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I think playing blackjack optimally is profitable even at five luck overall but I'm not sure.
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Jan 22, 2015 22:28
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xthetenth posted:I think playing blackjack optimally is profitable even at five luck overall but I'm not sure. Not quite. At five luck, the casino still actively cheats against you. The House has the advantage, etc. It's at 7 when the odds become even, and from there on out the game will cheat in your favor. There's no reason why you can't just get legitimately lucky at 5, but it's definitely slanted against you.
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Jan 22, 2015 22:46
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Malpais Legate posted:Not quite. At five luck, the casino still actively cheats against you. The House has the advantage, etc. It's at 7 when the odds become even, and from there on out the game will cheat in your favor. Fair enough, I'm half assuming savescumming tbh.
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Jan 22, 2015 22:49
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getting 10k chips from blackjack with 5 luck at the sierra madre was literally the least fun I ever had in a video game.
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Jan 22, 2015 22:54
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How worthwhile is it to play caravan with high luck? I've actually never bothered trying to build a deck or play it. Possibly another way to make fat stacks with high luck?
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Jan 22, 2015 22:56
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Luck isn't a factor in Caravan and players with significant amounts of money (read: effectively merchants) will also only play five times with you in any given playthrough. Except Dale Barton, but he deals with the Legion.
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Jan 22, 2015 23:06
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Man Whore posted:getting 10k chips from blackjack with 5 luck at the sierra madre was literally the least fun I ever had in a video game. It not being fun was pretty much my rationale for not bothering. The highlight was being dealt a 20 and then the computer getting 21 after two extra cards, which might be more common than I imagine but I was still like oh for the love of crumb cake. I had to savescum to get anywhere really, so there was also quite a bit of standing around to wait for the "checking the deck/wheel for cheating" timer (which is fair enough, I'm not complaining about that). I do like how the timer keeps ticking down even while you look through your inventory though, that's neat.
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Jan 22, 2015 23:06
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Malpais Legate posted:Not quite. At five luck, the casino still actively cheats against you. The House has the advantage, etc. It's at 7 when the odds become even, and from there on out the game will cheat in your favor. Bear in mind, blackjack takes some knowledge. I've played blackjack IRL, and if you don't know the 'basic game' well, the casino will facerape you. Of course, this doesn't apply at 10 luck. "16 against a dealer 10? Why yes, I will double down!"
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Jan 22, 2015 23:24
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Can you make money faster by doing stuff like splitting than just max betting one hand at a time? I've always wondered what the actual fastest way to clean the casinos out was.
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Jan 22, 2015 23:28
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This is my second play-trough, the previous one was two years ago. So I'm standing outside the Van Graffs' shop being a good security guard, a suicide patron is whacked by the other doorman and he asks me to get rid of the corpse since it's bad for business having him lying here near the doorstep. So I start moving him, but apparently I went out of bounds as he interpreted my actions as trying to get away with stealing the stuff they loaned me. He opens fire on me, calls for backup but ED-E, Boone and myself take them all out. I go inside Van Graffs since I know they're going to open fire immediately, and kill everyone inside. I did not intend to kill off Gloria Van Graff and everyone else but it kind of just happened. Curious about how this effects the game, I've just settled down at Lucky 38, Benny escaped I'm at level 9. I'm not going to reload, I like to just see what happens. I have 7500 caps. I think I'm going to hit the tables. F4rt5 fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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Jan 22, 2015 23:38
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JazzmasterCurious posted:This is my second play-trough, the previous one was two years ago. So I'm standing outside the Van Graffs' shop being a good security guard, a suicide patron is whacked by the other doorman and he asks me to get rid of the corpse since it's bad for business having him lying here near the doorstep. So I start moving him, but apparently I went out of bounds as he interpreted my actions as trying to get away with stealing the stuff they loaned me. He opens fire on me, calls for backup but ED-E, Boone and myself take them all out. I go inside Van Graffs since I know they're going to open fire immediately, and kill everyone inside. Basically not at all. They are in a few short quests later on depending on who you side with, but nothing that you'd miss much. Any unique energy weapons you didn't get from them beforehand will now be available from Gun Runners.
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Jan 23, 2015 00:46
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Gynovore posted:Bear in mind, blackjack takes some knowledge. I've played blackjack IRL, and if you don't know the 'basic game' well, the casino will facerape you. At 10 Luck, always hit. Always. There's never a reason not to. You might lose. But at 10 luck, you're (eventually) going to rob the house blind. Seashell Salesman posted:Can you make money faster by doing stuff like splitting than just max betting one hand at a time? I've always wondered what the actual fastest way to clean the casinos out was. Probably not. It's mostly how fast you can hit that dictates the speed at which you clean up, and that just adds more turns that otherwise just prolong it. Slots are obviously the best for the method, and the roulette is the worst. However, I've got a soft spot for the roulette.
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Jan 23, 2015 00:49
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I've tried slots before and it just seems to take too long to hit the jackpot and it feels like I'm not making progress. At least with blackjack I can see that I'm steadily approaching the max winnings.
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Jan 23, 2015 00:51
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I get a kick out of going negative on the slots, then getting a 300 times payout or something and literally getting thrown out of the casino as a result of a single spin.
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Jan 23, 2015 00:54
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Malpais Legate posted:At 10 Luck, always hit. Always. There's never a reason not to. You might lose. But at 10 luck, you're (eventually) going to rob the house blind. Seriously, sometimes I'll run 10 Luck, then just double down on every hand. 9 times out of 10, if you double down on a 20, they'll give you the ace. It's the greatest. The first time I played the game though, I actually sat down for a while with a reference of what the best moves were based on your hand and the dealer's. I almost started to memorize some of it. I'm tempted to "study" again and see how well it works out in (real) Vegas, but somehow I imagine it wouldn't be wise to play more than a hand or two.
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Jan 23, 2015 04:10
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I mostly meant just consistently spam the hit button, because it started the next hand even if you lose. You can just cheese blackjack the same way as slots, to nearly the same efficiency. But in relation to real Vegas and real gambling, I don't think it'd matter. Everyone knows there's a level of strategy to Blackjack, but it's still about being lucky. That's not cardcounting, but I imagine if you're at the table and consistently stopping to try to memorize the situation as described in your book, people will get pissed.
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Jan 23, 2015 04:17
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Fuzz1138 posted:I'm tempted to "study" again and see how well it works out in (real) Vegas 
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Jan 23, 2015 04:20
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Fuzz1138 posted:I think you mean "double down." If it worked in the real Vegas, the casinos would either be completely broke or have to keep kicking people out. Real dealers are far, far more adept than the vast majority of wannabe card sharks and anything you looked up in a book or online has already been found by them. If you were running a business that's essentially based on scamming people into giving you money, wouldn't you want to keep up to date on all the ways your customers will try to manipulate stuff to win?
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Jan 23, 2015 04:21
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Personally I just played nothing but blackjack because, well, I actually like playing blackjack. Blackjack is also the easiest to break with 10 luck. You get dealt loads of 11s; double down, get a 10, +400 chips. It's nice having 40,000 caps 10 hours in.
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Jan 23, 2015 05:24
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chitoryu12 posted:If it worked in the real Vegas, the casinos would either be completely broke or have to keep kicking people out. Real dealers are far, far more adept than the vast majority of wannabe card sharks and anything you looked up in a book or online has already been found by them. If you were running a business that's essentially based on scamming people into giving you money, wouldn't you want to keep up to date on all the ways your customers will try to manipulate stuff to win? Here's a quick rundown of real-life blackjack. There's no luck or intuition involved; instead, there's a set of strategies called the 'basic game', which tell you whether you should hit, stand, or other stuff like surrender or double down. You need to have this memorized. Always follow the basic game, always. If you don't, you're throwing your money away. If you have the basic game down pat, the casino's take ranges from a few cents to a fraction of a cent per dollar, depending on house rules (for example, whether you can double down on a split). Moving past that, there's card counting. Forget about Rain Man, you don't have to be an autistic savant. You simply keep track of the number of high and low cards, and increase your bet when the deck is 'hot'. If your basic game and card counting are perfect, you can get a edge over the casino of a few percentage points. The gods of luck will still assfuck you now and then, but generally you'll win. Now, if you count cards and bet a decent amount of money, the casino will find out sooner or later. You won't be taken to a back room and beat up, but you will be banned from playing blackjack there permanently. However, no one gives the slightest poo poo about what goes on at the $10 table. In summary; learn the basic game, practice, then learn how to count cards. Sit down at the $10 table with a $100 stake and walk away when you hit $250 or so. Don't make a fuss or gamble flashily, and don't do it more than once a month.
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Jan 23, 2015 05:39
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razorrozar posted:Blackjack is also the easiest to break with 10 luck. You get dealt loads of 11s; double down, get a 10, +400 chips. It's very easy to get the Naughty Nightwear to get an extra luck, and then stick to slots once you've almost broken the casino with blackjack so you can go way over the limit with a jackpot before they ban you. I do this for every run through.
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Jan 23, 2015 06:36
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chitoryu12 posted:If it worked in the real Vegas, the casinos would either be completely broke or have to keep kicking people out. Real dealers are far, far more adept than the vast majority of wannabe card sharks and anything you looked up in a book or online has already been found by them. If you were running a business that's essentially based on scamming people into giving you money, wouldn't you want to keep up to date on all the ways your customers will try to manipulate stuff to win? I didn't mean that there's a surefire way to "beat the system" or that it would even give you a majority chance of winning. I suppose by admitting that my source is wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackjack#Basic_strategy) I'll be making myself look more foolish than if I had cited some card-counting book, but apparently the theory is that there is an ideal bet/fold/forfeit strategy for each hand that will "minimize" your losses, i.e. you get maybe a 49% chance of winning at best. It's better than going in betting all willy-nilly, but probably not by much. It's fun to think that I could, in a sense, maximize my odds, but you are certainly correct in that the house will always have the advantage, and I'm not deluding myself in that regard. In reality: Fake edit: what Gynovore said. Actual edit: I tried to use a fancy word and it was not the proper context. Fuzz1138 fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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Jan 23, 2015 07:19
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37 gold bars and 100000 caps worth of Pre-War money. gently caress letting go, Dead Money, I took the whole goddamn casino with me. And that's before I made 20000 caps selling Automatic rifles and police pistols and all the other junk I picked up along the way.
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Jan 23, 2015 07:20
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Theta Zero posted:It's very easy to get the Naughty Nightwear to get an extra luck, and then stick to slots once you've almost broken the casino with blackjack so you can go way over the limit with a jackpot before they ban you. I do this for every run through. I've never done the slots, but I read that they nerfed them a long time ago, didn't they? Isn't more profitable to almost break and then bet everything on a single number in roulette until you win? e: Looking it up, I guess it's roughly the same if the max bet is still 75 caps on a x100 win, although you risk breaking the casino but only barely if you get a lower payout, whereas roulette will always give you that 35x200 payout (eventually) by just betting a single number. I always just break the banks through blackjack since I can do that consistently and it's not like I need the extra caps once I've broken all the casinos anyway.
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Jan 23, 2015 07:26
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Fuzz1138 posted:I didn't mean that there's a surefire way to "beat the system" or that it would even give you a majority chance of winning. that page and a "bit" of save scumming are what allowed me to break the sierra madre.
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Jan 23, 2015 08:52
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I just went to Jacobstown to pick up Lily. drat I forgot how much I liked the mountain regions. I wish there was more stuff to do on the outskirts of the Rockies in this game. Nuclear Winter indeed. Also, funny story. I was looking for James Garret in the Atomic Wrangler, and he was upstairs. Being an idiot who forgot that the Garrets respond to any infraction by siccing their guards on you, I lockpicked my way in and then promptly realized my mistake. Not wanting to kill anyone in the place, I hightailed it for the door while guns are blasting all around me. I get outside and Rex isn't with me anymore. Turns out he ripped out two of the guard's throats before I managed to fast travel away and come back. Garrets didn't seem to care. Business as usual when a heavily armed anarchist with a cyberdog comes to gamble. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Jan 24, 2015 |
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Jan 24, 2015 07:27
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So should I do the main quest til I get to New Vegas at least or should I just explore whatever is around me whenever I want? I say this because I made the mistake of pretty much telling my dad to gently caress off in Fallout 3 and basically explored the whole wasteland before doing the main quest. However, I felt that things got a lot more interesting once the Enclave were involved, yet their appearance is tied to the storyline. Also, Fawkes is my man-bro.
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Jan 24, 2015 08:26
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blackguy32 posted:So should I do the main quest til I get to New Vegas at least or should I just explore whatever is around me whenever I want? I think really the only changes here will come from you pissing off factions or ingratiating yourself to them, and that can happen from both storyline and non-storyline quests. Also, most of the quests in the game will somehow affect your relationship with some group.
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Jan 24, 2015 08:59
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Seashell Salesman posted:I think really the only changes here will come from you pissing off factions or ingratiating yourself to them, and that can happen from both storyline and non-storyline quests. Also, most of the quests in the game will somehow affect your relationship with some group. Yeah, I think I pissed off the Legion, cause gently caress the legion.
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Jan 24, 2015 09:04
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Your standing with the Big Three gets wiped no matter what early on. Caesar, the NCR, and House all give you a pass at the proverbial fork in the road during the main quest. So feel free to poo poo on those ones at the very least.
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Jan 24, 2015 09:08
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Im still not understanding how it works. I am currently vilified with the Legion, but I am allowed to roam around Cottonwood Cove without them attacking. I have had assassins sent after me, but sometimes I will see random Legionaires in the wasteland and they don't give a poo poo.
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Jan 24, 2015 09:11
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How far into the main quest have you gone? If you've confronted Benny and Caesar has extended his invitation, Cottonwood Grove won't harm you.
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Jan 24, 2015 09:26
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You get a big warning when you hit a certain point in the main story that days "If you keep working with X, Y won't like you" so don't worry about it too much. And even if you piss off everyone, Yesman ending is always open to you.
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Jan 24, 2015 14:32
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I don't know why this never occurred to me before, but if you stealth 1-shot Vulpes and his entourage at Nipton then you don't lose any Legion rep and no assassins for you!
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Jan 24, 2015 17:51
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What I really want to do in Nipton is kill everyone but Vulpes, and thend send him crawling back to Caesar to tell him about the lesson that his legion was taught there.
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Jan 24, 2015 18:21
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Seashell Salesman posted:I don't know why this never occurred to me before, but if you stealth 1-shot Vulpes and his entourage at Nipton then you don't lose any Legion rep and no assassins for you! The tricky part is doing it with the Paciencia (which is NOT silenced) for Against All Tyrants 
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Jan 24, 2015 18:34
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OTOH it seems like the many robots and animals of OWB cannot and will not be fooled by stealth. It's great to take down the lobotomites and trauma harnesses, oh well.
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Jan 25, 2015 01:54
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blackguy32 posted:So should I do the main quest til I get to New Vegas at least or should I just explore whatever is around me whenever I want? It'd probably be best to follow the main quest til that point but do all the side quests you want along the way in the towns and poo poo you encounter. Or at the very least do the poo poo in Nipton so you have a small base of operations to use, obviously there's a better one to be had in New Vegas proper, but depending on several factor in how you're playing it might be a while until you get to it. As some of have said there's basically no wrong answer, you can literally kill everyone that can be killed, which I think is all but 2 or 3 people maybe, and still finish the game. Trying to explore and do everything in this probably takes longer than Fallout 3, at least it seems that way considering how there's continuously people coming in the thread and declaring that they found something new (usually it's the sewers) after having played the game for like 200 hours already.
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Jan 26, 2015 15:58
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Hannibal Rex posted:What I really want to do in Nipton is kill everyone but Vulpes, and thend send him crawling back to Caesar to tell him about the lesson that his legion was taught there. you can do this with the .22 stealth pistol. Do a sneak attack headshot on the last person/dog in the column, move on to the next person in the row. You have to be careful that nobody sees you, including shortly after fireing you need to remain in stealth mode to avoid aggro-ing them, but I've done this before.
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First playthrough, running master and hardcore mode. I'm happy to report that gamebryo is still an awful engine and that enemy AI can be turned on its head So far, the single greatest event has been the ending to vault 11. level 10, surrounded by 12 murderous robots that can all one shot me (I've never been so terrified of protectrons before). I spent the next 15 minutes abusing a stealthboy to cause the turrets to all turn against each other, then the bots, the protectrons, the robobrain and finally with the sentrybot remaining, an emp and plasma grenade to finish the job. Sure I lost out on a ton of XP, but I don't think I've ever walked away so satisfied from a quest so far. I didn't realize that I was severely under par for the vault until I came across the sentrybots spawned in repconn which took several seconds of uninterrupted fire to kill me. I remember being terrified of robobrains in 3, yet new vegas brains seem disappointingly fragile, and substantially weaker. They still one-shot me but so can everything else in this run. double nine posted:you can do this with the .22 stealth pistol. Do a sneak attack headshot on the last person/dog in the column, move on to the next person in the row. You have to be careful that nobody sees you, including shortly after fireing you need to remain in stealth mode to avoid aggro-ing them, but I've done this before. Did this, though I killed everyone and when I went to save the prisoners they had lined up and waiting for some cut scene, the guys just magically died over in gratitude to being saved. Edit: I did this and I've looked up what he's supposed to do, but there doesn't seem to be a flag set for "Killed before meeting the player" all of his interactions are based on the conversation in Nipton having occurred, which never did for me. So I have no idea what's going to happen going forward. PseudoFaux fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Jan 26, 2015 |
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