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Actually, is there a way to beat a player who starts o== ==o Where o are empty spaces? I think the starting player can always respond to any move by making sure the board always has two "triangles" open like after the first move. For example, in the simplest example, it goes : 1: o== ==o 2: o==\ ==oo 3: o==\ ===/ 4: ===\ ===/ 5: /===\ \===/ Win!
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Running With Spoons posted:Actually, is there a way to beat a player who starts Second player could just play: 4: ====\ o===/ e: And then both players would alternate placing two horizontally on alternating rows, eventually becoming impossible for one player or the other, depending on the number of tiles.
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Enkor posted:There's no reason to think that second player has an advantage. It's like you started with an empty board, and then went first by playing the 2 tracks. You can force a win as the two player if you disregard possibilites like "2 open slots that have to be filled to complete the track" and "impossible to complete". In this case the second player just has to make sure that the total number of tiles played after both turns is 4, which leads to the first player having to put down atleast one tile with 4 tiles remaining, which leads to a player 2 win. I think it's possible that player 1 can use the face that he knows how many tiles player 2 has to play to stay in the "winning" position to create a situation in which player 2 either has to play a different ammount of tiles, in which case player one is in the "default winning position" or loses by "impossible"/"2 open slots that have to be filled". I'm not sure if there is a surefire attack for player one, but this game should be solvable for either player 1 or 2 because there is no possibility of a draw. GaussianCopula fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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Roflex posted:Second player could just play: Nah, the winning play is actually: 4: /o==\ \===/ e: whoops that's losing I probably shouldn't get the rules exactly wrong I think as the starting player I'd want to do something like = = == for the first move
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Running With Spoons posted:Actually, is there a way to beat a player who starts /===\ \===/ Win
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Nooooooooooo! I didn't want it to go down this way! Edit: AHHH I spoke too soon! YES!  DONGMIN PULLS VICTORY FROM THE JAWS OF DEFEAT!!!!!This has to be the best episode of the season. Awesome twist at the end and Jinho being Jinho and dominating the main match . I hope the last two episodes are just as good as this one! NowonSA fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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Chainsawdomy posted:You're allowed to put down three tiles in a turn, so play 4 would be The 3 tiles you put down have to be in a straight line. But anyway, my solution doesn't work.
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Istvun posted:I think as the starting player I'd want to do something like This seems to be a win forcing move by player 1, because he dictates nearly the complete shape of the track (either 16 or 18 tiles including the train station) while at the same time reducing the freedom of player 2 to place as many segments as he wishes considerably.
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Roflex posted:Second player could just play: Yes, that situation forces a victory for player A. There are 18 tiles in the show's version of the game, 2 of which are the initial tracks. From the original opener by Player A, Player B can force a victory like so: code:So if the two players extend the track in this way until the tiles run out, Player B is guaranteed to win. (When both players play perfectly, the victor is made certain when the minimum length and shape of the complete track reaches its 18-tile maximum). I don't know what the optimal opening moves for each player are. But by using some pen and paper, and playing with a friend, I think it's likely that the "guaranteed victor" can change depending on the arbitrary opening moves 1-4. Anyway, linearly extending the track like in my example is against A's interest. So what should A do? Change the shape of the track, of course. But this introduces uncertainty again and is a pain to analyse. So let's consider only the cases in which the final shape of the track is fixed. This is possible like so: code:code:The difficulty with these scenarios is that you're playing for both players. Fall fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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Running With Spoons posted:The 3 tiles you put down have to be in a straight line. A vertical straight line is still a straight line. It doesn't have to be horizontal.
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It's been said before, but Yeonjoo's loss was heartbreaking. I wanted her to win just to punish these guys who keep picking the women for what they think is an easy win. Yoohyun got punished for it last week, would have been great to see Dong get the same treatment. Also just to break the Min alliance, it's getting a bit played out. Would have liked to see Dr and Yeonjoo team up against Hyunmin in the next episode. I think he knew that was about to happen when Dong was about to lose, his celebration when Dong pulled it out of the bag was a bit too obvious. The genius has gotten a whole lot less cute 
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Her line about how she always expects to get picked was kind of sad.
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But wasn't she really picked because of the deal Yeonsung had made the previous episode? I mean, after her dominant performance last ep in the laser maze game, I don't think she was any less intimidating than Yeonsung.
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I felt so bad for her. If she were a man there's no way she'd have lost. She just seems so unsure of herself, which was her main downfall. You could even see she figured it all out! She just didn't trust herself enough to call him out.
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Yeah, she and Ahyoung had the lack of self confidence in common actually. The difference between them was that Yeonjoo keeps her head under pressure. (and she never whined about getting the token because "how can I win the deathmatch!!!") It's unfortunate that just when she starts to understand her fatal flaw, she gets eliminated. But there really wasn't any other way. I hope they invite Yeonjoo back next season.
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they should invite cool and confident song ji-hyo next season
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Davincie posted:they should invite cool and confident song ji-hyo next season That guy was pretty smart, I reckon he could go all the way!
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Hell, they should invite me, the titty god
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redreader posted:I felt so bad for her. If she were a man there's no way she'd have lost. Uh what?
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Soylentbits posted:Uh what? South Korea is pretty culturally sexist to the point where women believe in their own inferiority compared to men, so they rarely challenge the men like the men challenge each other. I'm glad she learned to be more confident in herself, I just wish she'd realised it a little bit sooner. Heartbreaking to watch.
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Xachariah posted:South Korea is pretty culturally sexist to the point where women believe in their own inferiority compared to men, so they rarely challenge the men like the men challenge each other. Kyungrun would have kicked the poo poo out of the season 3 cast.
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Davincie posted:they should invite cool and confident song ji-hyo next season ....this is far from this worst idea. She's snarky and clever.
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Yeah, I miss Kyungrun, she owned, season 1 owned.
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Give me Park Jiyoon from Crime Scene, damnit!Running With Spoons posted:The 3 tiles you put down have to be in a straight line. Thanks, I actually missed this. I interpreted "in a line" as just "contiguous".
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Chainsawdomy posted:Give me Park Jiyoon from Crime Scene, damnit! she'll beat every game with a venn diagram
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Symbolic Butt posted:she'll beat every game with a venn diagram Hahaha. Yeah, she would probably do really well. Could be the best female competitor since Kyungran.
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Symbolic Butt posted:she'll beat every game with a venn diagram Until they count for actual money and then she'll dramatically whiff the final shot. Edit: we would have a pretty sweet all star season if they just picked the top 4 people of each season. You'd exclude Sangmin once but you'd get Jinho, Sangmin, Kyungrun, Sungyuu, Yohwan, Mr. Magoo, girl Mr. Magoo beat, Hongchul?, Dongmin, Sujin, Mentality King, and Jinho Lite. They could throw in dealer nuna as the 13th person. Soylentbits fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Dec 9, 2014 |
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I'd kind of like to see Jimmy Cha back.
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Let's be real, we all just want the entire season 1 cast back
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Nah there are a lot of other people I'd like to see.
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We can't start doing all-star seasons until we get at least one Running Man cast member drat it. What's Joong-Ki doing these days?
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I can imagine both Yoo Jae Suk and Kim Jong Kook being amazing at this game. Jae Suk is obviously a smart fucker and Jong Kook's ability to figure out the producer's plans before they get to blossom borders on annoying.
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comedy kwang soo and big nose options, both get eleminated in the first two tounds
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Getting some people from Abnormal Summit would be fun. Tyler Rasch has a 'genius' type image so get him or Enes for maximum hilarity.
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Maduo posted:What's Joong-Ki doing these days? I think he might actually have a reputable career.
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Zythrst posted:Getting some people from Abnormal Summit would be fun. Tyler Rasch has a 'genius' type image so get him or Enes for maximum hilarity. Enes you can forget. He is involved in a adultery scandal at the moment.
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Season 4 better have a member of Super Junior in it  I'm not picky as long as it's one of the clever ones (remember their guest episode?)
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Well I won't be happy if it's not Kim Heechul. Dude's hilarious and obviously hella smart.
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sharktamer posted:Well I won't be happy if it's not Kim Heechul. Dude's hilarious and obviously hella smart. He's good friends with Jinho too. I'm still not picky though because they have at least 5 other members that are just as clever and funny. You can't beat SuJu when it comes to variety 
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Nexal posted:Enes you can forget. He is involved in a adultery scandal at the moment. Pffffft  Of course it would be the conservative blowhard involved in an adultery scandal. Of course.
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