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DrProsek posted:They're finally standing up to the powers that be, and saying "no more!" to the group of people that basically sit on top in society, and who basically define what American culture is. Well it is women who have the power to deny him sex, which I would imagine is the only thing he thinks about any time he speaks with or sees any. If he can't have that to which he's entitled, he going to burn the world down with his tantrum.
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SedanChair posted:I am mired in disappointment with myself for even asking this, but who are gamer manchildren supposed to be retaliating against by voting for Republicans? The Democrats let GIRLS play video games!!
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VitalSigns posted:Time can dull the pain...but it can never erase...the imgur memes Yeah, about that... Imgur FAQ posted:How long do you keep the images?
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:Jesus, gamergate is the stupidest thing ever.
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Dude writes thousands of tear salted words about his ex girlfriend and posts them everywhere he can on the internet (registered here on SA to post it and ate a ban). Included are allegations that she, as an indie developer, slept with the press to get coverage. The journalist in question actually wrote like 1 sentence about her before they started dating and never reviewed any of her stuff. Whiny babies see this as the right time to launch a crusade against women and minorities getting uppity about expanding "traditional" gaming to maybe include them once in a while, and maybe thinking critically about the content of their vidya.
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It's just indicative of nerds and nerd poo poo getting integrated into the mainstream. Looking at pretty much any internet forum all the way back to Usenet, it's obvious most nerds have always been borderline neonazis, this is just the first time that mainstream society has taken notice of a manchild poo poo slinging internet war
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7c Nickel posted:Dude writes thousands of tear salted words about his ex girlfriend and posts them everywhere he can on the internet (registered here on SA to post it and ate a ban). Included are allegations that she, as an indie developer, slept with the press to get coverage. The journalist in question actually wrote like 1 sentence about her before they started dating and never reviewed any of her stuff. Whiny babies see this as the right time to launch a crusade against women and minorities getting uppity about expanding "traditional" gaming to maybe include them once in a while, and maybe thinking critically about the content of their vidya. Then again I liked Gone Home but thought they needed to put the Heavens to Betsy song "Terrorist" in there rather than "Calculated" so I'm probably the last person that'll be able to make sense of Gamergate  .EDIT: "Terrorist" is the best song written about street harassment. If your office doesn't want you to listen to songs about killing people and gouging out their eyes you may not want to listen at work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CyF4w_cxi4 Ghost of Reagan Past fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Nov 9, 2014 |
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Nov 9, 2014 05:11
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icantfindaname posted:It's just indicative of nerds and nerd poo poo getting integrated into the mainstream. That's the one thing I've taken away from gamergate more than anything else. People are screaming about social justice warriors ruining gaming because Kotaku wrote a couple articles about strong female characters, meanwhile every Call of Duty game released sets a new sales record. Nothing anywhere is threatening the games those people like, they just won't be the only kind of game you can play anymore.
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The problem is you're looking for an answer that relates to the poo poo THEY claim started this. Zoe Quinn and game journalism are actually pretty much incidental. The answer is "WE HATE WOMEN AND MINORITIES AND WE CAN'T STOP THEM FROM SPEAKING UP ANYMORE! WAHHHHH!"
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:That's the one thing I've taken away from gamergate more than anything else. People are screaming about social justice warriors ruining gaming because Kotaku wrote a couple articles about strong female characters, meanwhile every Call of Duty game released sets a new sales record. its not about games at all, games is a symbol for growing older and having to deal with people and people having opinions that you dont like
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Popular Thug Drink posted:its not about games at all, games is a symbol for growing older and having to deal with people and people having opinions that you dont like If you look at the GOP voting base you see lots of people refuse to deal with other people having opinions they don't like straight into the grave, voting Republican the whole way
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Breaking news: reactionary movements are incoherent
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icantfindaname posted:If you look at the GOP voting base you see lots of people refuse to deal with other people having opinions they don't like straight into the grave, voting Republican the whole way That's on the opposite end of the spectrum as well, remarking that it is exclusive to one side only says a lot about someones beliefs. Which is to say, paints it as a black and white issue with no grey at all.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:I can barely understand anything about it. It's so dumb.  *so much Edit: goku im piss posted:That's on the opposite end of the spectrum as well, remarking that it is exclusive to one side only says a lot about someones beliefs. Which is to say, paints it as a black and white issue with no grey at all.
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AmiYumi posted:"Yeah man, but have you ever considered that the truth might be...in the middle?" If I'm going by what a politically-motivated media circus was telling me, absolutely not.
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7c Nickel posted:The problem is you're looking for an answer that relates to the poo poo THEY claim started this. Zoe Quinn and game journalism are actually pretty much incidental. The answer is Quinn's also the point in a way. Taking the allegations at face value (hint, they're probably not true) you get the idea that a woman is "denying" a nerd of his rightful sex and giving it to some devs/industry types instead. While a lot of it is "feminists are criticizing/taking my sexist murder simulators" there's the more mainstream MRA thought that "I should be able to control a woman's sexuality". Honestly, poo poo like this makes me wish Hillary wins in two years and destroys the games industry for these petulant man-children. I play games, but I've also got a lot more in my life, and anything to get these trogs out of the basement and into real society where they can be trained into passing for a normal human is a benefit.
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DrProsek posted:They're finally standing up to the powers that be, and saying "no more!" to the group of people that basically sit on top in society, and who basically define what American culture is. Actually it's about ethics in video game journalism. Seriously though, straight white men are infinitely terrible.
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Orange Devil posted:Seriously though, straight white men are infinitely terrible. Msnbc has a slot open for a show if you feel up to it.
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Nerds just seem upset at the idea that their domain has been invaded by casual women, and are scared that companies might cater to this huge new demographic. Playing games on a phone isn't being a "real" gamer. Anyone that refers to themselves as a gamer is pathetic.
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Leon Einstein posted:Anyone that refers to themselves as a gamer is pathetic. Pretty much. The equivalent in other media doesn't really exist. No one would refer to themselves as a "TV-watcher" like it's some kind of identity, and generally people who get really into music or films or anything like that (to the point where it becomes a part of their identity) wants to see the medium explore new directions and experiment. It's only self-identified gamers who seem to want complete stasis in their medium of choice.
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icantfindaname posted:If you look at the GOP voting base you see lots of people refuse to deal with other people having opinions they don't like straight into the grave, voting Republican the whole way 
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PT6A posted:Pretty much. The equivalent in other media doesn't really exist. No one would refer to themselves as a "TV-watcher" like it's some kind of identity, and generally people who get really into music or films or anything like that (to the point where it becomes a part of their identity) wants to see the medium explore new directions and experiment. It's only self-identified gamers who seem to want complete stasis in their medium of choice. I mentioned this in another thread before, but gamergate is a movement that wants to protect video games as an art form by crushing all attempts to examine messages and meaning behind trends in gaming and only ever look at games from a pure technical perspective. Saying "Hey maybe not every lady should have giant breasts and clothes that cover maybe half her body?" or "What does it say about video games where we've got an art form that very new and appeals to young people far more than older more regressive people, but is so behind in terms of representation of minorities?" is criticizing the artists creative vision, which as people concerned with the future of gaming, we can never allow. Basically, even the worst "SJW" overreaction to perceived racism in the game having the empty part of your mana bar be black is still way better than the best of gamergate. burnishedfume fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Nov 14, 2014 |
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PT6A posted:Pretty much. The equivalent in other media doesn't really exist. No one would refer to themselves as a "TV-watcher" like it's some kind of identity, and generally people who get really into music or films or anything like that (to the point where it becomes a part of their identity) wants to see the medium explore new directions and experiment. It's only self-identified gamers who seem to want complete stasis in their medium of choice. Comic book fans definitely do this though.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Comic book fans definitely do this though. I remember the totally-not-racist actually-about-accuracy-in-representations-of-norse-mythology nerd rage when Idris Elba was cast as Heimdall in the Thor movie, it was sweet.
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That's not entirely true, "cinephile". Ebert basically made it OK to like movies artistically without being that guy who likes artistic movies. It's like an alternate universe Brechtianism. When he rejected the stuffiness that is a cultural component of High Art, he incorporated it because, hey, Mozart is pop music. Warhol I love latin poetry, man. The best ones are from Pompeii. That's the poo poo that is enduring, right?
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Entropic posted:I remember the totally-not-racist actually-about-accuracy-in-representations-of-norse-mythology nerd rage when Idris Elba was cast as Heimdall in the Thor movie, it was sweet. I'm pretty sure that it was pretty much just a white supremacy group, and they probably jumped on it because they saw it as an easy target because historical accuracy is super important in a comic book movie based very loosely on ancient mythology. Nintendo Kid posted:Comic book fans definitely do this though. They do. As someone who enjoys both videogames and comic books my best guess would be that it stems from the oppression or perceived oppression of people who engage in the hobbies.  I'm in no way trying to suggest the plight of nerds is actually anywhere near as bad as the plights of black people or gay people. But much in the same way the fact that your family was brutally murdered doesn't mean I can't be sad when my pet dies, nerds generally face some degree of oppression, and I could see many them embracing a sort of nerd pride as a result of that. Combine that with the general lack of social skills many of them have and you get this kind of behavior.
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PT6A posted:Pretty much. The equivalent in other media doesn't really exist. No one would refer to themselves as a "TV-watcher" like it's some kind of identity, and generally people who get really into music or films or anything like that (to the point where it becomes a part of their identity) wants to see the medium explore new directions and experiment. It's only self-identified gamers who seem to want complete stasis in their medium of choice. It's different because games and comic books are pretty much as low as low art gets. People watching movies generally have some sort of desire for artistically worthwhile experiences, video game players and comic book readers just want to see titties a very large percentage of the time. This conflicts with the recent movement for indie and artsy poo poo, not that there's anything wrong with that, but I think it's a factor. Combine that with people's bigotry in general, and the particularly virulent strain of bigotry among nerds who feel wronged by anyone who isn't a white male nerd, and you get a whole lot of people really really mad their pornography is being criticized or taken away icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 10:17 on Nov 15, 2014 |
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icantfindaname posted:People watching movies generally have some sort of desire for artistically worthwhile experiences, video game players and comic book readers just want to see titties a very large percentage of the time. There's a fairly sizable segment of the movie industry that cater to the boobs and explosions demographic while there are plenty of games that have no characters at all. People don't play Minecraft or Sim City or Farmville or Candy Crush to look at titties. Movies designed and marketed for males aged 15-25 are often violent and misogynistic. Unsurprisingly the same is true of comic books and video games marketed to that same demographic. The video game industry is different only in that more of the content is made for that group.
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Nevvy Z posted:I'm pretty sure that it was pretty much just a white supremacy group, and they probably jumped on it because they saw it as an easy target because historical accuracy is super important in a comic book movie based very loosely on ancient mythology. Yet how do you convince them that it's not oppression when women don't want to date them or think they're gross? The core of their anger at women seems tied up in this, like they don't want women in video games because video games are where they escape to when they get really upset at how unattractive women find them.
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Nevvy Z posted:nerds generally face some degree of oppression Is this actually true, though? I literally cannot recall anytime someone acted in an uncalled-for way toward me since leaving high school, except in the context of political arguments and other nerds being mad about games.
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30.5 Days posted:Is this actually true, though? I literally cannot recall anytime someone acted in an uncalled-for way toward me since leaving high school, except in the context of political arguments and other nerds being mad about games. It's not even a thing in high school any longer unless you consider "not being able to get a date because I'm a weirdo" to be nerd oppression. computer parts fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Nov 15, 2014 |
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computer parts posted:It's not even a thing in high school any longer unless you could "not being able to get a date because I'm a weirdo" to be nerd oppression. *puts on fedora* Yes, yes it is.
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I'm going to keep my thoughts brief here, but I think the main reason people who play games and comics are often more dedicated than fans of other mediums are because of the money and time requirements. A movie costs $10 to see in the theater, and maybe $40 at most to pick up a DVD/Blu-Ray, and it's over in 2 hours. For a TV show, you pay the monthly cable fee for everything you watch and you tune into a particular show one hour a week. Games require either a console or a powerful computer, either of which costs hundreds of dollars, and each game sells for $60 a piece, and is generally expected to have at least 6-8 hours of single player content, and often much more. With comics, while each individual comic is cheap to buy and quick to read, readers are expected to keep up with decades of continuity across dozens of series. Though you do sometimes see similar levels of dedication to other mediums, particularly TV shows, and especially in mostly teenage female Livejournal (or whatever the most popular service for that kind of thing is now) fanfiction communities for TV shows. They're just not as a big a proportion since most TV watchers just tune into a show for a week to kill time then completely forget about it until it comes on next week.
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Nerds are just insufferable about the things they like because they approach them with a sense of ownership and will furiously attack anything they like when it turns in a direction they don't like. Yet they don't just stop liking it, but become dedicated to attacking and defaming it while still following it religiously. Maybe part of that is because they feel like those things are part of their identity for appealing to them at the same time that nerd identity is constructed out of a persecution complex mixed with a superiority complex. Just look at the gently caress posting on Breitbart: he says that he's decided to destroy America out of spite. There were tons of Lost fans, Star Trek fans, Batman fans, and Lord of the Rings fans behaving in exactly the same way toward television and film.
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The superiority complex is a huge element. Many nerds believe that because they have nerdy interests they are really much smarter than most people. Even the ones that are actually dumb as poo poo believe this.
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30.5 Days posted:Is this actually true, though? I literally cannot recall anytime someone acted in an uncalled-for way toward me since leaving high school, except in the context of political arguments and other nerds being mad about games. A lot of people never get over high school. Also a lot of the people getting all defensive over their nerd culture in general are like, in their 30s and stuff and still not over it. Like, when I was a kid and then in high school, gaming was already mainstream as hell. Today it's even moreso. But you still got like 30 year old plus guys who identify heavily with "gaming culture" and probably did get made fun of way back in school for playing games, and they never got over it. They're often exactly the ones who try to push the "gamergate" poo poo and literally post on the right wing sites like Breitbart about them. And it's all so extra funny, because it means they're also way out of touch with most of the gaming population, even the "hardcore" gaming population.
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Seriously, read some of the posts on /kotakuinaction sometime. It's kind of fascinating to see mass delusion in effect on a population like that. They're trying to play military masterminds or something and talking about operations and counteroperations and how any day now the media is totally going to realise Anita Sarkeesian is a Thunderf00t made a video about how Stephen Colbert had sold out or wussed out or something when he interviewed Anita Sarkeesian and the whole time you just start to feel bad for him because he has no idea he's the bad guy.
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pathetic little tramp posted:Seriously, read some of the posts on /kotakuinaction sometime. It's kind of fascinating to see mass delusion in effect on a population like that. They're trying to play military masterminds or something and talking about operations and counteroperations and how any day now the media is totally going to realise Anita Sarkeesian is a Just look at the gamergate thread in GBS and you'll see the same thing, not that I'd recommend it. For the longest time I thought that they were just copy-pasting idiot posts from Reddit or fakeposting, but the majority of the thread is MRA misogyny with no hint of irony.
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Not to interrupt the little 2 minute hate session ya'll got going here, but I know some women who are involved in the pro(anti?) gamer gate side. If making pro videos count as involved. When ever this topic, or feminism in general comes up they point to majority white/male discussions like this as a reason they are against what they think feminism is. A bunch of holier than though college liberals going off against a strawman opposition, and implying women can't think for themselves. This then is the impression folk get of what feminism is, and is why you have so many people going on about "equalist" or whatever the current buzzword is versus feminism. While I personally think GG is silly and wrong, ya'll need to tone that poo poo down. Every time you say everybody involved is just a fat greasy neckbeard who can't get laid, you are doing real damage to the popular view of feminism. You can not just refuse to engage in anything other than name calling if you want to change minds. This arrogance more than anything is why GG was not strangled in the crib like it should have been.
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The IronMonkey posted:Every time you say everybody involved is just a fat greasy neckbeard who can't get laid, you are doing real damage to the popular view of feminism. No we are not. This is manifestly untrue.
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