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INDIAN PRIME MINISTER TO BLAME FOR 737 CRASH
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Nov 7, 2014 14:02
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MrChips posted:It's still a mess, though; the way that wing is bent makes me think that Q400's future lies at the feet of MolsonCoors. The flight was Air Canada 8481, from Calgary to Grande Prairie, diverted to Edmonton. Three passengers transported to hospital with minor injuries. Reports are that the Q400 blew a tire departing YYC (runway 35L was closed for a time after its departure), the crew knew and diverted to YEG as the crosswind was picking up in Calgary. Tweet from a YYC terminal controller last night: quote:Rwy 35L in YYC closed. Rwy 02 in Yeg closed. Same airplane.... Question, would they have kept the gear down on the way up to YEG or retract it in this situation?
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Nov 7, 2014 15:25
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Bugsmasher posted:
Safe bet is down. I'd be afraid of a retract or extension problem if there is somehow a bunch of loose rubber in the wheel well.
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Nov 7, 2014 18:58
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Bugsmasher posted:Reports are that the Q400 blew a tire departing YYC (runway 35L was closed for a time after its departure), the crew knew and diverted to YEG as the crosswind was picking up in Calgary. Keep the gear down if there is ever a doubt that it may not drop or cause more damage internally if retracted.
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Nov 7, 2014 19:07
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Thanks for the answers, that was kind of what I was thinking too. In other Canadian news, we want to buy 4 F-35's in 2017 by getting some of the USAF slots: http://www.660news.com/2014/11/07/canada-signals-it-intends-to-buy-at-least-four-f-35s-by-2017-pentagon-briefing/
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Nov 7, 2014 19:30
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Welp, just seen the (confidential) pictures of that Q400... Window seat next to the prop? No thanks, I'll walk.
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Nov 8, 2014 01:48
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Linedance posted:Welp, just seen the (confidential) pictures of that Q400... Different incident, but  http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flight-international/2009/02/corroded-gear-behind-first-sas/
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Nov 8, 2014 02:19
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I try to avoid seats in line with where I can guess the turbine discs are, and I would apply that principle to a turboprop engine too
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Nov 8, 2014 03:05
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Previa_fun posted:Different incident, but Huh, turns out similar circumstances result in nearly identical failure modes! 
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Nov 8, 2014 04:01
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Old video and probably a re-post, but I just came across this and thought I'd toss it up. Bf109E-4 restored to flying condition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzUUlO6ihwE Music is ehh, but that engine sounds drat nice.
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Nov 8, 2014 22:05
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Linedance I just saw some up-close pictures of GGBF...holy poo poo I can't believe someone didn't die in those seats by the prop.
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Nov 9, 2014 04:41
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MrChips posted:Linedance I just saw some up-close pictures of GGBF...holy poo poo I can't believe someone didn't die in those seats by the prop. I found some pics and yeah,  Perhaps the flight crew evacuated those seats prior to landing? Logical step if you're worried about gear problems in that aircraft.
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Nov 9, 2014 06:08
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 fuuuuuuck that noise
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Nov 9, 2014 06:37
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BobHoward posted:I found some pics and yeah, The spot where the blade hit is actually the thickest part of the fuselage skin, since there's an extra layer of metal attached to the fuselage in line with the propeller blades to absorb impacts from ice getting flung off the prop blades.
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Nov 9, 2014 08:18
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azflyboy posted:The spot where the blade hit is actually the thickest part of the fuselage skin, since there's an extra layer of metal attached to the fuselage in line with the propeller blades to absorb impacts from ice getting flung off the prop blades. Shame it went through the window then.
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Nov 9, 2014 09:00
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BobHoward posted:I found some pics and yeah, So I'm hearing that yes, it is actually part of the crew procedure to move people out of those seats if they know they have landing gear problems. So that's good. -edit- but I guess according to the news that didn't happen, as they didn't suspect there was a problem with the gear (just a blown tire) Finger Prince fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Nov 10, 2014 |
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Nov 10, 2014 00:48
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Yeah, count me as one of those who'll forever be nervous as hell if I'm ever seated inline with a prop in the future. Don't care about the stats, the pictures are nightmare fuel. Just how lucky does a person have to be to take a prop to the back of the head and walk away with a bruise?!quote:A woman is lucky to be alive after she was struck in the head by a propeller blade that came crashing through her window during a domestic flight in Canada.
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Nov 10, 2014 07:14
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EightBit posted:I try to avoid seats in line with where I can guess the turbine discs are, and I would apply that principle to a turboprop engine too I think it was in this thread someone talked about that turbine failure on a trijet (IIRC) where the result ended up killing several members of the same family in line with the discs. Ever since that post I pretty much always think about my seats relative to the engines now, even if that risk is pretty miniscule.
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Nov 10, 2014 07:55
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News posted:The incident, which happened at about 8.30pm last Thursday, forced the Jazz Aviation Bombardier Q-400 aircraft to make an emergency landing at Edmonton International Airport. Pictures of the damaged plane did not emerge until yesterday amid accusations the airline company was trying to play down the near-tragedy. Yup, because we all know the sensible and prudent course of action when something like this happens is first to run to the media half-cocked with no information, and only once they've had their fill of speculation and hearsay, then conduct a thorough investigation.
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Nov 10, 2014 08:22
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Mazz posted:I think it was in this thread someone talked about that turbine failure on a trijet (IIRC) where the result ended up killing several members of the same family in line with the discs. Ever since that post I pretty much always think about my seats relative to the engines now, even if that risk is pretty miniscule. Seconding not wanting to sit in line with the engine hot section or propeller disk, by the way. One fragment of the exploded turbine wheel on the Qantas A380 only missed the upper cabin by several meters after passing through the front main wing spar.
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Nov 10, 2014 09:55
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Linedance posted:Yup, because we all know the sensible and prudent course of action when something like this happens is first to run to the media half-cocked with no information, and only once they've had their fill of speculation and hearsay, then conduct a thorough investigation. OTOH If I got hit in the head with a propeller blade, and it was being reported as a "rough landing", I sure would go to the press.
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Nov 10, 2014 13:46
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http://vimeo.com/99490998
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Nov 10, 2014 14:01
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Fun. http://vimeo.com/107448259
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Nov 10, 2014 21:08
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I don't remember that approach from MS Flight Simulator. (holy poo poo)
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Nov 10, 2014 21:08
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Tsuru posted:From memory I don't think something exactly like this has ever happened, but you could be thinking of National 27. The flight crew of a DC-10 was experimenting with their fancy new autothrottle system until engine #1 exploded, and one passenger was sucked out of a broken window. There were other uncontained engine failures which were fatal to people on board, another one you might be thinking of was actually an MD-80: Delta 1288. Here most of the people injured were part of the same family and seated in the same row. Yep, it was that MD-80. I was really hazy on the specifics, I just remember the engine failure was towards the rear of the aircraft.
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Nov 10, 2014 21:47
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You are required to maneuver straight down this trench and skim the surface to this point. The target area is only two meters wide.
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Nov 10, 2014 21:58
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I was half expecting to hear a "WHUMP" and be all "See Bambi that's why you stay out of the fuckin' meadow"
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Nov 10, 2014 22:33
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Naturally Selected posted:Old video and probably a re-post, but I just came across this and thought I'd toss it up. Bf109E-4 restored to flying condition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzUUlO6ihwE Music is ehh, but that engine sounds drat nice. No wonder those things were bastards on the ground - that gear geometry is scary and the thing has no rudder on it. That tail looks way too small.
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Nov 11, 2014 02:16
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This is one of my favorite little details about the Pred/Reaper. And yes, the thing about birds stealing it is completely true.
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Nov 11, 2014 06:12
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charliemonster42 posted:No wonder those things were bastards on the ground - that gear geometry is scary and the thing has no rudder on it. That tail looks way too small. They did it that way almost entirely, iirc, so that they could pull the wings off for maintenance and leave the fuselage on its undercarriage without special jacks. Hence why the struts are cocked way out to get the track as wide as possible
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Nov 11, 2014 06:58
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iyaayas01 posted:This is one of my favorite little details about the Pred/Reaper. Neat! (But why does it have to be horse hair and not any other type of string that's not subject to this type of problem?) This got me thinking about other low-tech solutions to problems, and I thought of the standby compass on the MD-80. By the time its place was to be designated on the instrument panel, there was no more room. So what did they do? Put it on the back wall of the cockpit, and put a mirror on the panel to look at it through!
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Nov 11, 2014 07:16
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Naturally Selected posted:Old video and probably a re-post, but I just came across this and thought I'd toss it up. Bf109E-4 restored to flying condition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzUUlO6ihwE Music is ehh, but that engine sounds drat nice. I love that video. That plane is one hell of a beauty.  And don't you shittalk Daft Punk. 
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Nov 11, 2014 12:05
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vessbot posted:Neat! because it isn't horsehair, it's exactly what you described. quote:That’s right. Horsehair. Or a close approximation of it, anyway. Your mirror-compass factoid is cool though!
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Nov 11, 2014 12:31
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How about another one... I saw a talk at Oshkosh by the chief pilot of the program that does zero-G flights for scientific experiments at the Canadian Space Agency. He said that over the decades that they've done it, they've spent countless thousands of dollars on developing displays/indicators to help the pilot fly the ballistic profile more precisely, but to date, nothing has beat an eraser hanging off a string. (Also, the stiffness of the string is enough to affect the eraser... so for example, fishing line does not work week. I think I remember he said floss is good.)
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Nov 11, 2014 14:29
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The U-2, like its distant sailplane cousins, also uses a yaw string. Another simple solution I've come to know is from the Hawker 125 family. Instead of a light to indicate the nose gear is down and locked, there is a little rod in the cockpit connected to the down lock that pops into view only when the gear is down and properly locked.
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Nov 11, 2014 21:26
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Behold, a low-flying Apache that doesn't get hung up on the trees! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIO9cXRhzoU Of course let's be fair, there aren't any trees out there. Looks like they were trolling some people who went out shooting. 
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Nov 11, 2014 22:51
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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I wonder how much of that brush kicked up is/were rattlesnakes flung all over hell and gone by the rotor wash?
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Nov 12, 2014 00:59
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Low and Slow, that is our tempo. Around KPGA, anyway. Crossposted some more pics and possibly video over at the Aviation Megathread.  
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Nov 12, 2014 02:39
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DeusExMachinima posted:Behold, a low-flying Apache that doesn't get hung up on the trees! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIO9cXRhzoU I thought the Army had learned their lesson about low-level Apache operations in desert climates around locals with small-arms and cell phones.
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Nov 12, 2014 02:49
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They were probably doing training with the FLIR so they can recognize "man carrying a gun".
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Nov 12, 2014 03:55
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