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Argue posted:Did the prop department give Hunter Jeff Winger's cowboy costume? This is a good reference I appreciate.
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I thought I remember a story somewhere about how Marvel is not doing "origin stories" in their movies anymore - I guess after Ant Man. That means that origin stories will have to be presented elsewhere - like TV. And if you speculate further, that would mean that the Inhumans movie isn't an origin story, but a story involving Inhumans. And it could mean that the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are going to already be Inhumans in Avengers 2...which means that Agents of Shield could be where the Inhumans origin story takes place. And if all that's true, if Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are going to be recognized as Inhumans in Avengers 2, then it's very likely we'll see the city + Inhumans stuff this year in the show. We won't have to wait till 2018 or whatever.
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Nov 13, 2014 19:04
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Wow, that is some hardcore speculation. Marvel saying no origin stories in movies simply means the hero is going to be fully formed when the movie starts, it doesn't mean you put origin stories anywhere else. Also, I think its been definitively confirmed by Marvel that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are not Inhumans.
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Nov 13, 2014 19:07
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They will never put important information for a movie in the show. That they are not doing origin stories anymore probably means we wont see yet another movie were the protagonist learns a lesson and steps up to be the hero they need to be in the face of newly acquired powers/problems (Iron Man, Iron Man 2 Cap 1, Thor), not that they wont explain the origin of something. So, the Doctor Strange movie wont be about an arrogant surgeon who suffers a career ending hand injury, only to ravel to the Himalaya and become the mystic protector of Earth, it will start with him already being the Sorcerer Supreme.
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Nov 13, 2014 19:12
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I liked the discussion between Mac and Fitz for two reasons - one, Mac seemed to realize Fitz wasn't stumbling on his words nearly as much, but didn't say anything to that end, and two, I loved when Fitz mentioned that the brain makes a backup and Simmons comes into frame - and you're only 100% sure it's real Simmons when she talks to Mac. Cat-Ward was amazing of course and dominated this episode but that scene with MacFitz seemed really well put together to me.
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The Red Queen posted:I liked the discussion between Mac and Fitz for two reasons - one, Mac seemed to realize Fitz wasn't stumbling on his words nearly as much, but didn't say anything to that end, and two, I loved when Fitz mentioned that the brain makes a backup and Simmons comes into frame - and you're only 100% sure it's real Simmons when she talks to Mac. Cat-Ward was amazing of course and dominated this episode but that scene with MacFitz seemed really well put together to me. I kind of thought Fitz just had an epiphany that the brain machine they were using on Coilson might be able to treat him.
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Nov 13, 2014 19:18
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I think the no origins thing is being a bit misunderstood. I think it just means there will be no entire films dedicated to introducing a character. They don't want to waste the limited number of films they get out of these contracts with actors by spending an entire film establishing the character. So expect more characters to debut in other films before getting their own, or expect their origins to be established very quickly. I'm guessing Antman, will be the last film to introduce a new main character within its own film. Honestly, I think the new strategy is better since it wastes less time.
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ToastyPotato posted:I think the no origins thing is being a bit misunderstood. I think it just means there will be no entire films dedicated to introducing a character. They don't want to waste the limited number of films they get out of these contracts with actors by spending an entire film establishing the character. So expect more characters to debut in other films before getting their own, or expect their origins to be established very quickly. I'm guessing Antman, will be the last film to introduce a new main character within its own film. Honestly, I think the new strategy is better since it wastes less time. Yeah, I take it to mean they'll rush through the origin at the start of the movie and then get on with the main story. Like 15 mins of Dr. Strange going to Tibet and training with the Ancient One and then back to Greenwich and Wong for the majority of the movie.
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Nov 13, 2014 20:09
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Rarity posted:Yeah, I take it to mean they'll rush through the origin at the start of the movie and then get on with the main story. Like 15 mins of Dr. Strange going to Tibet and training with the Ancient One and then back to Greenwich and Wong for the majority of the movie. Basically The Incredible Hulk method.
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Nov 13, 2014 20:13
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Something interesting about this week's episode is it looks like they're just going to pretend that Icers no longer exist. Like nobody brought them up when talking about taking down Ward.
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Nov 13, 2014 20:54
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muscles like this? posted:Something interesting about this week's episode is it looks like they're just going to pretend that Icers no longer exist. Like nobody brought them up when talking about taking down Ward. I'm not surprised that the show doesn't try to bring them up too often since they kind of provide a super convenient solution to a lot of potential problems (in terms of storytelling), but in this episode there was the scene with Trip asking Coulson what he wants them to do, and Coulson saying to bring Ward in at any cost. I just kind of took that to imply that they're not going to waste time trying to ice Ward. Either he cooperates and comes back in or they put him down. They're done dealing with him as a prisoner/source of info anyway since they were going to give him to is brother.
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Nov 13, 2014 21:11
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I'm excited May isn't coming back until Ward is dealt with. I dislike May. I really hope she finds him and Ward wins this time around.
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ToastyPotato posted:I think the no origins thing is being a bit misunderstood. I think it just means there will be no entire films dedicated to introducing a character. They don't want to waste the limited number of films they get out of these contracts with actors by spending an entire film establishing the character. So expect more characters to debut in other films before getting their own, or expect their origins to be established very quickly. I'm guessing Antman, will be the last film to introduce a new main character within its own film. Honestly, I think the new strategy is better since it wastes less time.
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|Ziggy| posted:I'm excited May isn't coming back until Ward is dealt with. I dislike May. I really hope she finds him and Ward wins this time around. Why? She is one of the stronger characters on the show, and the way she beat him last season was hilarious.
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Nov 13, 2014 21:40
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bobkatt013 posted:Why? She is one of the stronger characters on the show, and the way she beat him last season was hilarious. I just don't like no emotion characters that fights in high heels.
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Nov 13, 2014 21:52
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|Ziggy| posted:I just don't like no emotion characters that fights in high heels. That's...oddly specific.
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Nov 13, 2014 21:58
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muscles like this? posted:Something interesting about this week's episode is it looks like they're just going to pretend that Icers no longer exist. Like nobody brought them up when talking about taking down Ward. I wonder if they'll quietly retcon them like they did with Zat guns in Stargate. greatn posted:I kind of thought Fitz just had an epiphany that the brain machine they were using on Coilson might be able to treat him. So Evil Scientist Fitz is still on the table 
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Nov 13, 2014 22:00
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Dude isn't going to jump in the mind-rape machine, he's making solid progress and was just having a moment of empathy with another dude who is going through brain problems.
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Nov 13, 2014 22:04
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bobkatt013 posted:Why? She is one of the stronger characters on the show, and the way she beat him last season was hilarious. I just re-watched that fight the other day and it was even better than I remembered. Seriously how can someone not like May after she stapled Ward to the ground and roundhouse kicked him in the face?
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Nov 13, 2014 22:08
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|Ziggy| posted:I just don't like no emotion characters that fights in high heels. What? She was in heels that one time because she was undercover, and she hated it. She is stoic, but that's correct for her character, so I don't have a problem with it.
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Nov 13, 2014 22:09
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Xtanstic posted:So Evil Scientist Fitz is still on the table I hope so. It would make the show be more interesting for considerably longer if the cast keeps revolving and changing roles, if not dropping out altogether.
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Nov 13, 2014 22:10
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rujasu posted:What? She was in heels that one time because she was undercover, and she hated it. They also make her out who has seen and done a lot of black ops so she is emotionally distant due to that. It also does not help the last person she nailed she had to do it in two different ways.
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Nov 13, 2014 22:14
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Boogaleeboo posted:Dude isn't going to jump in the mind-rape machine, he's making solid progress and was just having a moment of empathy with another dude who is going through brain problems. Also there he still has a lot on unresolved issues with Simmons, magically curing his brain would remove most of them, and their relationship is one of the things i like the best about this season. Also Iain De Caestecker is a good actor, and is getting great things out of the brain damage.
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Nov 13, 2014 22:20
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muscles like this? posted:Something interesting about this week's episode is it looks like they're just going to pretend that Icers no longer exist. Like nobody brought them up when talking about taking down Ward. Um, wasn't there a snarky comment in that episode about how one agent had a gun that would actually kill someone, and the other didn't? "You don't want me to shoot you, my gun will actually kill you" or something like that.
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Xtanstic posted:I wonder if they'll quietly retcon them like they did with Zat guns in Stargate. They only retconned the third shot. Last I recall, they were still being used, and the second shot still killed.
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Nov 13, 2014 22:56
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They give Skye/Fitz/Simmons Icers, the real agents get the big boy guns, as they won't have the crisis of conscious or hesitation that comes with killing someone.
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Nov 13, 2014 22:57
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SwissArmyDruid posted:They only retconned the third shot. Last I recall, they were still being used, and the second shot still killed. Nah they retconned both the 2nd and 3rd shot. It became an exclusively non-lethal weapon with stun time varying based on plot necessities. Dexo posted:They give Skye/Fitz/Simmons Icers, the real agents get the big boy guns, as they won't have the crisis of conscious or hesitation that comes with killing someone. I can't seem to recall if there was a throwaway line justifying Icer ammo being hard to come by.
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Xtanstic posted:Nah they retconned both the 2nd and 3rd shot. It became an exclusively non-lethal weapon with stun time varying based on plot necessities. That would slightly contradict the guy at the Hydra hard file repository saying to undercover nerd Coulson and May that they had already seen it and analyzed it to death. The tech is out there, somebody's got to be making it.
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Dexo posted:They give Skye/Fitz/Simmons Icers, the real agents get the big boy guns, as they won't have the crisis of conscious or hesitation that comes with killing someone. Skye definitely had a big boy gun in the third episode when she plugged Blizzard in the chest. At least, as far as we know. 
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JT Smiley posted:I just re-watched that fight the other day and it was even better than I remembered. Seriously how can someone not like May after she stapled Ward to the ground and roundhouse kicked him in the face?
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Is Agents of SHIELD the first successful large scale tv-film universe cross promotion thing? I guess there was Star Trek.
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Robot Hobo posted:And the slo-mo flying face-into-a-table slam was from the May vs Fake-May fight is one of my favorite TV/Movie fight scene moves of all time now. They were basically writing in one excuse to have May deliver someone an elegant rear end-kicking in every episode, and I was completely happy with that formula. Yeah that was the best. May as a stone cold badass works so much better this year than last.
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hiddenriverninja posted:Is Agents of SHIELD the first successful large scale tv-film universe cross promotion thing? I guess there was Star Trek. I was under the impression the Star Trek TNG movies had nothing to do with the show or rather, vice versa. That is, the show never really made reference to the movies? Was the show even still being made when the TNG movies were happening? The original set of ST movies was also long after the show had been cancelled, and all of those movies take place before TNG would have ever happened. I know nothing of DS9 and Voyager.
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ToastyPotato posted:I was under the impression the Star Trek TNG movies had nothing to do with the show or rather, vice versa. That is, the show never really made reference to the movies? Was the show even still being made when the TNG movies were happening? The original set of ST movies was also long after the show had been cancelled, and all of those movies take place before TNG would have ever happened. I know nothing of DS9 and Voyager. The TNG movies were after the TNG series, but there was some crossover between the TNG movies and Deep Space Nine.
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If you're willing to branch into anime, I believe it's relatively common for series to end with a movie (off the top of my head there's End of Evangelion and Key the Metal Idol), and Cowboy Bebop had a movie come out three years after it that was made to fit between two specific episodes. Then there are countless shows where a movie spawned a TV series (Stargate) or vice-versa (Star Trek). This kind of show/movie integration though, I'm pretty sure it's unique. It takes a lot of coordination, and a dedication to the larger universe. The Marvel Movie Universe is a unique beast in itself, since movies are almost always seen as one-off things with maybe a little focus on sequels.
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ToastyPotato posted:I was under the impression the Star Trek TNG movies had nothing to do with the show or rather, vice versa. That is, the show never really made reference to the movies? Was the show even still being made when the TNG movies were happening? The original set of ST movies was also long after the show had been cancelled, and all of those movies take place before TNG would have ever happened. I know nothing of DS9 and Voyager. The movies were also distanced the series because they were written very differently. The movies typically had more action oriented scripts which the cast wasn't very convincing at doing. It's almost endearing to watch  Even if others have tried it before nothing compares to the insane marketing machine that marvel has going at the moment. More people care about comic book super heroes than ever and marvel has the by far biggest piece of that pie. I think they have realized that they don't win anything by holding back, hence the amount of stuff that does down in Cap 2, the pace of late season 1 and now season 2, the direction they went with for Guardians of the Galaxy and their release schedule announcement. I guess since every movie they've made recently has pulled in several hundred million dollars they're feeling confident about their strategy.
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JT Smiley posted:I just re-watched that fight the other day and it was even better than I remembered. Seriously how can someone not like May after she stapled Ward to the ground and roundhouse kicked him in the face? They're welcome to keep the stunt actor around and have her double for a character that shows some personality.
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Nov 14, 2014 02:24
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I loved Ward's Francis York Morgan cosplay at the end there.
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As far as TV show tie-ins, a nod should be given to Arrow and Flash. Characters will hop shows for an episode (and be absent from that episode of the other show), one of the bad guys from Arrow is going to show up in Flash soon, episode 8 of this season is a two-part mashup of both shows, it's not on the same scale as Shield with the movies, but they interact more often.
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Sir Kodiak posted:They're welcome to keep the stunt actor around and have her double for a character that shows some personality. How does it feel to be a bad person with bad opinions?
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