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majormonotone posted:If you're doing a challenge run or Nuzlocke of some sort than they can be useful to get past fights that would otherwise be extremely dangerous or nearly impossible. Whitney in HG/SS immediately springs to mind. I hate Whitney so much. Even getting a gastly doesn't help anymore, because they gave the drat cow Scrappy.
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Silegna posted:I hate Whitney so much. Even getting a gastly doesn't help anymore, because they gave the drat cow Scrappy. I found that having a Geodude with Rock smash tends to neuter the thing pretty well, since that's damage that will quickly grow beyond its ability to Milk Drink back.
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Oct 8, 2014 22:07
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TheKingofSprings posted:All the Unova leaders are pretty great. Saying Brycen sucks is the proof you haven't played B2W2, or at least, haven't gone through Pokestar if you did play them. Seriously Brycen in B2W2 is great and I love how he's returned to his movie star roots (which are mentioned in BW!)
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Oct 9, 2014 01:46
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thefailtrain posted:I found that having a Geodude with Rock smash tends to neuter the thing pretty well, since that's damage that will quickly grow beyond its ability to Milk Drink back. Yeah, I know, that's what I ended up doing.
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Oct 9, 2014 05:09
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Personally, I can't say that Whitney's that much of problem once you're out of the ten year old approach to the game. Now Juan's double team spamming Kingdra with rest and a chesto berry on the other hand...  But yeah, Drayden is amazing and the only dragon-type specialist I actually like, and his gym is pretty much the best in the series thus far as far as I'm concerned. Tonlim fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Oct 9, 2014 |
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Oct 9, 2014 07:38
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Tonlim posted:Personally, I can't say that Whitney's that much of problem once you're out of the ten year old approach to the game. Because his gym encourages what we already do. Killing everything in our way.
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Oct 9, 2014 13:56
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Chorocojo posted:Yeah, two bros got into a fight over a broad and when they both showed up they had a little bit of a throwdown and long story short Zekrom bugged out after striking the two guys Camaros with lightning. Also Reshiram was there. Yeah I know it. Brought up on that story. This might be the funniest thing in this LP. The accent just makes it.
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Oct 9, 2014 18:00
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Man, that wrasslin' Gym Leader makes me wish there were Trainer Moves. Like, in addition to your Pokemon's you've got a roster of them too. I suppose items kind of take that role.
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Oct 14, 2014 03:47
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Pokemon Conquest, conveniently from this very generation, has Trainer abilities similar to what you're talking about. Man, I wish someone would do a Pokemon Conquest LP... That game is so woefully underdocumented.
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Oct 14, 2014 11:31
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DjinnAndTonic posted:Pokemon Conquest, conveniently from this very generation, has Trainer abilities similar to what you're talking about. Man, I wish someone would do a Pokemon Conquest LP... That game is so woefully underdocumented. Actually, that raises a good question: are the spinoff games under the Pokemon rule as well?
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Oct 14, 2014 11:54
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Not really, since it gets very repetitive very quickly and after the main story the remaining 80% of the game is playing the same scenarios on the same maps retraining your Pokemon over and over until you can finally get your main character back. It would be fine as a screenshot lp, since you can skip out all the tedious crap, but it's still a long game. Would definitely want a 3DS sequel though, to hopefully fix the flaws of the first game. ^^^^ Wasn't the Pokemon rule justifiably enforced for a very... interesting PMD1 thread. Was slowbeef not a huggy person? 
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Oct 14, 2014 11:57
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Carlioo posted:Actually, that raises a good question: are the spinoff games under the Pokemon rule as well? Worth asking. Could loophole it by saying it's also totally a Nobunagas Ambition game.
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Glazius posted:Man, that wrasslin' Gym Leader makes me wish there were Trainer Moves. Like, in addition to your Pokemon's you've got a roster of them too. I suppose items kind of take that role.
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Oct 14, 2014 12:19
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InspectorCarbonara posted:If my Pokemon falls asleep I should be able to use wake up slap on it myself. I always end up poking the screen with the stylus, accidentally slapping my Pokemon in Amie. Feels bad when it happens. 
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Crosspeice posted:^^^^ Wasn't the Pokemon rule justifiably enforced for a very... interesting PMD1 thread. Was slowbeef not a huggy person? It was the PMD2 thread that veered into self-insert fanfic (moreso than the actual game itself does) that broke the camel's back. Even before that, though, there was kind of an unspoken moratorium on Pokemon LPs because they tend to bring out the worst, most low-effort shitthreads imaginable.
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KataraniSword posted:It was the PMD2 thread that veered into self-insert fanfic (moreso than the actual game itself does) that broke the camel's back. Even before that, though, there was kind of an unspoken moratorium on Pokemon LPs because they tend to bring out the worst, most low-effort shitthreads imaginable. I personally didn't see what all the fuss was about. I thought the guy playing had an honestly clever twist on the method of commentary. It didn't seem much different from the Sakura Wars LP, where the player added funny comments to the dialogue from the game. I was honestly looking forward to reading it, since I loved what he did with PMD1. As far as I can tell, the thread was shut down more due to the behavior of everyone else in the thread.
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Oct 14, 2014 18:19
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Wasn't everyone else starting to roleplay romantic relationships in the lp that caused it to get gassed? So really the LPer wasn't the only creepy one.
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Oct 14, 2014 22:28
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I just read through the remains of that LP in the archive. It was a couple pages of updates and near unanimous support, then a few goons decided to say HEY HOW DARE YOU PUT A CLEVER SPIN ON AN EXISTING NARRATIVE and raised such a stink that slowbeef had to step in. I never understood why some people act so immature, like saying "YOU LIKE SOMETHING MORE THAN I THINK YOU SHOULD, GET THE gently caress OUT OF THIS SUBFORUM" when they could have simply looked at the thread, seen something they dislike, and left.
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Oct 14, 2014 22:49
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HomestarCanter posted:I just read through the remains of that LP in the archive. It was a couple pages of updates and near unanimous support, then a few goons decided to say HEY HOW DARE YOU PUT A CLEVER SPIN ON AN EXISTING NARRATIVE and raised such a stink that slowbeef had to step in. I never understood why some people act so immature, like saying "YOU LIKE SOMETHING MORE THAN I THINK YOU SHOULD, GET THE gently caress OUT OF THIS SUBFORUM" when they could have simply looked at the thread, seen something they dislike, and left. A lot of words for defending a bad(even for LP forum standards) and creepy LP, guy with a ponytar
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Oct 14, 2014 23:35
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qnqnx posted:A lot of words for defending a bad(even for LP forum standards) and creepy LP, guy with a ponytar If you would like to explain to me why a fun narrative is "creepy" instead of using an ad hominem, be my guest.
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Oct 14, 2014 23:52
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HomestarCanter posted:If you would like to explain to me why a fun narrative is "creepy" instead of using an ad hominem, be my guest. I doubt your brain isn't warped enough to comprehend what is or not socially acceptable, pony boy. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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qnqnx posted:I doubt your brain isn't warped enough to comprehend what is or not socially acceptable, pony boy. 1) Good job proving his point 2) This has nothing to do with pokemon in even the most tangental manner
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VinnyDonuts posted:2) This has nothing to do with pokemon in even the most tangental manner 
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VinnyDonuts posted:1) Good job proving his point 1)lol 2)lol
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I mean, seriously defending a hella bad and creepy lp with equally creepy fans, only in a pokemin lp.
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VinnyDonuts posted:2) This has nothing to do with pokemon in even the most tangental manner So, I used to be pretty into pokemon, but my interest in playing the games petered out partway through Black 1. I appreciate those who LP them, so I can see the pokemon, moves, mechanics, and story that I can't be bothered to play any more.
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Blaziken386 posted:I second the notion for dropping this convo. No arguing! Instead, look at cute pokemans. I wish I could. I gave away my 3DS a while back so I'm mostly going on memory of X/Y but this LP reminds me that Pokemon games are actually surprisingly well put together mechanically...which makes some of the broken bridge design and other decade-ago-mechanics shortcomings seem weird.
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Testekill posted:Worth asking. Could loophole it by saying it's also totally a Nobunagas Ambition game. I asked Slowbeef if I could start a Conquest LP at about the same time the B/W1 LP got started, and he said that he didn't want to have to monitor 3 Pokémon LPs at once. I guess you could always do a sandcastle test. My biggest complaint about is that it combines the worst grinding habits of Pokémon games and the Dynasty Warriors series, so showing everything is going to be tedious. On the other hand, Pokémon Conquest was my gateway drug into the series, and it has enough neat ideas that I hope Koei gets a chance to revisit the series.
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I'll bet any of the LPers who worked on the various SRPG threads (like the multitude of Fire Emblem LPs) would be able to handle most of the interesting parts of the game at relatively little grinding. Alternately, it is a pokemon game, so I imagine some kind of hacking/save-editing/cheat-codes exists that could skip the tedious parts. Honestly, I'd like to see Choco give it a shot, but I don't think it'll happen given the track record of only doing main-line games.
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Blaziken386 posted:I second the notion for dropping this convo. No arguing! Instead, look at cute pokemans. Is it odd I can't see that picture? It says I can't view it. The file name says Joltik though.
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Oct 16, 2014 01:38
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Oh boy, you're leeching images off a 4chan-like. 
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KataraniSword posted:It was the PMD2 thread that veered into self-insert fanfic (moreso than the actual game itself does) that broke the camel's back.  I regret how I handled that. I tried what I thought was a clever gimmick--something I've been prone to in LPs both successful and failed--and got Helldumped for it. It's for the best, I think, that it died on the vine, but to this day I'll occasionally run into someone making a comment showing they just can't let it go.Since this is now Cute Pokemans Sharing Time, here are a few of the cutest fanarts I got from the first PMD thread, which avoided this gimmick and, I think, turned out pretty well:   And here's the cute pokemans Blaziken386 was trying to share: 
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HomestarCanter posted:So, I used to be pretty into pokemon, but my interest in playing the games petered out partway through Black 1. Gen 5 almost killed my interest in the Pokemon series, which has been one of my favorite series since Red and Blue came out when I was a kid. I didn't even bother going through Victory Road to the Elite 4 in Black 2, I hit the point where the story was done and said alright, this was terrible, I'm done. I almost didn't pick up X/Y, but I'm glad I did because it was really good and I'd recommend giving it a look! I'm glad Red is doing this LP, there's some aspects of the game I didn't do (like the flashback stuff and movie studio), although I still don't regret not playing Gen 5 fully.
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I'll probably have an update at some point this week. This thread gets updated when I get around to it, hence the slow roll of updates.MissileWaster posted:I didn't even bother going through Victory Road to the Elite 4 in Black 2, I hit the point where the story was done and said alright, this was terrible, I'm done. We're so close to the point where I just started cackling with how dumb it gets.  Granted I laughed harder at stupid points of X/Y, too. "Ahahahaha, someone sent it home in a tiny little coffin." "Oh my god he's wearing robot bees, why is he wearing robot bees?"
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MissileWaster posted:Gen 5 almost killed my interest in the Pokemon series, which has been one of my favorite series since Red and Blue came out when I was a kid. I didn't even bother going through Victory Road to the Elite 4 in Black 2, I hit the point where the story was done and said alright, this was terrible, I'm done. I almost didn't pick up X/Y, but I'm glad I did because it was really good and I'd recommend giving it a look! Ironically it was what got me back into it. The completely new monster set in the original black and white was like playing red and blue for the first time all over again. I won't argue that black and white 2 was significantly weaker though. It does have a nice postgame if you get that far though. Ditto on seeing all the flashback and pokestar stuff that I missed though.
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MissileWaster posted:Gen 5 almost killed my interest in the Pokemon series, which has been one of my favorite series since Red and Blue came out when I was a kid. I didn't even bother going through Victory Road to the Elite 4 in Black 2, I hit the point where the story was done and said alright, this was terrible, I'm done. I almost didn't pick up X/Y, but I'm glad I did because it was really good and I'd recommend giving it a look! I'm actually putting a lot of stock into ORAS, because I found Black 2 to be boring and Pokemon Y to be worse. I almost didn't bother finishing Pokemon Y, I just forced myself because I hate not finishing games. Plus I felt like it would be a waste of money otherwise. It's the ONLY Pokemon game where I didn't do a single post game quest. None at all. Even B2 I actually...I actually did every single one. It was like I couldn't stand the main game, but the post game all flowed to me.
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SonicRulez posted:I'm actually putting a lot of stock into ORAS, because I found Black 2 to be boring and Pokemon Y to be worse. I almost didn't bother finishing Pokemon Y, I just forced myself because I hate not finishing games. Plus I felt like it would be a waste of money otherwise. It's the ONLY Pokemon game where I didn't do a single post game quest. None at all. Even B2 I actually...I actually did every single one. It was like I couldn't stand the main game, but the post game all flowed to me. That's okay, there is no postgame content in Y. You did way more than you ever thought you did in that game.
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FoolyCharged posted:Ironically it was what got me back into it. The completely new monster set in the original black and white was like playing red and blue for the first time all over again. I won't argue that black and white 2 was significantly weaker though. It does have a nice postgame if you get that far though. Ditto on seeing all the flashback and pokestar stuff that I missed though. Whatever missteps Black/White made, I think it needed to be that different to draw players like me back into the fold. What I've seen of B/W2 on the other hand just seems insufferable.
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Artix posted:That's okay, there is no postgame content in Y. You did way more than you ever thought you did in that game. Judging by the one sperg I'm friends with, the postgame in X and Y is obsessively breeding shinies of everything.
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Add me to the list of people that had their interest in the franchise almost killed by D/P. Seems to be the same way with most of my friends too. They were bad games that had ridiculous problems Gamefreak should've foreseen (yes, don't have any Fire Pokemon in the dex other than an useless family and the starter, that's a good idea! Keep a bunch of the new Pokemon post-game, why not? Backtrack constantly, everyone will enjoy that! Oh, and let's not forget the terrain that stops you from moving entirely or heavily slows you down, that's truly the masterpiece of game design!). HG/SS helped a lot, though in retrospect they felt better than they were because of how bad D/P were, as they had the same problems the games they were remade of did (stupid Johto level curve). B/W completely returned my love for the franchise, and to this day they're my favourite games (surpassing Emerald, though ORAS might change that entirely). Adding an actual story and characterization helped a lot, plus forcing everyone out of their safe zones and having them use completely new Pokemon was actually a good idea. B2W2...were a step in the wrong direction, returning to the simplistic (see: non-existant) story of earlier games, adding a stupid and unlikable rival, lowering the amount of screentime Gym Leaders got, etc., though the Pokedex was the best to that point so that gave it points, if not enough (worse than Emerald for sure). XY were a step in the right direction from that, with a slightly better story (not as good as BW), a few new mechanics that were fun to play with, an even better Pokedex than B2W2, and trainer customization (the best feature that will never come back because Gamefreak), though the weird pace of the game (takes a year to get the first three badges, then the rest just go lightning-fast) and the non-existance of Gym Leaders beyond being bosses didn't help it. BW is still the best duo, but XY weren't bad either, if not as good as...I'll say Emerald again, I really like Emerald. Also XY did have a postgame! The Looker missions were the best part of the game and I will not accept anyone saying otherwise. Could have had a bit more than that, though...
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