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Lostconfused posted:Yes, that's why Setsuko's route in SRW Z is such a giant pain in the rear end. You have to deal with 3 boss characters with VPS Armor and only have a limited number of attacks that do beam damage. Hell, poo poo like the flying armor crash for Kamille's MKII doesn't count as a beam attack which makes things even more annoying. It's not so bad once you start getting some supers that can punch through the armor.
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Caphi posted:I'm pretty sure it's possible to put a Beam Coat on the Destiny, but did any boss in Z ever try that? I believe it is in SRWJ where Yzak equips a Beam Coat on Duel Gundam actually.
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Z was also I think the first game where Prevail became a incredibly skill again instead of just a decent bonus. Prevail 9 was probably by far the best skill you can give to anyone that can survive a big hit.
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Tae posted:Z was also I think the first game where Prevail became a incredibly skill again instead of just a decent bonus. Prevail 9 was probably by far the best skill you can give to anyone that can survive a big hit. The mission where you have to beat up Rand and he just keeps taking less and less damage blew my mind when I played it, I'd never known Prevail was so good!
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So, I was in a bit of a Gunbuster/Diebuster mood in part because Diebuster is showing up in Z3.2. I ended up coming across, amazingly, an English cover of Groovin Magic by someone who can actually sing. Its actually quite good.ImpAtom posted:I believe it is in SRWJ where Yzak equips a Beam Coat on Duel Gundam actually. Also, I'm pretty sure Arthrun has the strongest anti-beam barrier in the game when you take him on for the final time in J. Of course, it seems there are quirks to the engine, and IIRC, moves like Photon Beam, which is a beam with out the (B) mark pierces both types of barrier.
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Gyra_Solune posted:as far as I know girls never kiss in galilei donna nor dancougar nova
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WrightOfWay posted:The Gravity Barriers that Nadesico units have in various games are more easily breached by moderately strong beams. In J Gravity Barriers cancel beam damage below 1500 and gravity attacks below 2500 and reduce all other attacks by 1000, for instance. Funny enough, that means that beams and gravity attacks do more damage than other attacks if they pass the minimum damage, as beams/gravity don't actually get reduced. The animation for deflecting beams and gravity is neat though.
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Of all the regularly appearing series in SRW, the one I understand the least is Gundam Wing. It just seems like no matter which games it's in, Alpha or Z or any side game, it's just one inexplicable thing after another. Characters fight against each other and immediately alongside each other again, for very unclear reasons. Also there's this whole absolute peace business that seems to come and go unrelated to anything else. Is the anime itself that way, or does SRW make it that way?
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Every character in Gundam Wing is a bond villain The proto Lacus Clyne of the series told giant robots to get off her lawn, she does not give a gently caress. No one gives a gently caress except Wu Fei, who gets punched in every SRW as a result.
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I just finished a stage in Z2-2 that I hadn't done before. Quatre is in the Wing Zero and just blew up a colony for some reason, and Heero and Trowa appear in some weird MSs that I had never seen before or since, in this or any other game. I have orders to destroy Quatre, and Heero and Trowa are attacking him too, but they will also attack us for some reason. Also there's some other guys that I have no idea what the gently caress they want attacking all three of us. It's probably the most confusing stage I have ever seen in SRW.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Of all the regularly appearing series in SRW, the one I understand the least is Gundam Wing. It just seems like no matter which games it's in, Alpha or Z or any side game, it's just one inexplicable thing after another. Characters fight against each other and immediately alongside each other again, for very unclear reasons. Also there's this whole absolute peace business that seems to come and go unrelated to anything else. Is the anime itself that way, or does SRW make it that way? The protagonists are very loosely connected at the start and had vague and conflicting goals for what was essentially retaliation for some politician's murder. Then most of them fall in with Zechs and Relena's pacifist kingdom and there's this long bit where everyone starts rambling about their who their "true enemy" might be and Richboy bin Gayharem goes nuts asking the targetting computer of the new Gundam who his enemy is and Wufei somehow triple crosses every faction and lives. Then the movie happens, Wufei switches sides 2 or 3 more times and Heero fails to kill himself for the dozenth time and everyone's convinced that putting down the latest petty rebellion will bring lasting peace or something.. Samurai Sanders posted:I just finished a stage in Z2-2 that I hadn't done before. Quatre is in the Wing Zero and just blew up a colony for some reason, and Heero and Trowa appear in some weird MSs that I had never seen before or since, in this or any other game. I have orders to destroy Quatre, and Heero and Trowa are attacking him too, but they will also attack us for some reason. Also there's some other guys that I have no idea what the gently caress they want attacking all three of us. It's probably the most confusing stage I have ever seen in SRW. Prototypes for the Virgo scary black energy shield and beam cannon MSes that show up near the end of the series. I forget exactly why those 2 were in them but I think they were prisoners at the time maybe but being made to test the new stuff because reasons. Quatre's out of his mind and the other 2 are working for OZ so of course they're supposed to fight you. dis astranagant fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Feb 8, 2015 |
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Samurai Sanders posted:I just finished a stage in Z2-2 that I hadn't done before. Quatre is in the Wing Zero and just blew up a colony for some reason, and Heero and Trowa appear in some weird MSs that I had never seen before or since, in this or any other game. I have orders to destroy Quatre, and Heero and Trowa are attacking him too, but they will also attack us for some reason. Also there's some other guys that I have no idea what the gently caress they want attacking all three of us. It's probably the most confusing stage I have ever seen in SRW. That's from the middle of the series. Quatre built the Wing Zero as revenge for his father's death, but the Zero system basically makes all but two people in Wing universe crazy, because of information overload. Heero and Trowa are probably in the Mercuris/V8 which are proto units for the grunts you'll be facing later. I think they appeared in D at least. It is accurate as the series, because Trowa and Heero are under forced orders to follow Oz and their mission is to neutralize Wing Zero.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Is the anime itself that way, or does SRW make it that way? You do kind of wonder how it ever became popular on Cartoon Network - you can't even really claim "just for the eye candy" because it's full of stock footage and animation hiccups.
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Gundam Wing is the story about a war that is over in 10 episodes and soldiers trying to find what their purpose in life is now that the fighting is over. So for actually a good chunk of the show the Gundams aren't even there, or are blown up or in some other state of disrepair. The pilots are all lost and trying to figure out what the gently caress their purpose even is anymore. Except Wufei, who's pretty much got the one goal in mind and never loses it. There's a director shift and a real plot shift but honestly, it's a pretty drat good concept if nothing else. I mean the freaking titular Gundam is blown up very early and then the protagonist rarely pilots it again. He spends more of the series in a variety of other suits and just trying to rationalize his place in the new world order.
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Also, I'm still kind of shaky on what OZ is in the source material. Is it a militarized organization inside the Earth government like the Titans? Or the Earth government itself? Or something else entirely?
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Samurai Sanders posted:Also, I'm still kind of shaky on what OZ is in the source material. Is it a militarized organization inside the Earth government like the Titans? Or the Earth government itself? Or something else entirely? OZ is basically the Titans, except that they started as basically the military wing of the Illuminati, and then when the Illuminati took over they became closer to the actual Federation Titans.
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OZ(Organization of the Zodiac) was a special ops branch of the Federation Millitary with ties to the Romefeller Foundation, a rich group of autocrats that did the usual thing a rich group of autocrats do. When Trieze became the head of OZ he eventually used it for stage a coup to take over the Federation.
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The core conflict of Gundam Wing is that an extremely well-dressed dude with weird eyebrows uses his Illuminati connections to take over the world, then gets into a mental battle against Peaceland, and then it turns out the well-dressed dude doesn't actually care so much about ruling anything as he does about fighting honorably in eternal battle. Also, in the worst game of telephone ever, somebody called Pizza Hut and ordered a colony drop but instead got 7 indestructible killing machines piloted by 6 indestructible killing machines.
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Feb 8, 2015 18:35
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Davzz posted:Yes, Gundam Wing in its source material is pretty bugfuck insane as well.
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The best thing about Gundam Wing's politics is when some power-hungry duke decides to put Relena in place as a figurehead queen. She knows she's a figurehead but as cited above, she gives no fucks, so she starts going off on speeches about absolute pacifism and people start taking her seriously. Then the duke immediately backpedals and removes her from power again. But she still gives no fucks and has every bit as much of a death wish as any of the male protagonists.
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Rascyc posted:Action cartoons were really scarce at the time and the DBZ well was going temporarily dry too. Wing had mecha and that was a mostly new thing unless you were one of the few who had copies of Robotech on VHS.
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here's another reason gundam wing got popular:
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I find the gundam wing popularity in the US hilarious because it's prettyboys: the gundam and that went completely over the heads of every 14 year old boy that was super into it at the time. poo poo I watched a LOT of toonami back then and did not give much of a poo poo about wing. Ronin Warriors was MY prettyboys action show thank you.
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Endorph posted:here's another reason gundam wing got popular:
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Samurai Sanders posted:Yeah, a lot of English speakers experienced Gundam for the first time via Wing, and it seems like a really loving weird place to start. I can't imagine how it colors your perceptions of other Gundam shows. It's insane and retarded, so it made it pretty easy to go on and watch the others imo. Wing is good poo poo.
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A lot of Gundam Wing popularity was self-insertion daydreaming, too. I had a friend who was super into it who totally wished he was Duo Maxwell. Ironically I avoided it on Toonami because at the time I thought mecha was ridiculous. I wound up getting into Gundam and other mecha through Super Robot Wars for love of SRPGs. 
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The first Gundam I can remember watching was 0079 (the movie versions) but that was after playing both SRWa1 and 2. I still haven't seen any of Gundam X, Victory, Wing, and a few others. However, the plot of those others is all so much clearer to me than Wing's, despite Wing being in so many SRW games.
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maou shoujo posted:I had a friend who was super into it who totally wished he was Duo Maxwell. Wasn't named Matt, was he? Maybe Duo just had some weird effect on teenagers though.
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I remember loving Wing and 0079 when they were on Toonami. Child me was pretty upset that they took 0079 out of the afternoon slot after 9/11. I loved myself some giant robots. Which is probably why SRW sounded like the greatest game ever when I first heard of it.
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Ethiser posted:Child me was pretty upset that they took 0079 out of the afternoon slot after 9/11.
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Light Gun Man posted:Wasn't named Matt, was he? Maybe Duo just had some weird effect on teenagers though. Nope, I'm thinking of a guy named Jeffrey.
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The Mercurius and Vayeate also show up in Alpha. I remember being surprised at seeing them in the final OZ stage, their only showing for me since I hadn't followed any of the Wing routes.
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GimmickMan posted:The Mercurius and Vayeate also show up in Alpha. I remember being surprised at seeing them in the final OZ stage, their only showing for me since I hadn't followed any of the Wing routes. I actually love the how the mercurius and vayeate were used as a prototype proof of concept for the mass produced virgo. The only other time I have ever seen the mass produced unit out preform the prototype in a gundam show was qubeley mkII mp in ZZ.
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Samurai Sanders posted:The first Gundam I can remember watching was 0079 (the movie versions) but that was after playing both SRWa1 and 2. I still haven't seen any of Gundam X, Victory, Wing, and a few others. However, the plot of those others is all so much clearer to me than Wing's, despite Wing being in so many SRW games. I think most Gundam plots boil down to "go there, shoot that." The interesting stuff is character drama. Wing bucks the trend by being super Nineties, so there's no driving plot because, like, we're trying to get through this thing called life, or whatever. Also the Gundams have a shade of G's silliness without being obvious about it.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Wow, seriously? Are colony crashes too much like airplanes flying into buildings, or something? The rumor I heard was that it was just used as an excuse because 0079 wasn't doing to well in the ratings.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Wow, seriously? Are colony crashes too much like airplanes flying into buildings, or something? Anyway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_entertainment_affected_by_the_September_11_attacks is always worth a read if you weren't around at the time. Even series like Pokemon and Power Rangers couldn't escape. Dang I didn't realize Transformers got so ripped up too.
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Rascyc posted:Anyway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_entertainment_affected_by_the_September_11_attacks is always worth a read if you weren't around at the time. Even series like Pokemon and Power Rangers couldn't escape. Dang I didn't realize Transformers got so ripped up too.
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Rascyc posted:A lot of shows were altered immediately after 9/11 due to war tones or having some plot related to the air industry. Anime and content produced outside the US didn't have that luxury. Cartoon Network selectively pulled out episodes from various series that were airing at the time like Cowboy Bebop whereas 0079 got pulled after airing one episode and seeing that only like 2 people in the US were watching it. They canned it afterwards and tried to re-air it years later but it was dead by that point. 0079 just had nothing to offer over Gundam Wing in the west, kids didn't care about the whole War Subplot they just wanted some loving Robots and maybe a surrogate for Goku. I think the reason 0079 didn't do too well here had more to do with it having incredibly dated animation, if Bandai/Sunrise had wanted Universal Century Gundam to do well in the states, they should have just aired the Movie Trilogy a couple times then air Zeta Gundam, but even that plan has quite a few flaws to it, to be frank Universal Century never really had a chance in the states, as all of the TV series for it have at least one massive flaw to them that makes them unsuitable for US television, so that leaves only the OVAs and the movies which aren't enough, but then most of the AU series outside G and Wing have similar issues so Gundam was kinda screwed no matter what
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Oh hey we are in the wing phase of the thread cycle? Guess I'll just go with the usual and link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGl8Yq1EaX8
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Lostconfused posted:Oh hey we are in the wing phase of the thread cycle? Guess I'll just go with the usual and link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGl8Yq1EaX8 drrockso20 posted:I think the reason 0079 didn't do too well here had more to do with it having incredibly dated animation, if Bandai/Sunrise had wanted Universal Century Gundam to do well in the states, they should have just aired the Movie Trilogy a couple times then air Zeta Gundam, but even that plan has quite a few flaws to it, to be frank Universal Century never really had a chance in the states, as all of the TV series for it have at least one massive flaw to them that makes them unsuitable for US television, so that leaves only the OVAs and the movies which aren't enough, but then most of the AU series outside G and Wing have similar issues so Gundam was kinda screwed no matter what Although, I never understood why 0083 had like, one initial run then about two or three re-runs before being removed completely and Gundam never appearing on the Adult Swim block until they threw Endless Waltz or CCA on as a special night randomly. Same for 0080 on the Toonami Midnight Run experiment. I'm guessing they too were victims of the aforementioned 9/11 edits.
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