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Mr Tastee posted:My uncle's read the main series, so I wanted to get him something else either written by Martin or related to ASoIaF for Christmas. What's the least garbage option? Beauty and the Beast on
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Unzip and Attack posted:All of that is predicated on Varys knowing, for a fact, that Jorah would choose to protect Dany over receiving the pardon and restoration of his noble rights. I just don't buy that. I don't think Jorah himself knew until that instant what he would do, let alone Varys half a world away with no knowledge of the knight's feelings for Dany. I don't think he botched the assassination but he thought that it would accelerate Drogo's plans and he could "save" the kingdom later with Aegon and the Golden Company.
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computer parts posted:I don't think he botched the assassination but he thought that it would accelerate Drogo's plans and he could "save" the kingdom later with Aegon and the Golden Company. By plans you mean that Drogo would have invaded Westeros in retaliation for Dany's murder?
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Dec 11, 2014 17:28
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loneliness and obsession are a lethal combination. some people read waaay too much into things.
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Dec 11, 2014 17:34
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Should have known better, should have known better.
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Ape Gone Insane posted:Should have known better, should have known better. Are we talking Elio and Linda style old fashioned family racism fun or actual fun?
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Dec 11, 2014 17:44
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They have a joint twitter? Which one cheated?
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Unzip and Attack posted:By plans you mean that Drogo would have invaded Westeros in retaliation for Dany's murder? Yes, and then Aegon would come as a literal knight in shining armor and take the kingdom back.
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Unzip and Attack posted:All of that is predicated on Varys knowing, for a fact, that Jorah would choose to protect Dany over receiving the pardon and restoration of his noble rights. I just don't buy that. I don't think Jorah himself knew until that instant what he would do, let alone Varys half a world away with no knowledge of the knight's feelings for Dany. In GRRM's wormy brain an old man has to be attracted to young girls. It's axiomatic. Without that his whole pretend universe would fall to pieces.
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Dec 11, 2014 19:06
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Mmm yes, I can't wait to see what the writer of "A Dance with Dragons" produces after being inspired by a Star Wars teaser trailer. That just screams quality.
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Well, most swords in his world would have had crossguards already, so it can't be that.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Well, most swords in his world would have had crossguards already, so it can't be that. A black
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Dec 11, 2014 20:27
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Evil Fluffy posted:A black BUT MY IMMERSION!!!!
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A Summer Islander would never be in the Kingsguard. There's fourteen words in their oath, drat it.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:A Summer Islander would never be in the Kingsguard. There's fourteen words in their oath, drat it. 
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Unzip and Attack posted:All of that is predicated on Varys knowing, for a fact, that Jorah would choose to protect Dany over receiving the pardon and restoration of his noble rights. I just don't buy that. I don't think Jorah himself knew until that instant what he would do, let alone Varys half a world away with no knowledge of the knight's feelings for Dany. Varys has spies oversees. You can't assume he has no knowledge of Mormont's feelings for Dany, as they are painfully obvious to anybody who watches them for a minute or two. Also, he deliberately hired a lovely assassin. He didn't necessarily need to know how the attempt would fail or because of whom, he just needed to be reasonably sure that it was very likely to fail. And if he fucks up and she dies? He's got Aegon in his back pocket.
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Fhate posted:Also, he deliberately hired a lovely assassin. He didn't necessarily need to know how the attempt would fail or because of whom, he just needed to be reasonably sure that it was very likely to fail. This seems like such a horrible idea that not even GRRM would write it for one of his characters.
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Sexpansion posted:This seems like such a horrible idea that not even GRRM would write it for one of his characters. Agreed. If not for Jorah Dany would have absolutely drank the wine and died.
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Dec 11, 2014 20:51
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About the whole "Star Wars inspiration" thing, I actually get that. That makes total sense to me. It's pretty obvious that writing ASoIaF has felt like a job and a chore for him now for quite a while, and I think we can all agree that there's a difference between books 1-3 and books 4-5 that probably has to do with the fact that he's not enjoying this quite so much anymore. So hearing that he saw the new 'Star Wars' trailer and felt like a fanboy again, and got a taste of that sense of just really wanting something to be out now... It sounds stupid and obvious, but I can see how that would cause him to empathize with what he's put his fanbase through and perhaps give him some renewed determination to push through. Writing is strange, capricious, and unpredictable. In an ideal world stories like this would just evolve over time, and there wouldn't be this sort of pressure, which is ultimately kind of absurd. In an ideal world these series would just be allowed to evolve naturally, and books 4 and 5 probably weren't really ready to be written, which had something to do with how odd they are at times. Writers need something to say, after all, and some sort of reason for saying it, right? Maybe it's because I just watched this speech Ursula K. Le Guin gave a little speech where she touched on this obliquely, but it all just seems so hilariously absurd.
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Actually it's not all that unpredictable when you refuse to write while traveling and then agree to travel a whole lot.
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kaworu posted:So hearing that he saw the new 'Star Wars' trailer and felt like a fanboy again, and got a taste of that sense of just really wanting to sell his property to a studio and rake in the cash. ftfy
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How do the people who earnestly believe stuff like that function in real life? I'm not from California, but I wear clothes designed by a dude who is. Is that cultural appropriation, too? Am I a horrible monster, then, and should only wear Elizabethian-era clothes, like my ancestors did? Wait, poo poo, not all of them were English! drat, what clothes should I wear, crazy internet person?! 
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quote:Cultural Appropriation in the Media #4 - How do we normalize appropriation in our everyday lives?
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that is the stupidest thing ive ever read. thats like saying someone from california shouldn't be allowed to wear a winter coat if they move to buffalo. of course her clothes changed....wtf did I just read?
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Sansa is half southron anyhow, that's some uninformed poo poo right there.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Sansa is half southron anyhow, that's some uninformed poo poo right there. She didn't even mention Rhoynar, talk about erasure.
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as bleedy-lefty as I am I just can't give a poo poo about cultural appropriation, especially since it's how syncretic cultures operate so to deny appropriation also denies an expression of culture- but that aside, if you're a crusader for this kind of thing, I would think an example that you could point to in popular culture would be good for explaining what cultural appropriation is. Which leads me to believe this is more about the chemical reward system involved in being upset about something and posting about it than it is about making any sort of salient or useful point. I mean in the US we're basically an entire culture based on large amounts of appropriation heaped upon a thin, fake noble Anglo-Saxon national origin myth. but n/m gently caress dany for both appropriating dothraki culture and imposting westerosi abolitionist morals on a foreign society
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thank you for that, I needed a good loving laugh. kaworu posted:So hearing that he saw the new 'Star Wars' trailer and felt like a fanboy again, and got a taste of that sense of just really wanting something to be out now... It sounds stupid and obvious, but I can see how that would cause him to empathize with what he's put his fanbase through and perhaps give him some renewed determination to push through. Writing is strange, capricious, and unpredictable. Yes, it is the gentle breathe of the Muse! The will-o-wisp of Creativity's tickle! The "this is what happens when someone else gets to finish your Life's work - Black Stormtroopers and Lightsabers with crossguards".
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Am I a horrible monster white. check male. check yup.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:How do the people who earnestly believe stuff like that function in real life? I'm not from California, but I wear clothes designed by a dude who is. Is that cultural appropriation, too? Am I a horrible monster, then, and should only wear Elizabethian-era clothes, like my ancestors did? Wait, poo poo, not all of them were English! drat, what clothes should I wear, crazy internet person?! I think they're confusing cultural exchange with cultural appropriation.
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This misses the point of any reasonable argument about cultural appropriation. You can't steal from the dominant culture (in this case King's Landing) because it's the dominant culture. Cultural appropriation is about people in the privileged position assuming elements (usually cosmetic) of other cultures. Like, if you're a white guy and you want to go around in a Native American headdress and try to make that your style, people are probably going to think you're being insensitive at best if not outright racist. You're co-opting the look of a another culture to be cool while ignoring any of it's cultural significance. In this case it's doubly problematic because of the erosion of Native American culture at the hands of white settlers attempting to commit genocide.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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kcroy posted:white. check Uh, don't loving presume on how I identify, you piece of poo poo. I am a meat popsicle.
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So I am reading WOIAF (I bought it, sorry). Uhhhh...Lord Grover, Ser Elmo and Ser Kermit? Eat poo poo gurm.
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ShaqDiesel posted:So I am reading WOIAF (I bought it, sorry). Uhhhh...Lord Grover, Ser Elmo and Ser Kermit? Eat poo poo gurm. Was Lord Grover known for building lovely castles?
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computer parts posted:Was Lord Grover known for building lovely castles? Chief Architect for Black Harren. Harrenhall wouldn't have burned down if the dragonfire hadn't hit the insulation under the stairs.
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420 Gank Mid posted:Chief Architect for Black Harren. Oh please - everyone KNOWS maesters were hiding wildfyre im cities and castles throughout the REALM - clearly this castle burned from the inside. Here look at this... [Photo Blocked] [Photo Blocked] [Photo Blocked] [Photo Blocked] 4 castles ALL HIT WITH DRAGON FIRE... none of them burned to the ground. Wake up Ser Sheeple.
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Karnegal posted:This misses the point of any reasonable argument about cultural appropriation. You can't steal from the dominant culture (in this case King's Landing) because it's the dominant culture. Cultural appropriation is about people in the privileged position assuming elements (usually cosmetic) of other cultures. Like, if you're a white guy and you want to go around in a Native American headdress and try to make that your style, people are probably going to think you're being insensitive at best if not outright racist. You're co-opting the look of a another culture to be cool while ignoring any of it's cultural significance. In this case it's doubly problematic because of the erosion of Native American culture at the hands of white settlers attempting to commit genocide. nah
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