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Didn't /r/bitcoin ban the "I'll start the wiki" bot after a few days or something?
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Magrov posted:holy gently caress i thought their argument was that the gun at zerlan's house was bfl property? make up your fuckin minds
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Dec 12, 2014 17:56
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this ones good too Shipping. Temporary Receiver did not prohibit shipping. The Court’s Stipulated Interim Order allowed for shipping “under conditions acceptable to the Temporary Receiver.” (Doc. 54, p. 16). Shipping required customer communication and, if more than 345 were shipped, testing of new machines. Temporary Receiver requested a communication plan, but BFL did not provide a communication plan that was acceptable to Temporary Receiver because the communication plan proposed by BFL appeared to be one-sided and forward looking beyond the interim period. (Ex. 1, ¶ 33). Further, Temporary Receiver requested a testing protocol, but this was denied by counsel for BFL. (Ex. 1, ¶ 31). Given the responses by BFL and the limited amount of time left within the interim period, the conditions were unacceptable for Temporary Receiver to allow shipping during the interim period. (Ex. 1, ¶ 26-33).
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Dec 12, 2014 17:59
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Dren posted:no i got busy at work and forgot about it ah thats a shame but now its documented in the postchain which is as good as you having done it so i guess our work here is done
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Dec 12, 2014 18:03
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quote:I use Linux and don't play videogames, how can I use my Bitcoin in Microsoft? (self.Bitcoin) guys i don't need microsoft or bitcoin but
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Dec 12, 2014 18:03
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the whole point of the wikibot is that it will start the wiki. it's not supposed to actually get around to it. as far as bfl goes i'm just waiting for the revelation of josh's wacky hijinks in brazil at this point. 
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Dec 12, 2014 18:18
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MGN001 posted:Didn't /r/bitcoin ban the "I'll start the wiki" bot after a few days or something? yes, some user in particular got pissed at it and I presume was the one who reported it in death we have a name his name was /u/ArthurPCheltham his name was /u/ArthurPCheltham
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Dec 12, 2014 18:32
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As a Millennial I posted:this ones good too Who the hell did they hire as counsel, jesus
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Dec 12, 2014 18:41
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:Who the hell did they hire as counsel, jesus i think the thought was that they weren't paying their counsel on time, so he was deliberately being unhelpful
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Dec 12, 2014 18:43
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theflyingorc posted:i think the thought was that they weren't paying their counsel on time, so he was deliberately being unhelpful i think the judge and the bar might take a dim view of that
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Dec 12, 2014 18:44
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infernal machines posted:i think the judge and the bar might take a dim view of that in that he was just rubber stamping whatever they sent, in a "you want to submit this, fine by me" way
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Dec 12, 2014 18:51
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infernal machines posted:i think the judge and the bar might take a dim view of that woozle wuzzle posted:It's a funny thing: the lawyer signed a form on 9/4/14 that he acknowledges Pirate's service in this new lawsuit. Yet he was fired on 8/29/14. Default judgment was entered against Pirate because he failed to respond to this lawsuit. What a whacky coincidence. Pro tip #2: seriously, pay your lawyer.
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Dec 12, 2014 19:11
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Captain Cool posted:might be mixing it up with this bit about pirate's case That's exactly what I was doing. There's too much illegal stuff going on with bitcoin, i can't be expected to keep track of it all.
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Dec 12, 2014 19:12
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so with bfl it's a case of a some true believer fremen-on-the-lam going no, gently caress you dad to the court/ftc/receiver? brilliant
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Dec 12, 2014 19:23
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:Who the hell did they hire as counsel, jesus BFL has a very big and well thought of firm representing them. Presumably smart people following scammy idiots' orders just results in literate scammy idiocy being presented to the court?
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Dec 12, 2014 19:31
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what I don't think I'll ever understand about all these scammers in general but BFL in particular, if all the top execs/presumable fall guys were doing all their meetings on irc or whatever, once you had a decent nut why wouldn't you just move to a non-extradition country? like not even permanently, but just so that if you don't get away with it, you have much less of a chance at winding up in jail. like they were spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on houses and poo poo. why not buy a little place in Venezuela or something.
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Dec 12, 2014 20:55
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indigi posted:what I don't think I'll ever understand about all these scammers in general but BFL in particular, if all the top execs/presumable fall guys were doing all their meetings on irc or whatever, once you had a decent nut why wouldn't you just move to a non-extradition country? like not even permanently, but just so that if you don't get away with it, you have much less of a chance at winding up in jail. because bitcoin is new and dusruptive, the old laws don't apply
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Dec 12, 2014 20:57
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indigi posted:what I don't think I'll ever understand about all these scammers in general but BFL in particular, if all the top execs/presumable fall guys were doing all their meetings on irc or whatever, once you had a decent nut why wouldn't you just move to a non-extradition country? like not even permanently, but just so that if you don't get away with it, you have much less of a chance at winding up in jail. People like that have something wrong in their heads. They don't think like a normal responsible adult does. They think they can just bullshit their way out of it. Or they are doing nothing wrong. Or they have the same sense of right and wrong as a toddler, it's not wrong if I got away with it. Then when the inevitable happens and the authorities get involved they keep trying the same crap despite the outcome being blindly obvious to everyone but themselves.
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Dec 12, 2014 21:45
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was it roger ver that was convicted for sending explosives through the us mail and literally does not understand why that is a crime?
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Dec 12, 2014 21:48
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hobbesmaster posted:was it roger ver that was convicted for sending explosives through the us mail and literally does not understand why that is a crime? also, <1 year later The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) is announcing today that Max 2000 Inc., of Stanton, Mo., and company officials Thomas and Mary Scaman, have agreed to stop manufacturing and selling an illegal agricultural firecracker that was widely available to consumers. Max 2000 made and sold over one million "Pest Control Report 2000" (PCR 2000) firecrackers that each contained nearly 1,000 milligrams of explosive powder, which is far in excess of the legal limit for consumer firecrackers. These firecrackers, if used by consumers, could cause serious injuries or death. so he illegally sold and illegally shipped explosives that apparently were themselves illegal
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Dec 12, 2014 21:52
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Aleksei Vasiliev posted:According to the information and plea agreement, Mr. Ver sold explosive devices described as “Pest Control Report 2000” on the online auction site eBay. He purchased approximately 49 pounds of the devices from a supplier in South Carolina, and sold at least 14 pounds of the devices to bidders on eBay. While engaging in the business of selling explosive devices, Mr. Ver stored the explosives in a residential apartment building and mailed the devices via the United States Mail in a manner contrary to Postal Service regulations. Judge Fogel sentenced the Defendant to 10 months in federal prison, a fine of $2,000, as well as a three-year period of supervised release. In reality, I ran for California state assembly in 2000 as a Libertarian / Voluntarist. I said enough to upset the feds so much that I became the only person in the USA to be prosecuted for selling a legal product that was also being sold by hundreds of other companies across the USA including http://www.cabelas.com/ http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercrime/press-releases/2002/verPlea.htm There is no freedom of speech. This is why the world needs Bitcoin, and this is why I support bitcoinfoundation.org (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113400.msg1225950#msg1225950)
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Dec 12, 2014 21:54
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hobbesmaster posted:was it roger ver that was convicted for sending explosives through the us mail and literally does not understand why that is a crime? that may or may not be a prerequisite to being named a bitcoin jesus also victimless crime 
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Dec 12, 2014 21:56
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look he never volunteered to be subject to any laws against mailing explosives, ok
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Dec 12, 2014 21:57
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hobbesmaster posted:was it roger ver that was convicted for sending explosives through the us mail and literally does not understand why that is a crime? these people literally think the law is a genie who can be tricked into defeating himself if you describe things using the right magic words.
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Dec 12, 2014 22:09
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Aleksei Vasiliev posted:
dont forget endangered the lives of everyone living in the apartment building he housed them in by storing them improperly
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Dec 12, 2014 22:09
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if i haven't heard it's illegal, how can i be breaking the law? if i'm ignorant of the law, i never agreed to the contract to obey it.
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Dec 12, 2014 22:11
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minivanmegafun posted:dont forget endangered the lives of everyone living in the apartment building he housed them in by storing them improperly those people are guilty of not doing their research properly on the other people living there and not covertly inspecting each and everyone of their neighbours apartments for dangers while the owner sleeps, and he cannot therefore be held liable for their lazyness
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Dec 12, 2014 22:13
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Sweevo posted:these people literally think the law is a genie who can be tricked into defeating himself if you describe things using the right magic words. look, if you can mess up a website with php/sql/javascript injection, surely there's a way to reprogram a judge with a well-formed legal argument like, "THIS ENTITY IS NAMED ONE SINGLE QUOTE SEMICOLON INSERT INTO law VALUES("LEGALIZE WEED")"
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TVarmy posted:look, if you can mess up a website with php/sql/javascript injection, surely there's a way to reprogram a judge with a well-formed legal argument like, "THIS ENTITY IS NAMED ONE SINGLE QUOTE SEMICOLON INSERT INTO law VALUES("LEGALIZE WEED")" you see law is like a schema, what we need is a schema less society
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infernal machines posted:so with bfl it's a case of a some true believer fremen-on-the-lam going no, gently caress you dad to the court/ftc/receiver? bfl won http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.201.0.pdf court denied preliminary injunction, will wind down the temporary recievership, and while bfl has to file weekly status reports and the FTCs lawsuit can go forward, the status reports won't be public and nothing will happen in the lawsuit until the FTC wins (if it wins)
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Dec 12, 2014 23:12
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how you cock up a slam-dunk like this 
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Dec 12, 2014 23:12
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that is not the result i was expecting, what's the reason given?
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theflyingorc posted:that is not the result i was expecting, what's the reason given? Excelzior posted:hahaha BFL got off on a technicality (we're not committing massive fraud anymore, you can't get an injuction against us!)
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Dec 12, 2014 23:35
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theflyingorc posted:that is not the result i was expecting, what's the reason given? basically the ftc didn't show it would win, and that even if they had the ftc's primary case was that bfl lied about delivery dates but since they're not taking preorders anymore theres no need for a reciever and an injunction just to protect customers the ftc hosed up bad, they didn't do a good job explaining that bfl was actively lying, not just thinking it could meet deadlines, and they never remembered to tell the court that 'third party profitability calculator' was owned by bfl and pre-set to be deceptive  also they should have been stressing the history of bfl's execs using the company as a piggybank and looting assets that should go to customers and they seem to have utterly fallen down on that point because that's a solid reason for an injunction
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dont worry guys, now we get to see a smug josh/inaba calling everybody on the bitcointalk thread a cocksuckerInaba posted:
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Dec 12, 2014 23:40
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quote:this is the first time the FTC has ever lost an injunction. what WHAT
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Dec 12, 2014 23:42
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Magrov posted:dont worry guys, now we get to see a smug josh/inaba calling everybody on the bitcointalk thread a cocksucker 
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Dec 12, 2014 23:42
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bitcoin projects a field of incompetence and the ftc has become trapped within it
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theflyingorc posted:what gently caress
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Papillion Laboratoires wins again 
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