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sleepwalkers posted:Even then, this is all a result of Google failing to work with their partners and shove their weight around like Apple does. Google's whole ethos with Android seems to be 'we made something, here CATCH, go do something with it'; the end product being an ecosystem made entirely from rough edges and hammered-together jigsaw pieces
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spincube posted:Google's whole ethos with Android seems to be 'we made something, here CATCH, go do something with it'; the end product being an ecosystem made entirely from rough edges and hammered-together jigsaw pieces  See: Wave, Buzz, Health, etc...really anything on this giant list. Must be fun to work there and be able to just constantly throw poo poo at the wall and see what sticks, though.
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:This isn't just their Android ethos
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Vagrancy posted:The flaws of the LED were always apparent to me (probably because I hopped on board with the Nexus S) so I'm not surprised they're sticking to their guns and pushing it aside. It's the SD card of notification methods, most are significantly better off without it. AlexanderCA posted:Really basic question here. Up until recently I had a 2010 HTC Legend and didn't give a gently caress about cleaning the screen. Now I have a second hand xperia z ultra with a huge beautiful screen. How can I best clean the screen? Can I use isopropyl alcohol? I have a endless supply of that at work. bryn987 posted:-Chrome crashes every few minutes.
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Must be fun to work there and be able to just constantly throw poo poo at the wall and see what sticks, though. I'd be depressed as all hell, to be honest: I don't consider looking back at a wasteland full of half-finished, abandoned projects much fun.Why bother with basics like noticing everyday problems and building solutions to fit those problems, if someone's only going to decide it 'doesn't fit our vision' and poo poo-can it two years late-ohhhh ohhhhhhhhhh
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nerve posted:Same. I was under the impression that the Nexus 6 was one of the phones pretty universally working well on lollipop. It is. No silent mode or LED are my only quibbles.
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Using an iPhone, I survived for years without a LED. When I got my Nexus 5 I found it pretty neat but considering the LED doesn't really tell you anything aside from "Yo, you have notifications," I really don't see the need for it? Like it really doesn't tell you anything useful unless the app color-codes the notification and that goes to poo poo once you have multiple apps using the same color. I mean it was slightly more useful during the pre-Lollipop days when you had to unlock your phone for notifications, but it's more a novelty than anything now. I can't think of a compelling reason to keep it aside from annoying the poo poo out of you out of the corner of your eye 
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robodex posted:Using an iPhone, I survived for years without a LED. When I got my Nexus 5 I found it pretty neat but considering the LED doesn't really tell you anything aside from "Yo, you have notifications," I really don't see the need for it? Like it really doesn't tell you anything useful unless the app color-codes the notification and that goes to poo poo once you have multiple apps using the same color. What you're looking for is this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rageconsulting.android.lightflow&hl=en
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Rastor posted:I don't know what Google Wallet you all have been using, but the one I'm using on my Moto X lets me add any major US credit card to my account, and when I tap my phone that credit card gets charged. Except that's not the way it works. Your Google account gets charged and then Google charges your credit card. That's fine if you are just buying can of pop out of the vending machine. That's not fine if you get vendor specific perks or want to you ANY of the protections your credit card offers you. Good luck disputing a charge that gets passed through wallet at the credit card level. "I'm sorry sir, that charge is from Google, not the store you said wronged you. We can't do anything about it." Say good buy to extended warranty coverage or 90 day theft/breakage protection. "You broke your phone after only 10 days. Well, your receipt says you bought it from Best Buy but I see no charges from Best Buy on your account, I only see charges from Google. We can't help you." Wallet is just a curiosity until native charges get posted to your account rather than a proxy payment through Google.
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bull3964 posted:Except that's not the way it works. Do you frequently dispute charges for cans of pop?
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CLAM DOWN posted:What you're looking for is this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rageconsulting.android.lightflow&hl=en I'm not paying $2.49, especially when I'd rather just disable the LED completely 
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robodex posted:I'm not paying $2.49, especially when I'd rather just disable the LED completely Lucky for you that they also offer a free lite version! https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rageconsulting.android.lightflowlite&hl=en
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:This isn't just their Android ethos PREDICTING GOOGLE CLOSURES
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Rastor posted:I'm not saying the system is flawless, I'm saying it works. I'm saying the statement "people don't use Google Wallet because it doesn't work with their credit cards/debit cards, period." makes no sense. It does work with credit cards/debit cards, and I use it all the time for small purchases. No, but that's why I said that you would only want to use it for tiny purchases and nothing important. But now that you mention it, what if the vending machine malfunctioned and double submitted the transaction? The point is, a layer between the vendor and the credit card creates a whole ton of complications to the point where you can be really justified in saying that it's broken and doesn't work even if it 'technically' does. Even Google must think so if they are integrating tech from Softcard to try to revamp things. It's not a good solution and plays a very significant part in why it's not being used by many people.
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bull3964 posted:It's not a good solution and plays a very significant part in why it's not being used by many people. Eh, I'll say it again. People don't even know Wallet exists, much less know enough to have dug into it deep enough to figure out the extra layer Google adds to the transaction. Not that I disagree with the idea that it would be a turn-off if people actually did know how it worked.
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Vagrancy posted:5.1 makes some tweaks to interrruptions: Not getting into an argument over the LED, but what does 5.1 change about its behavior vs 4.x?
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Thermopyle posted:Eh, I'll say it again. People don't even know Wallet exists, much less know enough to have dug into it deep enough to figure out the extra layer Google adds to the transaction. Wallet sure but Isis was pushed pretty hard, they even paid me $1 per transaction to use it.
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robodex posted:I'm not paying $2.49, especially when I'd rather just disable the LED completely It's completely worth it, but your call. I'll never understand why people get stingy and weird about spending money on apps.
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Thermopyle posted:Eh, I'll say it again. People don't even know Wallet exists, much less know enough to have dug into it deep enough to figure out the extra layer Google adds to the transaction. That's all one in the same. By making it a proxy layer, Google is not engaging their partners. They are making it work in spite of their partners. Without partner engagement, people aren't told about it and then people don't know about it. The whole reason why people are using Apple Pay is I'm sure their credit card company either sent them an email or a glossy letter in the mail telling them about this new and wonderful way to link their card up and pay. Credit card companies aren't going to advertise a feature that shields them from the actual transaction.
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Reverse Centaur posted:It is. No silent mode or LED are my only quibbles. You can access it with the paid version of Light Flow. robodex posted:Using an iPhone, I survived for years without a LED. When I got my Nexus 5 I found it pretty neat but considering the LED doesn't really tell you anything aside from "Yo, you have notifications," I really don't see the need for it? Like it really doesn't tell you anything useful unless the app color-codes the notification and that goes to poo poo once you have multiple apps using the same color.
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Is there such a thing as a thin-profile headphone jack extender for working around stupid cases and stupid plugs?
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bull3964 posted:No, but that's why I said that you would only want to use it for tiny purchases and nothing important. But now that you mention it, what if the vending machine malfunctioned and double submitted the transaction? bull3964 posted:That's all one in the same. By making it a proxy layer, Google is not engaging their partners. They are making it work in spite of their partners. Without partner engagement, people aren't told about it and then people don't know about it.
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Did you ever, once, get communication about those features from those companies? Did you ever see them put a commercial on prime time TV about it? You can't watch a half hour of network TV without seeing one or two commercials about a credit card company touting Apple Pay.
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Rastor posted:All Google Wallet transactions are covered under Google's 120 day Google Wallet Fraud Protection.
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I really don't pay for anything anymore online unless it's with PayPal, I saved some good money thanks to the petition system they have.
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bull3964 posted:Did you ever, once, get communication about those features from those companies? Did you ever see them put a commercial on prime time TV about it? You can't watch a half hour of network TV without seeing one or two commercials about a credit card company touting Apple Pay. Regarding the commercials, Apple has for years now featured prominently in commercials and other media, so I'm not sure "there are Apple ads" proves anything at all. Do you believe the thing with more TV commercials is the superior thing?
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I believe the thing with more commercials is the is the thing that most people know about. Superiority doesn't enter into it (though, in this case, Apple Pay is superior by a large margin.) At the end of the day, no one but a few nerds know gently caress all about Google Wallet. If credit card companies thought it was a way to engage people to increase their transactions, you would bet your rear end they would make sure all their account holders knew every detail about it.
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bull3964 posted:That's all one in the same. By making it a proxy layer, Google is not engaging their partners. They are making it work in spite of their partners. Without partner engagement, people aren't told about it and then people don't know about it. I think you're backpedaling here, but you may just be expounding an additional point. Saying "people don't use Wallet because Google adds an extra layer to the transaction" is completely different from saying "people don't use Wallet because they don't know about it". The root cause of those two things may be the same, but one is accurate description of the reason people don't use wallet and the other is an inaccurate description. Three Olives posted:Wallet sure but Isis was pushed pretty hard, they even paid me $1 per transaction to use it. If people's awareness of Apple Pay is 100, people's awareness of ISIS is like 3, and their awareness of Wallet is like .5 Anyway, we're all just pontificating without data, so that's kinda useless.
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Some M9 leaks http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/02/24/two-alleged-htc-one-m9-images-leak-courtesy-upleaks-video-teased-tomorrow/ Its interesting, to say the least. The on-screen power button is a bit of a "What the gently caress were they thinking?", but who knows. I'm still focusing on the Z4, but if it has wireless charging it'll at least be worth a look. ilkhan fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Feb 24, 2015 |
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ilkhan posted:Some M9 leaks I guess the on-screen power button could be useful for us M8 owners as the real power button is kinda hard to reach. Doesnt really make sense for the M9 though if the leaks are true and they moved the button to the side.
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ilkhan posted:Some M9 leaks I have to say that I love HTC phones since the One M7. My wife's Desire 816 runs smooth (snapdragon 400 and 1.5Gb ram are more than enough) and Sense to me is really nice to use. The only downside about the flagships is that they are kinda heavy but isn't something critical.
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I think in this Wallet discussion you guys are missing the forest for the trees. You're working backward from "This is technically just as good as (or works roughly similar to) ApplePay and it was here first, why don't people adopt it?" instead of "Why is ApplePay being adopted and Wallet being ignored?" Lots of people here brought up the fact that Google always choosing to cut out partners and rolling a half-finished process are right but I think are still missing the bigger picture. I think the key issue is trust. People trust Apple. They trust Apple's done their homework, lined up the partners, and rolled out a solution that works well from day one. This goes deeper than just this feature and it goes to the heart of what Desk Lamp said earlier, it goes to enthusiasm on the part of the user base and a willingness to trust that Apple is caring for their ecosystem and you get the former by means of the latter. I mean in this case the specifics are well known: Google tried to bypass both credit card companies, carriers, and their OEMs in the interest of just taking the data. Carriers put the kibosh on that immediately and created The bigger picture though still remains. Google has a loose coalition of partners, the key member of which was actively hostile toward it. The ecosystem was and still remains to a large degree fragmented and thrown together. And the key point, users had and still have no idea of the relationship between Google, Android, their carrier, and the OEM. This right here is the main thing. You can't build trust by throwing "Wallet" on a user's Samsung Galaxy S5 and expect them to just throw in their financial data and use it without the Verizon rep pointing out that it's safe, without Samsung saying that this isn't just crapware like all the other crapware on this phone, and most importantly without their credit card companies saying "Hey, use this neat thing on your device!" Why would anyone trust this? Why would anyone not just think that it's another Verizon Navigator wanting you to pay for something Google gives you for free? They wouldn't and they shouldn't. Now Apple can get away with it because they're Apple. They don't put crapware on their devices and people know and trust this. Carriers can't block them because (going back to Desk Lamp's excellent point) their fans demand their carriers carry the iPhone and Apple won't compromise. Apple doesn't have to get OEM and carrier permissions to install apps and services on their own devices but that's the difference between being a niche product and a commodity (and it bears mentioning that Google is completely fine with this; they care about being on as many devices as possible first and foremost). The thing is that if you're going to be the commodity OS, then you have to, must, cannot refuse to engage your partners. You can't be both the biggest and most trusted without acknowledging and leveraging (and yes, sharing the spoils with) your partners. Until Google runs the Android ecosystem in a way where everyone benefits, from the partners down to the user, and the user knows, understands, and trusts that ecosystem they'll never be able to launch initiatives like this.
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ilkhan posted:Some M9 leaks
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LastInLine posted:Didn't want to put this in the monster post above since it's about something different but I saw a similar leak 3 days ago on Android Police and yeah, it's hard to hate on HTC. This looks like a fine device. Still has the impossibly large chin just so they can put the HTC logo front and center. Pass.
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LastInLine posted:The thing is that if you're going to be the commodity OS, then you have to, must, cannot refuse to engage your partners. It's worked out pretty well for them so far. I mean, they should do better on this, and they probably will do better and better at it, but it seems like their strategy worked out.
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LastInLine posted:
Bit of revisionist history here. Softcard (ISIS) was already being developed before Google released Wallet. One of the main sticking points for Verizon and other Softcard partners was an exclusivity agreement that was established before Google ever showed off Wallet. So, it wasn't that carriers and credit card companies got pissed off at being bypassed and invented ISIS as a response. They were already well on their way to developing contactless credit card payments when Google strolled in and said "Hey, how about this Wallet thing we made?" Google essentially sent out party invites after everyone else had already RSVPd to a different bash and then wondered why no one showed up. It's just another example of them not working with their partners. Had they developed a formal plan for wallet and presented it to carriers and credit card companies to get them on board before ISIS ever was founded in late 2010, then this whole thing might have never happened. Instead, Google did their normal thing about playing it close to their vest and then launching a beta level product on their own, expecting everyone else to change their plans and play along after the fact. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Feb 25, 2015 |
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The really impressive thing here is that as badly as Softcard/Google hosed up they didn't spend millions on that retarded Loop system that Samsung did.
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Guillermus posted:I have to say that I love HTC phones since the One M7. My wife's Desire 816 runs smooth (snapdragon 400 and 1.5Gb ram are more than enough) and Sense to me is really nice to use. The only downside about the flagships is that they are kinda heavy but isn't something critical. It's where they're heavy that's the problem. The M8 had too much in the bottom, combined with the low grip metal body made it an utter piece of poo poo to use at times. The thing was practically designed to flop out of your hands, it was annoying enough that I ditched mine after 6 months for a Nexus 6 for that reason alone. A ludicrous 6" phone should not be easier to handle one-handed than a 5", but having it weighted at the top makes the balance considerably better. Only thing I miss about the HTC is those goddamn glorious speakers that have no equal. Mr SoupTeeth fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Feb 25, 2015 |
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nimper posted:Still has the impossibly large chin just so they can put the HTC logo front and center. Pass. The glass chin is where the display/digitizer driver lives. It's possible to squeeze buttons on top of it, as HTC used to do before they switched on on-screen ones, but there's no way to fit a large speaker on there. I admit it's goofy looking but it can't be helped without losing the nice audio v  v
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