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Xavier434
Dec 4, 2002

I always thought of Setzer in KH as being a younger and hence more immature version of himself from VIII. Combined with the general atmosphere of KH in general, I thought it was fine.

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maou shoujo
Apr 12, 2014

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Larryb posted:

What was the out-of-universe reason for the name change then? Was Leon his name in the Japanese version of FF8 or something?

There isn't really one, his name was always Squall Leonheart in FF8 and Leon in KH. At one point in KH Yuffie refers to him as Squall, and he corrects her.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Are there people who play Kingdom Hearts for the Final Fantasy characters?

KillerDan
Nov 4, 2012
I play it for the Xehanorts. They're all so unique and varied.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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KillerDan posted:

I play it for the Xehanorts. They're all so unique and varied.

Aren't the series' original characters owned by Disney?

Spiffo
Nov 24, 2005

Xavier434 posted:

I always thought of Setzer in KH as being a younger and hence more immature version of himself from VIII. Combined with the general atmosphere of KH in general, I thought it was fine.

He was from ff6, and his entire character was has a airship and likes to adventure

okay there was the whole Daryl thing but it was mostly "my life is a chip in your pile, ante up!" adventure stuff. He fights with cards, darts, dice, slots and gold coins

Momomo
Dec 26, 2009

Dont judge me, I design your manhole

Fojar38 posted:

Are there people who play Kingdom Hearts for the Final Fantasy characters?

It was part of the appeal for the first few, yeah.

The series is over a decade old and I still find it hard to believe they made a crossover game about Disney and Final Fantasy.

Iceclaw
Nov 4, 2009

Fa la lanky down dilly, motherfuckers.

Spiffo posted:

He was from ff6, and his entire character was has a airship and likes to adventure

okay there was the whole Daryl thing but it was mostly "my life is a chip in your pile, ante up!" adventure stuff. He fights with cards, darts, dice, slots and gold coins

Well, he kind of was a pretty big loser that hanged around in his airship and kidnapped a woman because no one would give him the time of day. Bribing kids to win a contest fits him.

maou shoujo
Apr 12, 2014

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Did you know that the cards used by the generic Gambler nobodies have on them images of the five Organization XIII members who died in Chain of Memories? I noticed that for the first time while leveling Master Form earlier.

Chakram
Jun 3, 2010

by Shine

maou shoujo posted:

Did you know that the cards used by the generic Gambler nobodies have on them images of the five Organization XIII members who died in Chain of Memories? I noticed that for the first time while leveling Master Form earlier.

"We made these renders of them. We gotta use them for something I guess."

HGH
Dec 20, 2011
Apparently refighting all the Organization was in the original plans of KH2 (or at least an area like the Garden of Assemblage), they just didn't finish them in time I heard.

JesusSinfulHands
Oct 24, 2007
Sartre and Russell are my heroes
KH2 in general seems to have been rushed to production. Other things that come to mind include the lack of a Roxas boss fight and everything about Pride Lands

Xavier434
Dec 4, 2002

Spiffo posted:

He was from ff6, and his entire character was has a airship and likes to adventure

okay there was the whole Daryl thing but it was mostly "my life is a chip in your pile, ante up!" adventure stuff. He fights with cards, darts, dice, slots and gold coins

:doh: I read Setzer and was thinking Seifer the whole time.

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

JesusSinfulHands posted:

KH2 in general seems to have been rushed to production. Other things that come to mind include the lack of a Roxas boss fight and everything about Pride Lands

What about Pride Lands seems rushed?

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Dr Pepper posted:

What about Pride Lands seems rushed?

It's ten thousand square miles of absolute gently caress-all with a plot that's half-assed even by Kingdom Hearts' standards.

Amppelix
Aug 6, 2010

Oxxidation posted:

It's ten thousand square miles of absolute gently caress-all with a plot that's half-assed even by Kingdom Hearts' standards.

The plot is standard KH2 fare, and the world isn't actually that big though? It's big in surface area but look how fast you loving run. Also the Scar boss fight is cool. It seems like any other world in KH2 to me. Very few of the worlds have anything resembling interesting geography.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Lion Sora is bad, I thought was the main criticism. You have no defensive options whatsoever as Lion Sora except reflect with shorter invincibility frames. If you're playing at a high level you are going to repeatedly die to stupid poo poo that you could've avoided if you weren't a lion.

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
It's the Atlantica of KH2. It's not rushed, it's just a lovely, gimmicky stage rolled in with a lot of the game's most unfun enemies and bosses.

free basket of chips
Sep 7, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Beef Waifu posted:

It's the Atlantica of KH2. It's not rushed, it's just a lovely, gimmicky stage rolled in with a lot of the game's most unfun enemies and bosses.

I hope you're not talking about Earthshaker

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
Yeah, Groundshaker's a pretty bad boss fight. Like I can't think about any part of that fight that is fun from the camera being absolute poo poo, to the tedious cycle you have to go through to get to the shaman, to the fact that the shaman just turns invincible for a long time and will do it often after you get him low on health. Especially on critical where anything the shaman does is basically your death.

JesusSinfulHands
Oct 24, 2007
Sartre and Russell are my heroes

Dr Pepper posted:

What about Pride Lands seems rushed?

Stuff like Mufasa and Rafiki's voices just being stock dialogue from the movie and Scar's ghost being an incredibly half-assed recolor suggest the world wasn't very polished, even more so than the other Disney worlds in the game

Gologle
Apr 15, 2013

The Gologle Posting Experience.

<3
I seriously never remembered that Scar gets actual lines in this game.

Butt Ghost
Nov 23, 2013

I liked cat Pete.

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

Scar didn't even get a high-quality model, which I think pretty much every other Disney villain did.

maou shoujo
Apr 12, 2014

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Is Groundshaker canonically Scar's heartless?

Squallege
Jan 7, 2006

No greater good, no just cause

Grimey Drawer
"What can you tell me about Scar's ghost?" -Liquid Snake

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

maou shoujo posted:

Is Groundshaker canonically Scar's heartless?
Nope.

According to Pete by the time you fight him he's already a Heartless.

Incidentally this means that Scar is one of three people in the series who kept their sense of self aftet becoming a Heartless.

The other two being Xehanort and Sora.

t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010

is bbs critical manageable if I've never played it before?

Syka
Mar 24, 2007
sum n00b or wut?

Tremendous Taste posted:

is bbs critical manageable if I've never played it before?

That's what I've been doing. It's worked out pretty fine. I had to grind a little bit for like the first boss of each person's story but it otherwise worked out well. Also you get two extra command slots and I love having that.

Shangri-Law School
Feb 19, 2013

Dr Pepper posted:

Nope.

According to Pete by the time you fight him he's already a Heartless.

Incidentally this means that Scar is one of three people in the series who kept their sense of self aftet becoming a Heartless.

The other two being Xehanort and Sora.

I feel that the Groundshaker was his Heartless and the Scar you fought was actually his Nobody. It makes more sense that way.

free basket of chips
Sep 7, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Cruel and Unusual posted:

I feel that the Groundshaker was his Heartless and the Scar you fought was actually his Nobody. It makes more sense that way.

Scxar

Butt Ghost
Nov 23, 2013

Dr Pepper posted:

Nope.

According to Pete by the time you fight him he's already a Heartless.

Incidentally this means that Scar is one of three people in the series who kept their sense of self aftet becoming a Heartless.

The other two being Xehanort and Sora.
Clayton was a Heartless too, apparently. I guess they got the Tarzan rights back so he can show up as one of the XIII Xehanorts.

Gologle
Apr 15, 2013

The Gologle Posting Experience.

<3
Claxntoy.

EDIT: He controls the element of gorillas and his weapons are six automatic flintlock rifles.

Excels
Mar 7, 2012

Your plastic pal who's fun to be with!
if roxas is sora's body without a heart in it, did sora's heart just poof a new body when kairi hugged him? where was the shell flung to in time and space, shouldn't roxas be lying like ten feet away unconscious or something

Butt Ghost
Nov 23, 2013

I think Roxas is kind of Ventus' body or some poo poo I have no idea

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

Excels posted:

if roxas is sora's body without a heart in it, did sora's heart just poof a new body when kairi hugged him? where was the shell flung to in time and space, shouldn't roxas be lying like ten feet away unconscious or something

Pretty sure Sora was basically a Heartless taking on the shape of his human body from late KH1 to the start of KH2.

The game never really explains it but this makes the most sense. :shrug:

free basket of chips
Sep 7, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Excels posted:

if roxas is sora's body without a heart in it, did sora's heart just poof a new body when kairi hugged him? where was the shell flung to in time and space, shouldn't roxas be lying like ten feet away unconscious or something

I think he's just a heart. The KH1FM secret boss talks about how Sora is incomplete. Kairi just took away the Heartless bits I guess?
"Hearts are tough" is usually the explanation for any heart related twist.

pospysyl
Nov 10, 2012



RIP Leonard Nimoy.

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...


:smith:

Everybody in Pop Culture is dying.

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ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

What the gently caress, he was supposed to be immortal. :smith:

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