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The only problems with control I had with Skyward Sword was it getting uncalibrated fairly often, but the solution for that is a single button press. I also used the motion plus add-on rather than the wiimote with the motion plus built in, so that might have something to do with it.
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ColdPie posted:Sometimes those specific movements don't register correctly, so people had trouble playing the game consistently. I've got a crazy idea. Let's build switches into the controller. Then the user can press the switch while swinging the controller a certain way, and the movement will be certain to register. Let's include different switch for each movement. In fact, why not drop the swinging? Just press the switch to represent an action. Boom, no more misreading movements, ever. People can accurately and viably speedrun the game. I don't doubt that people disliked the controls but I've played the game on four different systems in four different conditions and somehow managed to not have problems in any of them, so I really think that people are taking "I disliked the controls and didn't want to play with them" and devolving it into "it didn't work!" When someone talks about how they were flailing their arms around and the controls didn't work, that sounds like user error. I don't argue that they didn't have flaws and I prefer button controls to motion controls myself, but the hyperbole over the SS controls is a bit silly. I don't blame anyone for wanting to go back to classic controls at all but still. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Dec 9, 2014 |
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Dec 9, 2014 02:25
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The controls worked perfectly for me. And I don't mean I had to spend 10 years training in a secret wiimote dojo on a Tibetan mountain to get the game to respond properly. I brought the game home, put it in the wii, picked up my controller, and did what the game said to do... and it controlled flawlessly from the start. It works. You people must be using faulty wiimotes, there can't be another explanation.
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Dec 9, 2014 02:56
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*wildly flails huge flabby retard arms* it doesn't work!!!
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Dec 9, 2014 03:07
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WiiU Zelda looks like a fun game to get lost in. I can't wait to play.
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Dec 9, 2014 03:32
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Even if the controls worked perfectly, you still had to do dumb things like raise your
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Dec 9, 2014 03:40
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Mahoning posted:Even if the controls worked perfectly, you still had to do dumb things like raise your You only had to hold it vertically, not over your head.
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Dec 9, 2014 03:45
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Some goons are so out of shape they can't lift their arm higher than a resting position. That's a great thing to learn.
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Dec 9, 2014 03:55
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Hedrigall posted:Some goons are so out of shape they can't lift their arm higher than a resting position. That's a great thing to learn. I know what you meant here, but there are legitimately people who could have trouble playing a game like that - reduced range of motion from an injury, ill health, etc.
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Dec 9, 2014 04:14
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ImpAtom posted:People can accurately and viably speedrun the game. I don't doubt that people disliked the controls but I've played the game on four different systems in four different conditions and somehow managed to not have problems in any of them, so I really think that people are taking "I disliked the controls and didn't want to play with them" and devolving it into "it didn't work!" When someone talks about how they were flailing their arms around and the controls didn't work, that sounds like user error. I've never played SS. Motion controls are garbage and belong in the "well, it was worth a shot" dustbin of history, right next to 3D.
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Dec 9, 2014 04:29
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ColdPie posted:I've never played SS. Motion controls are garbage and belong in the "well, it was worth a shot" dustbin of history, right next to 3D. Actually motion controls and 3D are both great.
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Dec 9, 2014 04:31
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ColdPie posted:I've never played SS. Motion controls are garbage and belong in the "well, it was worth a shot" dustbin of history, right next to 3D. "I never played it but I know it sucked" is a pretty lovely argument, man. I don't like motion controls myself much but there's a difference between disliking them and them being defective. Full Battle Rattle posted:I know what you meant here, but there are legitimately people who could have trouble playing a game like that - reduced range of motion from an injury, ill health, etc. While this is true, the same applies to all forms of control and the opposite is also true. I have a friend who has a problem with his hand which makes it pretty much impossible for him to hold a 360/PS3 controller but he can comfortably hold a Wiimote + Nunchuck and the use of motion controls instead of buttons means he can play games he wouldn't otherwise be able to. Back in high school I had to help modify a teacher's kid's Gameboy so he could play it because he was in an accident and lost his hand. Even then he could only play certain games. It legitimately sucks and I wish more games would offer support (at least in the form of customizable controls) for people who have trouble with certain kinds of inputs, but it isn't something exclusive to Wiimote controls at all. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Dec 9, 2014 |
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Dec 9, 2014 04:31
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Hedrigall posted:Some goons are so out of shape they can't lift their arm higher than a resting position. That's a great thing to learn. Reminds me of the "informed criticism" of the Wii when it was revealed. "You're arms are going to get tired!"
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Dec 9, 2014 04:43
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Full Battle Rattle posted:I know what you meant here, but there are legitimately people who could have trouble playing a game like that - reduced range of motion from an injury, ill health, etc. Actually, that's completely true and I feel bad about my joke now.
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Dec 9, 2014 05:22
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Again, part of the problem is just how people's bodies move. I did well enough with vertical and horizontal slashes, but the diagonals were really difficult for me, and Ghirahim just loves him some diagonal hitboxes. I wasn't waving my arm like a spaz, I was flicking my wrist; but evidently, the way I do that doesn't register properly with Motion+. Que sera.
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Dec 9, 2014 06:14
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romanowski posted:*wildly flails huge flabby retard arms* it doesn't work!!! Seriously, what kind of wacky set-up did people have for Skyward Sword that made the controls so hard? Do you live on the Island from Lost and there are magnetic forces tilting Link's sword toward the hatch?
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Full Battle Rattle posted:I know what you meant here, but there are legitimately people who could have trouble playing a game like that - reduced range of motion from an injury, ill health, etc. "I lost my hands in the war and can't use the gamepad. This game sucks!" uh, maybe train your feet more?
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Dec 9, 2014 06:22
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Bicyclops posted:Seriously, what kind of wacky set-up did people have for Skyward Sword that made the controls so hard? The MotionPlus add-on.
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Dec 9, 2014 06:26
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Motion Controls, some people love them, others hate them, but you gotta respect them. I was look at the Zelda U map and I noticed a hurricane to the left and a skull on the top right. I bet it will be fun and cool to explore those areas in the game. The new Zelda game that is coming out next year.
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Yeah, why are we drudging through the "Motion controls in SS don't work!/Motion controls totally work you noobs!" argument again when we could be talking about Zelda U instead? Or how awesome the 3D remake of Majora's Mask is gonna be? Or how overpowered Twili Midna is in Hyrule Warriors? Hell, worst comes to worst, we can talk about all the other reasons Skyward Sword sucks! Just anything but the motion controls again 
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Dec 9, 2014 08:32
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I hope the new Zelda controls like the DS ones.
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Dec 9, 2014 08:40
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Zelda U is gonna be a Tingle-fied version of Pacman 2 that's controlled by yelling commands into the gamepad mic.
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Dec 9, 2014 08:45
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So Bayonetta 2 came with a free copy of Bayonetta 1 in every box. What if Zelda U came with a free copy of Twilight Princess HD in every box 
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Dec 9, 2014 09:50
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Including Bayonetta 1 with Bayonetta 2 was a value add. Including Twilight Princess with the new Zelda is the opposite.
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Gorgolflox posted:Motion Controls, some people love them, others hate them, but you gotta respect them. I actually wonder on whether its a hurricane (though that would be awesome, and not without its place in Zelda), or if perhaps its a snow region.
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Dec 9, 2014 11:10
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Not to get all Real World on the thread, but hurricanes don't get that far inland. It's probably a snowy region.
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Dec 9, 2014 11:22
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With that hole right in the center, I'm thinking its the clouds over Death Mountain.
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Dec 9, 2014 11:26
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I wasn't being serious with the hurricane thing, it's probably clouds or snow. I'm more interested in what the skull is, Death Mountain? Ganon's House? Kooloo-Limpah?
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Dec 9, 2014 12:08
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I hope it's the town. Skull Town.
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Dec 9, 2014 12:22
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Lines up sort of with the Sorceress Temple from Hyrule Warriors. I'd love this to be a near sequal to Skyward Sword during the expansion of Hyrule as a kingdom.
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TechnoSyndrome posted:Including Bayonetta 1 with Bayonetta 2 was a value add. Including Twilight Princess with the new Zelda is the opposite. Twilight Princess was a good game, sorry.
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Bicyclops posted:Twilight Princess was a good game, sorry. B-but it took multiple button presses to become a wolf, and the world map was big and empty, also bloom 
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:B-but it took multiple button presses to become a wolf, and the world map was big and empty, also bloom This but seriously.
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Dec 9, 2014 15:05
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There's twili midna in hyrule warriors?
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Blackheart posted:There's twili midna in hyrule warriors? Yup. She was DLC. I mean, the game isn't perfect. The fishing mini-game sucks, the day/night mechanic can't be manipulated and you have to hunt the poes at night, yadda yadda, but half the complaints people have about it apply to Ocarina of Time. Like the big field is actually kind of fun in this one, it's an intended feature to let you ride your horse around and search the corners of it for stuff (and it's not as empty as people pretend). The bloom lighting is a good design choice for the subject matter. They can't all be Windwaker.
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Also it has really good art design (that part near the end where Midna goes full Evangelion is awesome) and the dungeons are generally better than both WW and SS! Also that last Ganon fight rules. TP is greaaaaatt.
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Blackheart posted:There's twili midna in hyrule warriors? She fights by summoning giant hands, the sky city cannon, a pack of wolves, and the Kakariko Gorge bridge.
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A lot of those flaws people mention like multiple button presses to become a wolf, day and night mechanic, horse whistle way too late, confusion about how much a blue rupee is worth(they only remind you once per game start and i keep forgetting!) etc could be easily fixed in a remake just like Wind Waker's most glaring flaws were. Iron some of those out, clean up the lighting and brighten some texture colors just a wee bit, and improve pacing before the first dungeon and you've made the game a ton better already, before all of the quality of life improvements the gamepad and being in 1080p can add.
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greatn posted:A lot of those flaws people mention like multiple button presses to become a wolf, day and night mechanic, horse whistle way too late, confusion about how much a blue rupee is worth(they only remind you once per game start and i keep forgetting!) etc could be easily fixed in a remake just like Wind Waker's most glaring flaws were. Yeah, that's very true. I'm amazed at how minimal the changes were in the actual gameplay for Windwaker in some ways and how vastly it was improved by the three or four differences. I'm looking forward to seeing what they change in Majora's Mask.
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I never got the "it takes multiple button presses to become a wolf" thing because like... yes, it does. It also takes multiple button presses to do half the other poo poo in other Zelda games. You have to play a song every time you want to fast-travel, don't even get me started on swapping boots. It's an annoyance but treating it like a major game-crippling mistake, especially when it has been present in other Zelda games, is pretty silly.
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