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When you dive up your own rear end, know that your players are pulling poo poo out of theirs?
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 05:49 |
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I'm John Stuart Mill and I think it's rad that Utility is doubled from the first panel to the last. \
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 06:46 |
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moths posted:I'm John Stuart Mill and I think it's rad that Utility is doubled from the first panel to the last. Seriously- the text tries to argue "Oh, it'll die out now that THE CORES are gone" but the visual story is still "more people are playing and having fun." They are so close to it but they can't see it.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 06:48 |
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quote:Yes, 4e is not a very good RPG. It's more like a board game with RPG elements. Combat is slow, complex, and allows for no creativity. Powers are only described in rules terms, they don't actually have a diegetic explanation in game, which means that you can't find creative uses for your spells and abilities. quote:PHB 1, page 145: quote:Right, there's flavor text, but there's no mechanism of action that can be explained in diegetic terms. Perhaps not for every single power without exception, but it's certainly the norm. And the whole daily/encounter power system is massively dissociated, as well.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 07:06 |
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Maxwell Lord posted:Seriously- the text tries to argue "Oh, it'll die out now that THE CORES are gone" but the visual story is still "more people are playing and having fun." :"No, my enjoyment is intellectual and refined and therefore worth 3x as much as those jocks' mere fun."
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 07:17 |
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inklesspen posted:Yep. Crossbowmen were great but not as great as longbowmen, and there were a couple of key mistakes the French made. (Their crossbowmen were hired mercenaries.) They fought shortly after a rainstorm (bows could easily be unstrung and the strings kept dry, but not so for the crossbows) and screwed up their logistics train (the crossbowmen used shields to duck behind while reloading; these shields were stuck at the back of the train). Then when the crossbows had failed to produce the expected result, the French cavalry attacked their mercenaries while they were trying to retreat. Those mercenary crossbowmen were professionals. They worked in teams of two and three and used a drill to maintain continuous fire(one man fired, others reloaded). When armor quality improved, bows lost a lot of their effectiveness. The advantages of longbowmen came more to tactical circumstance than some innate advantage in capability. The main disadvantage of the French was their poor use of light troops, which meant that they were quite often at a disadvantage tactically. After the Hundred Years' War, the French tried to include lighter troops but new problems were cropping up and Swiss pikemen became the dominant infantry type until the Spanish made some innovations that ushered in the shot and pike era.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 11:34 |
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Covok posted:I feel there is a leap of logic in the above. Why would a game the focuses on the exploration of nihilism and the nature of good and evil lead to making power rangers as PCs and other poo poo of "halfling-hiding-in-whore's rear end" caliber? Different DM in that case. The German guys games tended to involve stuff like fantasy post apocalypse scenarios in the vein of Boy and His Dog meets Black Company or campaigns where players all have different hidden goals but it turns out that everyone got the "secretly murder other players" goal.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 12:26 |
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Maxwell Lord posted:Seriously- the text tries to argue "Oh, it'll die out now that THE CORES are gone" but the visual story is still "more people are playing and having fun." I just noticed that too - it's the same number of people playing except: 1. The people now playing are more diverse. 2. The people now playing are still having fun. 3. The people that left are shitlords, which is a net plus for the hobby now that they're gone.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 16:20 |
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This thread is some weak poo poo. About two pages of hardly any grog?Desborouggggleblglgle posted:Gamergate the Card Game commemorates THE defining culture war of this generation - by taking the piss out of all sides.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 17:11 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:Blah Blah Diegetic Blah I see someone is using a word without knowing what it means.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 17:53 |
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Omnicrom posted:I see someone is using a word without knowing what it means. "Powers just have mechanics and no real explanation in the game world." *Posts several powers and their explanations in the game worlds.* "Well that doesn't really count because you see" Maxwell Lord posted:Shit_that_didnt_happen_even_in_a_game.txt Chaltab fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Dec 4, 2014 |
# ? Dec 4, 2014 18:31 |
ascendance posted:This seems quite self-explanatory. Reminds me of the horror of FATAL. This is loving hilarious, but probably bullshit.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 19:36 |
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Plague of Hats posted:This thread is some weak poo poo. About two pages of hardly any grog? Insofar as this is funny at all and not just sad, it's particularly funny that they list "Comicbook allies" when comics fandom has pretty unilaterally told Gamergate off and is generally associated with a pretty high level of anti-sexism and other social-justice activism. Just keep sayin' it and it might be true, James "Please Dear God Someone Give Me A Cool Nickname" Desborough!
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# ? Dec 5, 2014 00:00 |
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# ? Dec 5, 2014 00:58 |
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Yes of course. Because refusing to carry a terrible product is proof of collusion and falls under the purview of anti-trust law. In recent news I created a hilarious new t-shirt, and it is illegal for Target not to sell it.
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# ? Dec 5, 2014 01:11 |
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quote:@DriveThruRPG You lost a customer here. You shoudn't have listened to the willing lackeys of immoral corporate media. Amazing.
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# ? Dec 5, 2014 01:13 |
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Dare I ask what the story is here
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# ? Dec 5, 2014 02:18 |
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It sounds like Drivethru won't sell his schoolgirl tentacle rape cardgame and he's blaming BIG GAMING because some other developers, ones with souls, said they didn't want to be associated with a company that sells that poo poo.
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# ? Dec 5, 2014 02:23 |
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moths posted:It sounds like Drivethru won't sell his schoolgirl tentacle rape cardgame and he's blaming BIG GAMING because some other developers, ones with souls, said they didn't want to be associated with a company that sells that poo poo. I figured it was the gamergate cardgame mentioned a couple posts above
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# ? Dec 5, 2014 02:25 |
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Captain Walker posted:I figured it was the gamergate cardgame mentioned a couple posts above It is, that's no longer on the drivethru site.
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# ? Dec 5, 2014 02:38 |
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Oh, well poo poo. That makes sense. Found this gem while deciding if I should take advantage of Privateer's bundle deal on the IK RPG: quote:Should not have mixed miniatures and pen & paper RPG, November 20, 2012 Miniatures-based combat in a game based on a miniatures combat game feels like a game? Those fuckers. NOT A TRUE ROLE PLAYING
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# ? Dec 5, 2014 02:47 |
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4Chan posted:No, but in all of human history warfare has been about trade-offs. Speed vs. protection, accuracy vs. rate of fire, etc. In EVERYTHING we humans know there has been a trade-off. You couldn't have it all. You can't have the super-protective armour that at the same time let's you keep your dexterity and speed, and making a fantasy universe where that is true (personally) ruins the immersion. One guy asked for Marines in Power Armor yet without pauldrons. Some other guy got really upset that Tac Marines and Assault Marines wear the same armor.
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# ? Dec 5, 2014 03:36 |
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Wait are we allowed to use 4chan as a source now?
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# ? Dec 5, 2014 03:55 |
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Not selling his lovely card game: just like not baking cakes for gay people.
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# ? Dec 5, 2014 03:57 |
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Pulsedragon posted:Wait are we allowed to use 4chan as a source now? I believe it was always allowed just sparingly and in context. Elf Slave Wat Do is just
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# ? Dec 5, 2014 05:00 |
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4chan is like fishing with dynamite.
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# ? Dec 5, 2014 05:56 |
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Ronwayne posted:Elf Slave Wat Do What's the story behind this? There's a pretty decent fantasy art tumblr with that name, but I don't remember them posting anything too objectionable other than their name.
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# ? Dec 5, 2014 06:22 |
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Someone posts a cartoon/animu/deviant art picture of a female elf with the text suggesting what will you do with this helpless elf female, my fellow neckbeards? After a time it just became a non-sequitur to shout/post, like beecock/cuck/small bart is on SA. Sort of like how "ring around the rosies" is no longer assorted with apocalyptic plauge death.
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# ? Dec 5, 2014 06:26 |
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moths posted:Oh, well poo poo. That makes sense. Haha. The minis ruin the immersion? The fact that the minis you can get are purposefully designed for that setting? Why is it assumed just because it uses minis for combat (and it works well I might add) that it is then assumed the entire game should be run as a minis dungeon crawl?
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# ? Dec 5, 2014 20:29 |
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Whoops, failed my don't-be-a-bastard save.quote:I would like to state of how much the way the current voting block is making me nervous. The vote is whether to change the terminology of the First Tongue. At first, I wanted it to stay the same because it's hard for me to pronounce the new versions. Then I notice that the new terms sounded a bit Arabian, like in Arabian Nights and RPGs set in a fictional version of the Middle East. Then that led to the crazy stuff that ISIS is doing. Given that werewolves love to hunt, I worry that the Uratha and the Pure would be seen as jihadist-like groups in the World of Darkness. quote:I sorry about that. I know nothing about Sumerian lingo, and I immediately thought Arabian because it's the earliest thing I know of that uses that type of pronounciation with their language. I'm not as educated as other people on this forum about this topic, but whenever I hear the language I think of every pop culture reference set in the Middle East because the same pronouncation is used there. quote:First, I want to thank those who are allowing me to use the old terms. I hope Onyx Path will allow the same discretion. quote:And in a sort of circle jerk, you implied that I'm racist because of said equation. Plus, the reason why I think Arabian when I see the words is that NO ONE, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TELLING ME I'M WRONG, KNOWS IT'S SUMERIAN! I don't know Sumerian, my Mom doesn't know Sumerian, my brother doesn't know Sumerian, and the guys that I game with doesn't know Sumerian. It's comments like yours that me feel like a high school graduate discussing literature with Harvard Valedictorians and I'm sick to death on this elitist snobbery. And to use the term "racist" for people who don't agree with people like you just makes me wonder why I spend my time discussing these topics. Plus, I HAVE ASD, okay? I won't get all the cues that you do, but it doesn't excuse the fact that you insulted me when I was trying to concede. This makes me hope that the Ghost Wolves are the third voice in 2E, because I don't want to be on EITHER side, if people are just going to troll each other.
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# ? Dec 5, 2014 22:18 |
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Nobody tell that guy about the term "Jyhad" in oWoD. I think he might die.
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# ? Dec 5, 2014 23:01 |
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dr_ether posted:Haha. The minis ruin the immersion? The fact that the minis you can get are purposefully designed for that setting? Judging from John Wicks' 3e review in the old grog thread, use of minis was looked down upon in the early 2000s as well. I wasn't a gamer then and this is assuming John Wick wasn't just talking for himself, but, if it's true, I wonder why. Is it s cost thing? Is it an attempt to distance the hobby from wargames? For people who were into GNS theory, was it because it limited narrative power? Or, at least, was perceived to?
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# ? Dec 5, 2014 23:46 |
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Covok posted:Judging from John Wicks' 3e review in the old grog thread, use of minis was looked down upon in the early 2000s as well. I wasn't a gamer then and this is assuming John Wick wasn't just talking for himself, but, if it's true, I wonder why. Is it s cost thing? Is it an attempt to distance the hobby from wargames? For people who were into GNS theory, was it because it limited narrative power? Or, at least, was perceived to? Well he did write a rant about roleplaying, rules, and social roleplay and how it is better to just act than roll. Honestly, having run a fair amount of IKRPG, and WoD, I like both for what they give. With decent minis, scenery etc, it made IKRPG a lot easier for fight scenes and for people to explain what they wanted to do. Of course all other scenes are just normal mini-less rp. I don't get why that is a bad thing when trying to imagine the entire fight scene in your head can be a lot more effort than just getting the minis out.
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# ? Dec 6, 2014 00:02 |
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Covok posted:Judging from John Wicks' 3e review in the old grog thread, use of minis was looked down upon in the early 2000s as well. I wasn't a gamer then and this is assuming John Wick wasn't just talking for himself, but, if it's true, I wonder why. Is it s cost thing? Is it an attempt to distance the hobby from wargames? For people who were into GNS theory, was it because it limited narrative power? Or, at least, was perceived to? ROLEPLAYING, NOT ROLLPLAYING. Basically starting in the 90's you had games increasingly try to distance themselves from D&D, the most successful being Vampire: the Masquerade. Nerds being nerds, this almost immediately turned into bickering as to which game was the one for mature, intelligent, sophisticated roleplayers. White Wolf, despite like 90% of their rules still being about combat, played of their stereotype as being all about stories and drama and being your character as opposed to D&D's brute hack and slash. D&D in turn got on it's own metagame train and started to vomit out settings like there was no tomorrow and push novels harder then D&D has ever pushed before or since. So even before the whole GNS thing everyone was screaming that only they were the true roleplayers not like those other storygamers or rollplayers or what have you. By 2000 you had 3e trying to step away from all of this by advertising itself BACK TO THE DUNGEON and COOL PRECISE FIGHTING RULES and AWESOME CHARACTER BUILDING METAGAME, but then the Forge hit the internet and threw out the GNS theory which labeled D&D exactly what it had been labeling itself as only for D&D fans to get insulted and begin backtracking immediately and screaming about how D&D isn't just dungeon crawls and fighting rules and character building. It's not even as if this is only a tabletop gaming thing, mind you. Look at how many people in the video game hobby lost their poo poo over Gone Home or how smug people get over not liking Cal of Duty or whatever. Nerds being insufferable and exclusionary is maybe just an inherent thing.
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# ? Dec 6, 2014 01:02 |
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Covok posted:Judging from John Wicks' 3e review in the old grog thread, use of minis was looked down upon in the early 2000s as well. I wasn't a gamer then and this is assuming John Wick wasn't just talking for himself, but, if it's true, I wonder why. Is it s cost thing? Is it an attempt to distance the hobby from wargames? For people who were into GNS theory, was it because it limited narrative power? Or, at least, was perceived to? It's a symptom of the kind of game and/or player group where it is considered necessary and/or convenient to keep track of positions in combat. I'd say it's not so much that it limited narrative power as it was that it implied the kind of game where narrative isn't This is less of an active conspiracy and more of a wild speculation mixed with some pop-cultural knowledge of how groups interact though; on the converse side, you have all the guffawing and hawing whenever someone suggests playing a GM-less or freeform RPG, which serves much the same social purpose. drat, I should pay in rum mixed with water: Naive guy posted:This is to explore the idea if "Gypsies" (And I'm aware that some Roma people consider this an offensive term, and some don't, so I'll avoid using the term as much as possible from here on) as they appear in classic gothic horror stories and movies, can be incorporated into modern Horror Games such as the World of Darkness, without being horribly offensive or overly stereotypical. "I want to take the core elements of the racist depiction of the Roma people to depict the Roma people, only with all the racist stuff removed!" LatwPIAT fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Dec 6, 2014 |
# ? Dec 6, 2014 02:02 |
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ProfessorCirno posted:ROLEPLAYING, NOT ROLLPLAYING. Smug nerds (like, uh, me at the time) looked down on D&D as the sort of simple-minded (yet also overly-complicated!) game that you played until you were ready for a real roleplaying game that wasn't just mindless combat and powering up, and pitied the people who stuck with it despite the presence of so many obviously better choices. And the 1990s took that strain and ran with it, both with WW/WoD's alleged emphasis on story and mood and theme and political maneuvering and the explosion in super-detailed metaplotted settings (which included a lot of AD&D worlds, where you had to read a stream of tie-in novels if you wanted to keep up with the ongoing changes) and eventually culminating in things like 7th Sea and Brave New World and Trinity, where critical setting details about what was really going on were withheld from the GM until more than a dozen supplement books were published. D&D 3E was (as you point out) a clear break from this progression, with its original emphasis on straight-up Dungeoneering and its detailed tactical combat rules and its original emphasis on toolkit-style design (for the GM to build his world from) instead of hyper-detailed pre-made settings. And this drove a number of people completely bugfuck, because it wrecked their notion of the hobby inexorably evolving from its base, vulgar, crude Gygaxian roots towards a more refined story/narrative gaming thing. Wick in particular is furious because his preferred style of play (GM tells an intricate story full of important NPCs that PCs flit around in) was being deprecated in favor of a kill things/take stuff/level up/gently caress yeah throwback approach. It's particularly funny because by the time 4E came out, 3E had evolved (in many nerd minds) into this intricately detailed and infinitely customizable game engine that WotC unforgivably pitched aside in favor of a tabletop WoW emulator boardgame for babbies that wasn't even a real RPG. This, depsite the fact that 3E was full of range templates and facing rules and flanking effects and grappling rules that were like a zen koan to decipher and, oh yeah, Attacks Of Opportunity. Which just goes to prove your point that... quote:Nerds being insufferable and exclusionary is maybe just an inherent thing.
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# ? Dec 6, 2014 03:26 |
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What I usually hear is that miniatures "distract" from the ROLEplaying by "making players focus too much on the map" and not on coming up with creative descriptions for their actions. While some of that can undoubtedly be chalked up to a DM that doesn't try and make an interesting battlefield (if it's just going to be a wide open plain then yeah just TOTM that poo poo), it always strikes me as an astounding failure of imagination.
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# ? Dec 6, 2014 05:32 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:What I usually hear is that miniatures "distract" from the ROLEplaying by "making players focus too much on the map" and not on coming up with creative descriptions for their actions. Different people visualise things different ways. And some people are more creative when starting with a blank sheet of paper, others with limits. It really doesn't help that there's a certain amount of learned helplessness in a number of grid based systems, with the system telling you what you can't do rather than showing you things you can (3.X being a prime offender)
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# ? Dec 6, 2014 11:12 |
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I wonder where those girls and "Dudebros" come from (I'm using dudebro in all my conversations now because it makes me laugh) because I see exactly 0 women who aren't just as nerdy and weird as the men at my FLGS, and its not much different with the RPG groups. Exactly 0 "dudebros" unless I'm what they are talking about because I occasionally talk about sports and poo poo while doing my nerd stuff. Wait was this talking stuff going on in a high-school or something?
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# ? Dec 6, 2014 16:18 |
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Numlock posted:I wonder where those girls and "Dudebros" come from (I'm using dudebro in all my conversations now because it makes me laugh) because I see exactly 0 women who aren't just as nerdy and weird as the men at my FLGS, and its not much different with the RPG groups. Exactly 0 "dudebros" unless I'm what they are talking about because I occasionally talk about sports and poo poo while doing my nerd stuff. They are talking in the context of non organized game groups, IE you have four guys who like some nerdy games/whatever and they decide to split the starter box for the Game of Thrones LCG, or you have a small group of friends who plays a miniatures game in a garage. I've seen the progression they are talking about in that comic happen many times but not for the reasons they state, it's usually because a small number of the players are socially stunted manchildren who can't handle an expanding social circle with changing tastes. Because what they are describing (from a twisted and wrong point of view) is a social circle of friends forming initially around an activity and then expanding to wanting to be a group of people that does things together that isn't just the initial activity. These are the kinds of people who can't realize that just because everyone they are friends with met playing Magic, and Magic was what initially made them friends it doesn't mean that Magic is the only thing they do when they are together. There is a long rear end history of insane nerd tribalism and inability to comprehend people who have interests that exist beyond a very small sphere of "things I am obsessed with".
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# ? Dec 6, 2014 17:03 |