game 3 ?
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Savage Cracker posted:I think most people put SK over Fnatic prior to Svenskeren's ban. Also C9 went 1 - 2 in their 3 games against Shield sooo ? And you don't think this OMG team can take a game from White if they feed the same amount of early kills they did vs TSM in game 3 ? We'll see. I think this OMG team is very volatile. Cloud was benched because he was loving disastrous for team morale. If OMG starts losing the first two games, they may tilt sideways with this support, at which point they might end up getting swept. It's too early to speculate because we don't know if they can hold it together in the finals...or indeed if they can get past Uzi's squad.
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Transient People posted:We'll see. I think this OMG team is very volatile. Cloud was benched because he was loving disastrous for team morale. If OMG starts losing the first two games, they may tilt sideways with this support, at which point they might end up getting swept. It's too early to speculate because we don't know if they can hold it together in the finals...or indeed if they can get past Uzi's squad.
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Transient People posted:And they looked pretty shaky all groups stage long compared to the Samsungs, especially White. I don't think anybody can argue this. Like I said, wait until China's best meets Korea's best (emphasis on best here - the third best team is considerably worse than the rest in every region except China from what we've seen. Nobody takes LMQ to consistently beat C9 and TSM, or White Shield to beat Blue and White, or SK to beat Fnatic and Alliance). Then draw conclusions from that once you have all the data. NJWS was good enough to beat C9 more often than not, and then got beat down by third seed Chinese team. Unless OMG was robbed seed-wise and smashes EDG/SHRC, it's looking like China has the edge for now. That said, the trend so far has definitely been China being a bit of a wildcard as far as region powerlevels. I'd hesitate to say that they're better than NA or worse. About the only definitive things I'd be willing to say is that right now EU is the bottom of the barrel and Korea is the top. We'll see in the finals if that changes.
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ilifinicus posted:What's more disastrous for team morale - bronze tier support play (dada) or godlike toxic support? The one that makes you lose the game that counts. Taciturn Tactician posted:NJWS was good enough to beat C9 more often than not, and then got beat down by third seed Chinese team. Unless OMG was robbed seed-wise and smashes EDG/SHRC, it's looking like China has the edge for now. That said, the trend so far has definitely been China being a bit of a wildcard as far as region powerlevels. I'd hesitate to say that they're better than NA or worse. About the only definitive things I'd be willing to say is that right now EU is the bottom of the barrel and Korea is the top. We'll see in the finals if that changes. This is my take on it, pretty much, especially if SHRC beats OMG, doubly so if it beats them clean. I think China can absolutely hang with Korea on a good day, but more often than not it won't because it seesaws between great and terrible depending on how much their teamfighting prowess keeps up with their horrible vision control (or doesn't). Both of the remaining korean teams have absolutely ludicrous supports who litter the map with wards and erase drat near everything the enemy team puts down. This can absolutely be a backbreaker for China, but we just can't tell if it will until we see how Game Day China and Game Day Korea perform.
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Transient People posted:The one that makes you lose the game that counts. Haven't seen the OMG games yet but I noticed the one thing China lacks is strong minion wave control when taking objectives or setting up for a fight. SHRC had also pretty poor vision and Baron bait setups. Not sure if this is a Chinese thing or just their team though.
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Before everyone gets on the loving 'China is amazing!' bandwagon, let's put things into perspective. 1) Saying 'OMG is a third seed' as if it means they're the third best team shows a big misunderstanding of the strength of Chinese teams. OMG was regarded coming in to worlds as having the best top, mid and jungler in China, with a fairly good passive AD and a trash support; OMG was on a big losing streak in China before they came to worlds because their support player, Dada, was so bad. Before they switched in Dada for Cloud, OMG was the LPL's dominant team last split, clearly the strongest team in the division. Cloud is much stronger than Dada, who is probably a worse player than some of the people ITT; Cloud had attitude issues, apparently. To put it another way, it's like xpecial never left TSM and TSM turned up to Worlds playing Gleeb, and then switched back to xpecial. Trying to use the argument 'this is how well the third best CN team did against Koreans!' to prove CN is strong is stupid - the lineup with Cloud, not Dada, that they used today is the best lineup in China. This is for people who say poo poo like: quote:OMG are the third seed Chinese team and they just 3-0'd NJWS. Do you think LMQ would do the same? That's the point here. You're retarded. This lineup is the best Chinese team, seeding be damned. 2) NJWS is understood to be a clear level below SSB and SSW, and NJWS qualified for Worlds on a crazy run where a lot of their players performed much better than they have before or since. Zefa and Watch have for a long time been regarded as weaker players carried by Save. The main reason that NJWS were able to outperform SKT and KTA to get to worlds is that Watch played on a significantly higher level than he had ever done previously in a tournament; Zefa also outperformed his usual standard. It is clear from worlds that those two players have not rediscovered that form - they just played the games of their lives in regionals. quote:So I guess everyone who thought NA was stronger than China looks silly now, hm? Not really. I think C9 and TSM probably could have beaten EDG, the LPL champions, and had a good 50/50 shot against SHRC. Plus, OMG has not showed anything like this level previously at this tournament, and the EDG and SHRC series was hot garbage with the amazing godlike play thrown in. You would have to psychically somehow know that OMG was going to go back to its old roster to know that a CN team with a clear edge (a more than 55-45 matchup) against an NA team was going to turn up at this tournament. The thing that this OMG lineup has going for it is that it has no weaknesses. Every NA and EU team is carrying at least one weak player; OMG with Cloud is carrying none. Mark my words though. Blue or White will gently caress these guys up. Disinterested fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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Bankerfox posted:I love it when good OMG shows up. This was the OMG I was expecting at Worlds all along. Glad the showed up.
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Korea vs Korea and China vs China! Come on, NA you had two chances to change this and make the Round of 4 more exciting and hosed it up! TSM lost to SK Gaming and Cloud9 lost to Alliance, then lost the tie-breaker. It could have forced more interesting matches 
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TowerofOil posted:This thread goes from sucking Korea's dick so hard when claiming bottom half OGN teams would place first in NA, to back pedaling as soon as a Korean loses talking about how said Korean team isn't actually any good and the win doesn't really count. Meanwhile Monte, king of the korean hype, was like "Man OMG trashed NJWS, go OMG I've got your t-shirt!"
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TowerofOil posted:This thread goes from sucking Korea's dick so hard when claiming bottom half OGN teams would place first in NA, to back pedaling as soon as a Korean loses talking about how said Korean team isn't actually any good and the win doesn't really count. Bandwagoning is what happens on forums. But most serious analysis about NWS having a good worlds run has always been conditional on the Watch + Zefa from regionals continuing their run of uncharacteristic form from regionals into finals, and this didn't happen. Monte has been saying it since before worlds: NWS can only do well if those two continue on their regionals level, because they have been mediocre for most of their careers. Note that I didn't say anywhere that the 'win doesn't count'. The whole point of my post was to try to put the win in to the correct perspective e.g. it's not the third best Chinese team beating the 3rd best Korean team, more like the best Chinese team beating a team that is very streaky and probably on average is not the 3rd best team in Korea. (That title probably belonged to KTA, who have now broken up and would have been at worlds if Korea had the same qualification system as NA or EU). The whole point of a post like that is to try to stop people bandwagoning really far in either direction, and get people back to what they already innately know, which is KR>CN (by still a pretty good amount), CN>NA (but not by too much) NA?>???EU???>SEA>Dark Passage.
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Reminder that if Riot hadn't introduced residency requirements we would likely have Shy/KaKao/Rookie or Ryu/Piglet/Madlife in the promotion tournament Edit: vv archduke.iago fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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Actually the confirmed players who wanted to make an NA team were Shy/Ryu/Madlife. If the players you mentioned had come to NA I would have had a heart attack, though.
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Disinterested posted:If the players you mentioned had come to NA I would have had a heart attack, though. hahahah yeah that team might do okay in NA
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