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Sheep-Goats posted:Well it don't work that way for us olds. If I have to actively aim with an analog stick I just don't play the game because I can't handle it. I've never played a Grand Theft Auto on a console for example (even though I understand they have some auto-aim thing as an option) specifically to avoid having to wrangle the R stick. I've played some casual shooters like Serious Sam and if the game has an RPG element or gives me a lot of chances to make stealth shots (System Shock 2, Deus Ex) then I can get through it but anything that requires quick mouse skill while I'm running around and jumping like Quake or whatever and I can pretty much forget it. Wait I don't know how to aim with a controller. I just only play PC games.
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I like Ulysses a lot. I just don't have the world's biggest crush on him like I do Joshua. They're very different characters so comparing them is really apples and oranges.
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If you look through Ropekid's posts in this thread, he discussed the caps in detail. I'll post some of his info from memory. Simply put, money will always exist where an economy exists. Barter is useful in immediately dangerous and hellish situations like the immediate aftermath of the apocalypse, but as soon as an economy starts getting up it falls apart. Barter relies on a coincidence of wants: person A wants to give X to person B so he can get Y....but person B doesn't give a poo poo about X. Maybe he has too much, or he can produce it himself, or he doesn't need it right now, or Y is too valuable in his own mind to give it up for a paltry X. There's no standardized levels of value that can be agreed upon. This is why civilizations began developing forms of currency as soon as they were advanced enough that economic exchanges couldn't simply be one guy handing over a few items to another guy. Instead of trying to give each other items directly, they created tokens that could be given in exchange for items. Early on these were items that had intrinsic value on their own (like precious metals, spices, or grains), or they were ostensibly worthless items that represented something valuable that it could be exchanged for on request (like grain, gold, or water). It wasn't until relatively late in the existence of money that fiat currency (which has no value and has nothing backing it, so everyone just kinda agrees on its value and says "Right, we'll go with that") came into being thanks to powerful governments making it worthwhile. A medium of exchange has to come into being to allow more than simple interpersonal transactions to exist, and they also have the benefit of allowing the receiver to then exchange them for goods that he wants. Money is a middleman in the game of trading. Bottle caps in Fallout 1 were backed by the water of the Hub merchants, which makes them a worthwhile medium of exchange: anyone can go up to the merchants and hand over their caps in exchange for a set amount of water per cap. Trading water directly for items would be ridiculous, as water is very heavy (1 gallon of water is 8.34 pounds without accounting for the container it's in) and incompressible enough to require bulky containers for even a relatively small amount. It's estimated that a human being doing hard work in the desert requires an average of 19 liters of water per day to avoid dehydration, or about 42 pounds. Meanwhile, 1000 bottle caps would weigh about 5 pounds and fit into a relatively small cardboard box. The NCR dollars in Fallout 2 were backed by gold. However, the Brotherhood of Steel destroyed the gold reserves and attacked the mines; this caused a rush on the banks in the NCR, inflating the money. In New Vegas, NCR dollars are fiat currency. This is why they have so much less value than caps (backed by Hub water) or Legion money (made from precious metals that have intrinsic value). The Hub merchants reintroduced caps after seeing the dollar depreciate, including seizing or destroying cap presses so they could take control of the manufacture. People who need to spend especially large amounts of caps could use scrips, though the vast majority of the Wasteland won't be giving anyone this much money at once in the first place. Bottle caps are ideal as a resource-backed currency, as they're small and light and can't be economically made without access to industrial machinery and trained workers (theoretically you could make caps by hand, but the effort wouldn't be worth the resulting money). I suspect that they're simply fiat currency in Fallout 3, as everyone needed a medium of exchange and found that caps were lying all over the place and easy to trade in large amounts. It only fails to make sense to people who don't really understand why people invented money in the first place. If you want to ask "Why did you spend so much time talking about a video game?", the answer is that I actually enjoy analyzing fictional universes and technology and the creators put more effort into building the backstory to the game world than I spent explaining it, so it's not like I'm wasting my time on something that got blindly thrown together.
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Seashell Salesman posted:Mr. House is the best character. Best DLC character is The Survivalist. Actually, best DLC character is the dude that steals a Vault suit and a broken Pip-Boy and pretends he's actually a Vault Dweller. But the Survivalist is a close second, yeah.
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Excelzior posted:Why do people LOVE Joshua Graham, yet loathe Ulysses Ulysses talks way too much to stay cool.
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Sheep-Goats posted:Ulysses talks way too much to stay cool. I'm still not sure what the plot in lonesome road is beyond Ulysses is legion and wants to nuke NCR. As a legion player i'm not even sure why I'm trying to stop him. I think I'm trying to tell him that he's mistaken, I will gladly nuke NCR? Iretep fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Jan 9, 2015 |
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Excelzior posted:Why do people LOVE Joshua Graham, yet loathe Ulysses My guess is the voice. I could listen to him talk all day.
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Agents are GO! posted:My guess is the voice. I could listen to him talk all day. I know, right? Iretep posted:I'm still not sure what the plot in lonesome road is beyond Ulysses is legion and wants to nuke NCR. As a legion player i'm not even sure why I'm trying to stop him. I think I'm trying to tell him that he's mistaken, I will gladly nuke NCR? I know he's really wordy and pretentious, but it's pretty obvious what his plans, motivations, and goals are when you just listen to his dialogue.
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As revenge for you accidently causing some place he cared about to be destroyed, he is going to deliberately destroy some unrelated third party. Perfectly sensible!
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:I could watch Joshua Graham clean guns for hours. Oddly that's my favorite part about Honest Hearts. It was just a really cool animation. Going off of memory but I remember reading somewhere that having Graham cleaning and assembling guns like that was something they fought for because they wanted you to get hyped up after hearing all these stories about The Burned Man and then when you finally meet him he's just sitting down and doing something mundane. It was extra effective for me because I had read all about his original incarnation in the Van Buren leak but went into Honest Hearts blind so I was expecting the one-dimensional grimdark murder machine the character was originally conceived as.
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Sleeveless posted:Going off of memory but I remember reading somewhere that having Graham cleaning and assembling guns like that was something they fought for because they wanted you to get hyped up after hearing all these stories about The Burned Man and then when you finally meet him he's just sitting down and doing something mundane. Yeah, Ropekid talked about that (I was scouring his posts in this thread because a friend is doing a New Vegas RP on another site and I wanted to get him some more background info). Others tried to push for seeing Graham for the first time as he slaughters a ton of White Legs, but Sawyer pushed to have him be found doing a completely mundane task. I think it works much better because along with adding dimension to the character, it somehow makes his threat to kill you if you betray him or the Dead Horses in the first conversation much more convincing. He doesn't need to posture or scream. He just simply tells you that you won't leave the canyon alive.
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Excelzior posted:Why do people LOVE Joshua Graham, yet loathe Ulysses It's that dumb sleeveless jacket. PUT ON SOMETHING WITH SLEEVES, YOU HACK, YOU'RE LIVING IN A NUCLEAR WASTELAND.
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Theta Zero posted:What would be the currency in 3 if not caps? I recall someone saying that one of the currencies considered for Fallout 1 was credit cards, with different colors denoting various denominations. But really, it could have been anything as long as they'd actually justified it. In Fallout 3 it's just caps because that's what Fallout's about, right guys?
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Generation Internet posted:It's that dumb sleeveless jacket. PUT ON SOMETHING WITH SLEEVES, YOU HACK, YOU'RE LIVING IN A NUCLEAR WASTELAND. No one steals my ED-E. Though I tend to bro up with him at the end and Nuke the Legion and then quietly leave Ulysses behind. Then immediately turn around after the credits and go back in and as he gazes into the Divide, I unload 5.56mm into his head and guess what, you get another Duster. I tend to use the whole Lonesome Road effort as the cause of a dramatic personality change. It usually results in my storming all of the casinos and killing everyone there.
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Sheep-Goats posted:Ulysses talks way too much to stay cool. It really is this. His annoying "batman" voice and propensity for explaining even the simplest points in essay form get tiresome before you even get out of OWB. When you get to Lonesome Road it's downright torturous.
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HappyHelmet posted:It really is this. His annoying "batman" voice and propensity for explaining even the simplest points in essay form get tiresome before you even get out of OWB. When you get to Lonesome Road it's downright torturous. He sure would've been a neat companion like he was planned though. He sounds like he would've been the only companion that actually cared for the Legion, or at least apathetic towards them.
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Iretep posted:I'm still not sure what the plot in lonesome road is beyond Ulysses is legion and wants to nuke NCR. As a legion player i'm not even sure why I'm trying to stop him. I think I'm trying to tell him that he's mistaken, I will gladly nuke NCR? The player character was tangentially involved in destroying Ulysses' adopted home, which was the only thing he'd ever learned to care about or like in his whole life. This taught Ulysses that the universe is not interested in the desires of men and instead of rebelling against this idea Ulysses submits to it (he was halfway there before the disaster anyway). We've actually seen a lot of popular villains or partial villains in this vein to varying degrees in the last 20 years -- Rust Cole in True Detective, Anton Chigurr in No Country for Old Men, Daniel Plainview (DD Lewis) in There Will Be Blood, which comes basically from a renewed interest in nihilism which arguably comes from 9-11. A character with this kind of a world view is a villain to the degree that he goes with the flow and a hero to the degree that he kicks against the pricks. Ulysses wants to serve justice to you by destroying something you're invested in even though he has no real stake in it himself any more (just as you for his town), and he wants to teach you the same hard lesson that he learned. If you have 100 speech craft you can convince him otherwise and save his soul. If you don't you either have to destroy him or allow him to learn you the lesson. If you're a powergaming piece of poo poo like me you convince him to whatever for maximum loot and then nuke everyone to open up both bonus areas and then shoot Mr. House with a cheap round because I'll be goddamned if I'll leave this semi-benevolent super genius in control of the only promising place on the West Coast. Thank god I got those gold bars back in my lovely Novac room that I drug all the way from the Sierra Madre just so I could pile them up next to the cabinet on that little shelf loving thing. Let's not forget to go visit the vending machine in the Sierra Madre hole before the Hoover Dam so I have a stack of 200 stimpacks to hotkey and dickchug my way through the last fight. I think the plot of Lonesome Road is actually very well done and the whole Ulysses thing is way more interesting than the Joshua Graham stuff (though that was good too -- all of the DLCs actually had well written and meaningful plots, except OWB of course but everyone knows OWB was fanservice for the lowest common denominator Fallout fan). That doesn't mean I want to listen to him talk at me through Ed-E while one of his tapes I've found plays in the background, both for in excess of a full minute, when I know that around the corner there's another tape to play and a few more dune digging crystal homos to shoot at. raton fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Jan 9, 2015 |
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My biggest complaint about Ulysses is that the stats on his armor should be switched with Joshua Graham's armor so that I have a reason to play HH.
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Theta Zero posted:He sure would've been a neat companion like he was planned though. He sounds like he would've been the only companion that actually cared for the Legion, or at least apathetic towards them. I really would've liked to see full Ulysses too, but I think Lonesome Road had a good theme to it. Before, you knew all the effects of your character's actions as you progressed. The whole air of mystery because you, in-character AND out of character, have no idea what you've done that hurt him so badly was really interesting. He's been lurking in the background for your entire adventure, always a slight step ahead of you, and now you get to find out why he instigated the entire Courier Six situation that got you shot in the head. And his plans culminated at using the Divide to nuke the faction you're affiliated with, effectively recreating the events of the Divide. The whole BIG MYTH theme of New Vegas's DLC with the two couriers meeting at the Divide, each carrying a message for the other, and causing or preventing another set of nuclear holocausts was a really satisfying conclusion to the DLC story arcs.
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The currency discussion inspired me to look up the various currencies in the series on the wiki. I hadn't actually noticed the designs on the Legion coins before. I find it interesting that this one still has Joshua Graham on it despite everyone being forbidden from even mentioning him. I mean, I guess realistically they can't recall all the coins and melt them down and re-press them with a new design, but you'd think it might spark some discussion as to who the people on the coin are. But what I find more amusing is how the image of the three people, when compared to the hand-drawn images on the rest of the coin sides, is pretty clearly a screen of three in-game models wearing generic in-game clothing, filtered over to look like embossed metal.  Not that I blame them for taking the shortcut, it'd be a waste of resources to draw more than necessary for something so small (I never noticed it until now, for instance). But to me it just looks silly if you stare at it for too long.
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Sheep-Goats posted:I think the plot of Lonesome Road is actually very well done and the whole Ulysses thing is way more interesting than the Joshua Graham stuff (though that was good too -- all of the DLCs actually had well written and meaningful plots, except OWB of course but everyone knows OWB was fanservice for the lowest common denominator Fallout fan). You say this but have you considered the implications of the GIANT ROBO-SCORPION
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Sheep-Goats posted:The player character was tangentially involved in destroying Ulysses' adopted home, which was the only thing he'd ever learned to care about or like in his whole life. This taught Ulysses that the universe is not interested in the desires of men and instead of rebelling against this idea Ulysses submits to it (he was halfway there before the disaster anyway). We've actually seen a lot of popular villains or partial villains in this vein to varying degrees in the last 20 years -- Rust Cole in True Detective, Anton Chigurr in No Country for Old Men, Daniel Plainview (DD Lewis) in There Will Be Blood, which comes basically from a renewed interest in nihilism which arguably comes from 9-11. A character with this kind of a world view is a villain to the degree that he goes with the flow and a hero to the degree that he kicks against the pricks. Ulysses wants to serve justice to you by destroying something you're invested in even though he has no real stake in it himself any more (just as you for his town), and he wants to teach you the same hard lesson that he learned. If you have 100 speech craft you can convince him otherwise and save his soul. If you don't you either have to destroy him or allow him to learn you the lesson. If you're a powergaming piece of poo poo like me you convince him to whatever for maximum loot and then nuke everyone to open up both bonus areas and then shoot Mr. House with a cheap round because I'll be goddamned if I'll leave this semi-benevolent super genius in control of the only promising place on the West Coast. Thank god I got those gold bars back in my lovely Novac room that I drug all the way from the Sierra Madre just so I could pile them up next to the cabinet on that little shelf loving thing. Let's not forget to go visit the vending machine in the Sierra Madre hole before the Hoover Dam so I have a stack of 200 stimpacks to hotkey and dickchug my way through the last fight. You don't need 100 speech to talk him down. Just finding all the audio logs and talking him down with those also works. Also I guess the reason I didn't understand his reasons was because he was trying to pull off revenge on me in a way that I got extra loot. If he had nuked both targets originally I wouldn't have even needed to do anything.
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Malpais Legate posted:I like Ulysses a lot. I just don't have the world's biggest crush on him like I do Joshua.
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Yeah, one returns to the tribe he left, convinced to undo all the wrongs he caused with the Legion. The other becomes vengeful to the point of pointing nukes at the biggest bastions of civilization left. You're supposed to draw parallels between the two, that's kind of the point of Ulysses's arc through the DLCs. I'm pretty sure Graham even acknowledges their similarities when you ask him about the White Legs. But they turn down completely different paths when you meet each.
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Putting these behind spoilers just in case, since there's been a few new players showing up in the thread. Honestly, I liked Lonesome Road a lot, but the bombing thing fell flat on account of a) the Mojave Outpost not being irradiated/evacuated, b) the main players not reacting to it. It should've been a main point of the plot from the outset, but I can understand how something that major slipped through the cracks. Still, the NUKE BOTH SIDES thing really should've warranted calling back in some of the VA's to have some reactions to the whole thing. It just seemed like 'eh okay whatever' in the long run. Like, bombing both sides? End the game right there. The war is over, period. If you didn't bother to go through to the battle for Hoover Dam? Tough titties, it doesn't matter anymore until the dust clears, since both sides should have been seriously kneecapped and/or completely demoralized. I get Ulysses' reason for it, I think it honestly works, I like the overall plotline, and I even could dig his weird rambling. I liked that he provided a look at the Legion that was sobered and based on experience, didn't pull punches when describing Caesar's blatantly manipulative and outright cruel methods of creating the Legion/the petty reasons Caesar's going to all this trouble in the first place, and didn't shy from stating outright that the dude was a lovely misogynist on top of being a tyrannical rear end in a top hat. Seems like a O YEA obvious detail, but it's interesting to hear it from someone who defected from the Legion outright. It actually kind of surprised me to hear it stated so bluntly (though I think he only says it if you're a legion-aligned woman). It just... yeah. The whole thing felt cheapened by the fact that there was no real impact on the main plot, the characters, or the world itself. If it was a face-off between you and him, cool, do it. The nuking thing, though? Yeah, it has an impact, in a small way, but considering the yield those ICBMs could have had by that point (we reached 5 megatons or more for an airdropped payload by the early 1960s), it really shouldn't have been shrugged off so easily. EDIT: words 
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I don't think I've done a single pro-NCR run since TLR came out, but every time he tries to get back at me by blowing up the NCR. That's the thing that bugs me the most about Ulysses. The character makes me feel like my chosen path through the game was totally unexpected by the writers.
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Seashell Salesman posted:I don't think I've done a single pro-NCR run since TLR came out, but every time he tries to get back at me by blowing up the NCR. That's the thing that bugs me the most about Ulysses. The character makes me feel like my chosen path through the game was totally unexpected by the writers. They really shitted up the way he picks his target. If you play anything but Caesar's Legion, you're almost guaranteed to get him targeting the NCR, because working for Yes Man or House provides an overflow of NCR reputation. Iretep posted:In my current run I'm idolised by legion and got a bit of positive with NCR and he still wanted to nuke NCR. I'm pretty sure he just hates NCR. Are you using any Legion-specific armor? That's the only reason I could see why that would happen. It sets your Legion rep to neutral if you ever have their armor disguise on. It's unfortunate the Mojave doesn't acknowledge the Long 15 or Dry Wells, which would have been a nice touch. But meh, what're you gonna do? DLC and time constraints.
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Fuzz1138 posted:The currency discussion inspired me to look up the various currencies in the series on the wiki. I hadn't actually noticed the designs on the Legion coins before. Ulysses? Nah. Lanius? Double nah. I'm missing something here.
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Edward Sallow, Bill Calhoun, Joshua Graham. AKA Caesar, Bill Calhoun, and the Burned Man. The three that started the Legion with the Blackfoots.
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:"Magnum Chasma" Doesn't that very loosely translate to 'Big Empty'? I get why it's there, but it does seem out of character for the Legion to put on their coins.
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It's latin for "Grand Canyon".
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Got a question for you guys regarding Boone and working for the Legion. I don't plan on doing any Legion quests, but I got an "Accepted" reputation with them. I spoke to Boone and he gave me his ultimatum that if I work with the Legion again he's leaving. If I leave Boone at the Lucky 38, get a high enough reputation with the Legion to get into their safehouse (via giving dogtags to Aurelius), and then immediately start killing them again and lowering my reputation to villified, will Boone still leave because I got a better reputation with them?
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Arcsquad12 posted:Got a question for you guys regarding Boone and working for the Legion. I don't plan on doing any Legion quests, but I got an "Accepted" reputation with them. I spoke to Boone and he gave me his ultimatum that if I work with the Legion again he's leaving. If I leave Boone at the Lucky 38, get a high enough reputation with the Legion to get into their safehouse (via giving dogtags to Aurelius), and then immediately start killing them again and lowering my reputation to villified, will Boone still leave because I got a better reputation with them? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure it only checks your reputation while he's in your party or when "(re)hiring" him. Keeshhound fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Jan 11, 2015 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:Got a question for you guys regarding Boone and working for the Legion. I don't plan on doing any Legion quests, but I got an "Accepted" reputation with them. I spoke to Boone and he gave me his ultimatum that if I work with the Legion again he's leaving. If I leave Boone at the Lucky 38, get a high enough reputation with the Legion to get into their safehouse (via giving dogtags to Aurelius), and then immediately start killing them again and lowering my reputation to villified, will Boone still leave because I got a better reputation with them? Don't talk to Boone again until you've got a higher NCR rep than with the Legion, or you've dipped to a lovely reputation with the Legion.
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Okay, I got into the safehouse and grabbed the Lucky Shades. Now its bad to my one man vendetta against the Legion.
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