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Mans posted:Is it me or do shotguns suck? I can never kill anyone with a single shot and i'm almost always dead by the time the second shot is ready. I tried the shotgun in co-op and wasn't impressed. It's powerful, but not a guaranteed kill. Also, the slow ROF makes it hard to take on multiple targets. I'm not that good though, making better use of cover would help. This guy sums it up well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqV4F0XHz6A
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Even though this game has some great weapons, I still operated on the mindset that it has a modern video game shotgun where the pellets straight up disappear after a certain distance so I always rolled slugs. I never had any issues dropping people with the shotgun as the enemies I shoot with slugs would disappear in a red mist cloud when I hit them in the upper body. I really liked the m590 but I heard that the developers gave it a new iron sight which I found unnecessary because I liked having a wide peripheral view to spot new targets and an easy iron sight to read when I shoot.
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Nov 30, 2014 23:32
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The shotguns don't really feel like they have much of a niche with the carbines available.
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Nov 30, 2014 23:52
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The shotgun with slugs was amazing before the update that added the grenade launchers, it is piss now.
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Nov 30, 2014 23:55
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Slugs were a beast way back in the beta days, they would punch through armor pretty easily. Ever since then if I go shotgun, I hardly bother with slugs. Your damage is going to come from hitting the unarmored parts of the enemy. So either aim high or low and you'll usually tear through guys at close to medium range. The shotguns operate realistically, meaning they're effective with buckshot out to something like 30-40 meters. Slugs are better at range, but rifles are better at that role. I often roll shotgun for the classes that use it, you just have to use it a bit differently.
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quote:Update 12/12 Changelist
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Dec 13, 2014 00:10
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Hey guys I just bought and got my server set up and running. A group of over 10 of us play nightly and decided it was a good idea. Stop on by, add it to favorites, do what you do. puddruckers competitive PvP 72.5.102.226:27015
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Dec 13, 2014 21:23
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all apologies posted:Hey guys I just bought and got my server set up and running. A group of over 10 of us play nightly and decided it was a good idea. Stop on by, add it to favorites, do what you do. Add a stat tracker and I'm down. ed Dammit, more night maps. Like some of the map changes lately, though. Anyone have a good comparison of all the weapons? Zuhzuhzombie!! fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Dec 15, 2014 |
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Dec 15, 2014 16:08
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:Add a stat tracker and I'm down. http://insurgency.wikia.com/wiki/Damage_Multiplier There's a breakdown of the damage multipliers, but there's nothing like symthic for comparison
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Dec 15, 2014 16:35
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Robot Randy posted:http://insurgency.wikia.com/wiki/Damage_Multiplier This is still pretty good to know. For example: don't bother going for headshots with most guns, just aim for the torso, because the multiplier is identical.
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Dec 15, 2014 16:50
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Here's a much more comprehensive page, which was linked on the wiki article http://jballou.com/insurgency/stats.php
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Dec 15, 2014 16:50
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Re: Shotgun chat I shoot men, they fall down. Doesn't really seem to matter whether I'm using slugs or shot.
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Dec 15, 2014 19:25
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Mans posted:Is it me or do shotguns suck? I can never kill anyone with a single shot and i'm almost always dead by the time the second shot is ready. The shotgun sucks if you load slugs into the thing since they do less damage and are way less likely to hit. Using standard buckshot I get 1 shot kills all the time and it's accurate out to way further out then most video game shotguns are. (like 100m or so, I've gotten kills from the bottom of that ramp up Sinjar) It's actually one of my top 3 shotguns in videogames and I love the thing. Don't load slugs though, it turns it into a single shot rifle with the gimmick of having terrible sights and sucking rear end. EDIT: It's particularly good for holding A in that office map that I can't recall the name of at the moment, the one with the huge annoying lobby. Babby Formed fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Dec 15, 2014 |
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Dec 15, 2014 19:32
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There's really no reason to use shotguns when the other guns in the game exist. The assault rifles usually kill in one shot and they can shoot 29 more times immediately after if they don't. Shotguns are fun, though. They're probably the most non-videogamey in any comparable FPS.
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The shotgun is super light so if you're planning on spawning in armorless for the runspeed it's my favorite out of the low weight options. It's even light enough to work ok for speed on light armor. It's only real competition are the semi auto rifles and at that point you're basically using a (better) slug shotgun anyway. If you're using shot it's at least debatable. Unless you actually like the smgs I guess. EDIT: It's also by far the most viable weapon if you're not rocking a chest rig/carrier IMO, which is a big reason it's the low weight choice. Babby Formed fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Dec 15, 2014 |
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Dec 15, 2014 20:46
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The MP5 is absolutely ridiculous at pretty much any range where you don't need a 4X to see the people you're shooting at.
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Lemon Curdistan posted:The MP5 is absolutely ridiculous at pretty much any range where you don't need a 4X to see the people you're shooting at. My debate right now is whether it's better to use AP and shoot it through walls, or use HE rounds and count on lots of limb shots due to the high ROF. Technically the HE rounds do more damage to limbs than either of the other two rounds, so it's supposed to be preferrable for the LMB and other "spray" weapons, but I haven't messed around enough with it to see that play out. On a completely different topic, does anyone have tips on how to tackle the first section of Coop Sinjar, other than "don't get shot"? It's only become tougher than ever with the new bots and a flood of new players.
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Stick left and try to maintain some kind of hard cover to your right when moving. Have someone on the team dedicated to covering the right flank if possible. As you approach the second objective (the bridge) front cover takes precedence, but remain far left if you can manage it. Other than that, use vehicles in the road to lean around and be cautious as you approach the buildings under the bridge.
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I would pick AP because it is still a kill shot to the limbs and shooting through walls can make a difference even if it you don't hit anybody it will make the guy behind the wall think twice about advancing. The fact that SMGs don't drop people in one shot with AP might be the reason why I didn't take a liking to them or had a compulsion to bring a pistol unless I am a MG gunner/marksman. I haven't played COOP Sinjar but I assume the first section is going up the ramp and into the buildings. Even In PVP, it's still a crapshoot so use a ton of smoke to conceal your advance into the buildings or pick off the people on the hill and soften the building up with explosives would be my best guess on how to approach the situation.
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Supposedly AP does next to nothing on the MP5K, but I still take it. I generally take AP on all weapons in PvP, because it's more reliable and more versatile than HP. The idea that you tend to hit people in the extremities more often when they're in the ADS pose compared to when they're running or neutral is probably true, but I think you still mostly just zap people in the chest in this game. Theoretically it makes sense that AP would overpenetrate with the rifles/carbines and give you some frustrating non-kill shots but it just hasn't been how my experience has played out.
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all apologies posted:Hey guys I just bought and got my server set up and running. A group of over 10 of us play nightly and decided it was a good idea. Stop on by, add it to favorites, do what you do. Server Unresponsive
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An Enormous Boner posted:Supposedly AP does next to nothing on the MP5K, but I still take it. AP is basically the meta, there's no reason not to take it ever. Lemon Curdistan posted:The MP5 is absolutely ridiculous at pretty much any range where you don't need a 4X to see the people you're shooting at. Too bad they won't change it to be an MP5A4.
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Dvsilverwing posted:AP is basically the meta, there's no reason not to take it ever. Counterpoint: foregrips on automatic rifles. Some of the higher powered rounds already perform well against armor and standard rounds that land on target are better than AP that misses. AP is a solid addition but I don't always prioritize it.
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According to http://jballou.com/insurgency/stats.php#ammo AP rounds just flat out do three times as much damage to people as non-AP rounds, which seems really weird.
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Lemon Curdistan posted:According to http://jballou.com/insurgency/stats.php#ammo AP rounds just flat out do three times as much damage to people as non-AP rounds, which seems really weird. Actually if you look at that, AP only does increased damage to the torso. But oddly, HP does increased damage to the limbs, but actually does decreased damage to unarmored torsos. That's an odd fudge with the armor system. EDIT: Although it looks like the decreased HP torso damage is still enough to kill in one shot assuming a player has 100HP. So gameplay wise it doesn't matter much. LogisticEarth fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Dec 16, 2014 |
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LogisticEarth posted:Counterpoint: foregrips on automatic rifles. Some of the higher powered rounds already perform well against armor and standard rounds that land on target are better than AP that misses. AP is a solid addition but I don't always prioritize it. Foregrips and heavy barrels are also good for general hip fire, which can be pretty useful in some situations. I think they are another example of useful attachments for breaching rooms.
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Another update went up tonight.quote:Today we are releasing a small hotfix to address a few issues that became apparent since our previous update. We have addressed an audio cache related issue that led to frequent ‘stuttering’ for some players. If you experienced the stuttering issues, let us know whether this fixed them. We have also made some tweaks to AI behaviors in Coop modes that should improve the experience overall. Please continue to post your feedback as we continue to improve upon the bots. Full changelist below: Glad to see they've made the co-op bots a bit less insane.
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deck posted:Another update went up tonight. They seem to tweak the bot difficulty every other patch, so co-op's always got this Goldilocks thing going on.
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deck posted:Another update went up tonight. Did they fix that bug where if someone yells "OH poo poo RPG" your entire squad dies a second later?
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Mans posted:Did they fix that bug where if someone yells "OH poo poo RPG" your entire squad dies a second later? That's a feature, not a bug.
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Played a few rounds last night for the first time in a while. I like some of the newer features like greater flexibility with your grenade loadout. But they seemed to have tightened up on the weapons available to each class. Demolitions can no longer grab the UMP, which sucks. Also it seems that Insurgents have lost the perk of being able to have a zero-supply AKM for all classes. I always thought that was a good asymmetric counter to Security's free armor. Was there any discussion as to why they made that change?
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They made it so that the different classes have more individual loadouts - weapon sets are more distinct, attachments and guns cost varied amounts depending on class, etc. I don't know if they ever officially said why, but it was probably to keep everyone from just being a guy with an M16 / AK, which is pretty much what it was for a while.
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LogisticEarth posted:Counterpoint: foregrips on automatic rifles. Some of the higher powered rounds already perform well against armor and standard rounds that land on target are better than AP that misses. AP is a solid addition but I don't always prioritize it. How is that a counterpoint? Just take both. LogisticEarth posted:Played a few rounds last night for the first time in a while. I like some of the newer features like greater flexibility with your grenade loadout. But they seemed to have tightened up on the weapons available to each class. Demolitions can no longer grab the UMP, which sucks. Also it seems that Insurgents have lost the perk of being able to have a zero-supply AKM for all classes. I always thought that was a good asymmetric counter to Security's free armor. Was there any discussion as to why they made that change? They changed it because Security no longer gets free light armor or chest rig, they both cost 1 supply now IIRC.
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That's kind of silly, since there's absolutely nothing wrong with every class having access to the same basic primary in the form of the M16/AKM (also because those guns are both cheap and super good). 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sayfB4yrbdA
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Is there any reason not to use a foregrip aside from points?
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Dvsilverwing posted:How is that a counterpoint? Just take both. Not always possible to afford both depending on the rest of the loadout, as I said, duh. quote:They changed it because Security no longer gets free light armor or chest rig, they both cost 1 supply now IIRC. Ah, yeah, just noticed that. But the AKM is 1 point for the classes that have it too. Not sure why you just can't select it for all classes like before. Stuff like scout where the only other option for 1 supply is the M1A1, which is kind of crap.
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Mans posted:Did they fix that bug where if someone yells "OH poo poo RPG" your entire squad dies a second later? I play a lot of co-op, so that phrase now fills me with dread whenever I hear it. In one very short match, a guy screamed it and the immediate retort was THREE RPG rounds blasting various parts of the spawn point. Instant TPK. Fuckin spawn-camping terrorists...  Have they loosened up on the default points? On stock servers, I was always running around with 0 grenades and no side-arm, just to be able to afford a non-lovely gun and some decent armor.
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It's p fun to pretend you're big boss and run around with a 1911. While loving around on the night maps I found that the flare gun damages players
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