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dpack_1 posted:Irrational Irritation = toward the end they send two jaegers to the ocean bed. Only, Gypsy Danger is 'analogue' and runs on "50 diesel engines per muscle strand". How the gently caress are them engines getting any oxygen to keep the internal combustion going?! Obviously they're extracting oxygen molecules from all the water around it! It's a movie about giant robots punching giant monsters, don't think about it too hard. In one scene a giant robot fist punches through an office building and stops just short of obliterating a desk, but just enough force to set off a newton's cradle on it.
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Away all Goats posted:Obviously they're extracting oxygen molecules from all the water around it! Hence irrational. Like i say, i love this stupid movie, seen it half a dozen times, just only noticed that about the underwater scene.
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Feb 10, 2015 03:15
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dpack_1 posted:Pacific Rim has been brought up a few times. On the whole I love this film, it's a ridiculous tounge-in-cheek sci-fi action with good comic relief, no awkward love scene, and giant loving robots fighting giant loving monsters. I was a little disappointed by Pacific Rim, but with Del Toro at the helm I was hoping for something more Evangelion when in reality it was more Godzilla meets Power Rangers. If I'd known that going in, I could have been in the right mindset and appreciated it more, I think. Speaking of, its sorta a Irritating Movie Momemnt, but at the same time its what made me realize the movie wasn't trying to be Evangelion at all but instead was more Super Sentai; They fight with Gypsy Danger several times, against a few different kaiju, and its like okay, here's what the robot can do: It punches stuff. That's how it fights. Then all of a sudden in the middle of a fight where they're losing, its like "HEY remember that super-secret power sword that we never mentioned earlier? Lets use that to defeat this guy really easily"  They should have mentioned earlier that they had a power sword, but they couldn't use it more than once or something so they had to save it, and then forget about it for awhile only to bring it out in the 3rd act, like a Chekhov's gun. But again, its what made me realize the movie is literally Super Sentai. They do the exact same thing, where they fight hand-to-hand (with giant robots?) for a long time, seem to be losing, then all of a sudden its "hey guys, lets use that sword!" and they 1-shot the enemy. Why the gently caress don't you guys just open with the sword? You'd be done. Nothing ever survives the sword.
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Feb 10, 2015 04:06
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It's an issue that's been addressed before in this thread. In the movie, it was mentioned that the kaiju's blood was highly radioactive, so it can be seen that a bladed weapon might have been a last ditch effort, as opposed to bludgeoning their heads in with their fists until they stopped moving. I dunno.
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Feb 10, 2015 04:16
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Coffee And Pie posted:On paper, nothing about Fifth Element should work, and yet it does. And it's amazing. Couple of pages back, but I feel exactly the same way about Zoolander. Ben Stiller as a male model? A plot to kill the Prime Minister of Malaysia because he's going to pass laws to help sweatshop workers? Frankie Goes to Hollywood's Manchurian Candidacy? Sounds like utter drivel.
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Zaphod42 posted:I was a little disappointed by Pacific Rim, but with Del Toro at the helm I was hoping for something more Evangelion when in reality it was more Godzilla meets Power Rangers. If I'd known that going in, I could have been in the right mindset and appreciated it more, I think. This is why I loved Pacific Rim so much.  I love Japanese film in general and never in my life had I entertained the notion I'd ever get to see a high-budget Hollywood tokusatsu film that stays so true to the source material. Del Toro really went out of his way to capture the tropes I've grown to appreciate in things like Super Sentai and Ultraman.It kind of gives me hope for the rumored Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers movie I've heard murmurs about. If it shows even half the love toward the genre that Pacific Rim did then I'm going to throw as much money at that movie as I can spare.
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Feb 10, 2015 07:05
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Memento posted:Couple of pages back, but I feel exactly the same way about Zoolander. Ben Stiller as a male model? A plot to kill the Prime Minister of Malaysia because he's going to pass laws to help sweatshop workers? Frankie Goes to Hollywood's Manchurian Candidacy? Sounds like utter drivel. Zoolander was totally lightning-in-a-bottle. I actually generally don't like Ben Stiller or his particular comedic style, but Zoolander is non-stop laughs from start to finish. You can watch it over and over and its still funny. Actually it just gets funnier, the movie is amazingly quotable. But why male models?
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Feb 10, 2015 07:17
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dpack_1 posted:Pacific Rim has been brought up a few times. On the whole I love this film, it's a ridiculous tounge-in-cheek sci-fi action with good comic relief, no awkward love scene, and giant loving robots fighting giant loving monsters. Gypsy Danger's nuclear. Crimson Typhoon, the three-armed Chinese jaeger, is the one that ran on diesel.
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Feb 10, 2015 08:08
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Zaphod42 posted:Zoolander was totally lightning-in-a-bottle. I actually generally don't like Ben Stiller or his particular comedic style, but Zoolander is non-stop laughs from start to finish. You can watch it over and over and its still funny. Actually it just gets funnier, the movie is amazingly quotable. Cable Guy is one of the best movies ever, though.
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Feb 10, 2015 10:10
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Cable Guy is one of the best movies ever, though. I'm better with him as a director than an actor. He's barely in Cable Guy as a bit character. He was also good in Dodgeball, but it was another small and outrageous role.
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Feb 10, 2015 10:39
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Zaphod42 posted:But why male models? My favorite bit about that gag is that Ben Stiller just forgot his next line, and Fox Mulder reacted to him starting over with his little rant. A lot of the best jokes are improvs, I find.
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Feb 10, 2015 13:07
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Cowslips Warren posted:Motherfucking goddamn loving narration. Maleficient, looking at you as one of your lesser crimes. The Book of Life, seriously? For a loving kid movie about Day of the Dead, why was so much time spent with the drat kids in the museum's reactions to the story? SHOW ME THE STORY, I don't need narration or the kids exclaiming stupid things! I think the one movie that manages to break the "Narration is lovely" rule is Goodfellas. Ray Liotta's narration is one of my favorite parts of that movie.
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Feb 10, 2015 15:16
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AFewBricksShy posted:I think the one movie that manages to break the "Narration is lovely" rule is Goodfellas. Ray Liotta's narration is one of my favorite parts of that movie. Most Scorsese narration is not only done well but absolutely necessary considering the sheer amount of information that needs to be conveyed. His usual 2.5 hour films would be even longer if he chose to show all of that, rather than tell.
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Feb 10, 2015 15:22
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Also Ray Liotta's monologues help build his character and gets you to realize how screwed up he us long before he does.
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Feb 10, 2015 15:27
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Also, Scorcese gets to do some fun things with narration, like in Wolf of Wall Street: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tX40xe2cnw&t=44s"No no no no no. My Ferrari was white, like Don Johnson's in Miami Vice."
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Feb 10, 2015 15:35
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I think what bugged me most about Big Hero 6, despite quite enjoying most of the movie, is that there's this kid who has some sort of super-fabricator in his loving garage that can make anything including super nano-blades that slice through anything, chemical weaponry, vehicles, rockets, guns, and it's just ridiculous. I really liked the moment-to-moment stuff in the film, but goddamn talk about a super kid that can do anything. Oh and everyone runs into battle while his 'ability' is riding something. Maaaybe should just stay back at base? Make more robots or something.
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Feb 10, 2015 15:44
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AFewBricksShy posted:I think the one movie that manages to break the "Narration is lovely" rule is Goodfellas. Ray Liotta's narration is one of my favorite parts of that movie. I really like the narration in Casino. Joe Pesci's narration stops mid sentence as he is suddenly killed
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Feb 10, 2015 15:53
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Alhazred posted:I really like the narration in Casino. Joe Pesci's narration stops mid sentence as he is suddenly killed That particular narration was wonderful because up until that point you're lead to believe that DeNiro, Pesci and Vincent's characters all survived the events of the movie in order to tell this story
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I finally saw Birdman and holy crap, that movie was loving amazing. I mean seriously. Can we just like burn all of Hollywood to the ground and start up a new industry of filmmaking lead by Alejandro González Iñárritu? I absolutely love this man's cinematography. This is what I've been begging for the last 10 years. Looooooooong as gently caress shots. The whole entire film is pretty much a single take with no edits or cutaways, only a few tasteful transitions between scenes that absolutely require it, and done in really interesting ways. The camera slowly move around and pulls back in a playful way that makes you appreciate the set, and it also hovers around the characters in a way that makes all the acting feel REAL. Its not acting. These things were happening. Its all the better because the film is about actors and a stage play-within-a-movie. Then as if that wasn't enough, we get some unreliable narrator, which I'm a sucker for, and the movie just goes all kinds of places. Its completely unpredictable. In a world of sequels and remakes, this comes completely out of left field. If it wasn't for Black Swan making waves a year ago, I wouldn't even know what to compare this movie to. They are very similar in theme and tone, and yet really different. So I guess my Irritating Movie Moment is that other movies aren't more like Birdman. They're total predictable poo poo with cardboard characters that have no development and cinematography that just lazily cuts together 30 second takes between when the actors flubbed their lines. Kruller posted:My favorite bit about that gag is that Ben Stiller just forgot his next line, and Fox Mulder reacted to him starting over with his little rant. A lot of the best jokes are improvs, I find. Yeah really good comedy seems super hard to script. It just has to kinda happen on-set.
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Zaphod42 posted:I finally saw Birdman and holy crap, that movie was loving amazing. I mean seriously. The whole movie had me on edge because of the long shots, I felt like I couldn't relax because it was always moving, and I loved it. As you say, there are obvious edits (or teleportation technology has matured a lot  ), but it's still drat impressive even if they sneak in a cut in some places.
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Morpheus posted:I think what bugged me most about Big Hero 6, despite quite enjoying most of the movie, is that there's this kid who has some sort of super-fabricator in his loving garage that can make anything including super nano-blades that slice through anything, chemical weaponry, vehicles, rockets, guns, and it's just ridiculous. I really liked the moment-to-moment stuff in the film, but goddamn talk about a super kid that can do anything. But everything in that movie is ridiculous. Nothing technical in that movie is even remotely close to being buildable thing irl. So just accept that it's a magical world and anything can be build easely. To counter your point about the fighting equipment, it was all based on the group members individual work (except the superjump suit) at the school and would just be using their research in creative ways. About Hiro not having anything cool, I guess it was either upgrade the marshmallow or create a micro-bot army of his own and he went for the first option.
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Feb 10, 2015 18:24
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Most Scorsese narration is not only done well but absolutely necessary considering the sheer amount of information that needs to be conveyed. His usual 2.5 hour films would be even longer if he chose to show all of that, rather than tell. This was my irritating moment with American Hustle, it felt like it was aping Scorcese style narration (and Scorcese style everything else), and the entire film - which I thought wasn't bad at all! - left me thinking,"Man I'd rather be watching Goodfellas."
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Feb 10, 2015 21:52
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Jerusalem posted:This was my irritating moment with American Hustle, it felt like it was aping Scorcese style narration (and Scorcese style everything else), and the entire film - which I thought wasn't bad at all! - left me thinking,"Man I'd rather be watching Goodfellas." To be fair, there's very few movies in existence which I'd rather be watching than Goodfellas.
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Feb 11, 2015 00:00
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Zaphod42 posted:To be fair, there's very few movies in existence which I'd rather be watching than Goodfellas. Yeah. You sort of have to make time for watching Goodfellas or Casino to appreciate more than the first two-thirds of the movie. I'm guilty of getting bored and sidetracked while watching those and other movies that are longer than the usual 90-120 minutes long.
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Feb 11, 2015 00:18
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kinmik posted:It's an issue that's been addressed before in this thread. In the movie, it was mentioned that the kaiju's blood was highly radioactive, so it can be seen that a bladed weapon might have been a last ditch effort, as opposed to bludgeoning their heads in with their fists until they stopped moving. Zedd posted:To be slightly fair to Pacific Rim, the sword was strongly implied to be a new weapon with the rebuilding of Gypsy Danger, and with Riley being way more prominently in control (even though they should be synced up.
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Feb 11, 2015 00:32
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Zedd posted:Outside of the acid blood the sword was likely a new addition, quoting myself: 
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Casino did not need to be to as long as it was. If Casino was going to have that much narration it should have been a straight documentary. I loving hated the movie because it took every aspect of Goodfellas and ramped it up to excessive levels. The only good part of the movie was the Eagleheart parody which replaces the casinos with middle-age swinger clubs.
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Why in The Departed do Mark Whalberg and Martin Sheen effectively run Leo out of the state police and guilt him into going undercover. I realize he's got a bad past but do they really not think he'll hack it?
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Feb 11, 2015 02:26
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No. They just need him, it's a movie about incomprehensibly labyrinthine power struggles and the dehumanization therein.
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Pook Good Mook posted:Why in The Departed do Mark Whalberg and Martin Sheen effectively run Leo out of the state police and guilt him into going undercover. I realize he's got a bad past but do they really not think he'll hack it? It's to prevent Jack Nicholson inevitably asking one of his moles on the force about Leo and them comeing back saying "Oh yeah, him? That guy is totally a cop, he graduated 10th in his class last month"
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Feb 11, 2015 03:22
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Zaphod42 posted:To be fair, there's very few movies in existence which I'd rather be watching than Goodfellas. I was flicking around channels the other day and I turned on Fox Classics and it was the bit where he pistol-whipps that dude who cut rough with Karen in the driveway. I said to myself, "Welp, I didn't really have anything to do for the next two hours". I had forgotten Samuel L. Jackson was in that movie. Brilliant film.
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Greatbacon posted:It's to prevent Jack Nicholson inevitably asking one of his moles on the force about Leo and them comeing back saying "Oh yeah, him? That guy is totally a cop, he graduated 10th in his class last month" No I get that, but why don't they think he'll work out as a cop in the first place?
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Pook Good Mook posted:No I get that, but why don't they think he'll work out as a cop in the first place? He has a bad temper and doesn't work well in structure. He was perfect for a short term job but could never hack it long term.
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Pook Good Mook posted:No I get that, but why don't they think he'll work out as a cop in the first place? I'd have to re-watch the scene for details, but my takeaway was that he wasn't actually out of the academy until after he agreed to go undercover. In fact, if he was a bad cop they probably wouldn't have risked it. But they know he's smart and they need him to think that they think he's not going to make it as a cop so that he'll agree to do it. So that he'll think that going undercover is the only way he'll actually be a cop.
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Great video on why modern action movies suck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eac0lXfMs9c The only thing I disagree with him on is the Bourne series. He feels that the Bourne series' director is the only person who uses shakey cam correctly. I completely disagree. I feel like all the hard-work choreography in the Bourne series is completely wasted because I can't simply watch and enjoy it. A nice wide shot would let me follow the action, but no; its all quick cuts and shakeycam. I can't enjoy it. I figure Hollywood just realized it was cheaper to do shakeycam and imply fights rather than actually choreograph them. John Wick was great because it didn't half-rear end the choreography, and it used camerawork that actually let us see it and have a consistent idea of what was happening.
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah really good comedy seems super hard to script. It just has to kinda happen on-set. That's not true at all. Sometimes something just happens that's funny, but that's the rare exception. Most good comedy is scripted and rehearsed because it relies on people doing/saying the right thing at the right time, which rarely happens by accident.
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It helps when the leads have chemistry though.
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But why male models?
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Zaphod42 posted:John Wick was great because it didn't half-rear end the choreography, and it used camerawork that actually let us see it and have a consistent idea of what was happening. It definitely helped that John Wick was directed by a former stuntman/coordinator (who was Keanu Reeves's stunt double in the Matrix, if I'm not mistaken).
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Polaron posted:It definitely helped that John Wick was directed by a former stuntman/coordinator (who was Keanu Reeves's stunt double in the Matrix, if I'm not mistaken). Yeah, that movie was pretty much just "we love action movie choreography, here's an excuse to do more of that and do it well" I thought the story was bad but I knew that going in, and Keanu's acting was stiff but it always is. It took too long to get started too, I would edit out most of the stuff before the fights personally. But the fight sequences were all really well done, very smooth but also really violent, and I absolutely loved how colorful the film was.
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