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temple posted:808s is the most influential hiphop rnb album in the past 10 years lmao sick bait dude. ill bite. no it isnt.
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808s is a pretty good album in some other genre
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Feb 27, 2015 05:21
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bows1 posted:You don't think Led Zepplin consistently improved their whole career? No. Have you not heard all of their albums or something? The last 2-3 are pretty bad esp compared to the preceding.
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Feb 27, 2015 05:24
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40 lbs to freedom posted:lmao sick bait dude. ill bite. 808s -> Drake -> Every non trap artist.
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Feb 27, 2015 05:29
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Teetering on the edge of another Kanye album ordering on the one hand, and on the other some dude is posturing up about led fuckin Zeppelin lol jesus Is the rest of Keith nutts poo poo as good as his freestyle at 0:40 or so??? https://youtube.com/watch?v=lt4cg8ZHCO8
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Feb 27, 2015 05:47
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temple posted:808s -> Drake -> Every non trap artist. It's not even non-trap artists. Future's essentially made a career out of doing 808's & Gangsta Heartbreak. It's easily the most influential album of the 2000's, at least w/r/t rap.
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Feb 27, 2015 06:41
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zeldadude posted:uh I don't know if this belongs here or in NMD but I'll just post it in both! Hey Trey, what's up? I'll type up some good rec's tomorrow. BTW you all should know that zeldadude is gangster as fucc. 
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thathonkey posted:Well yeah, i love Kanye, he's a once in a lifetime type of artist and rightfully an icon now but some of his albums just arent that great. My argument was simply that there really arent any artists across all genres - not just rap - with a sustained career that is always on the up. Without him experimenting with 808s we don't get(IMO his best album) in MBDTF. And Even 808s had songs like Heartless, Amazing, Bad News, And I have a softspot for Love Lockdown and Street Lights but I realize that's probably a bad opinion. 808s and Yeezus aren't albums that I would just let play. But they aren't really even bad, just disappointing compared to the crazy good run Kanye had been on. Kanye is one of the few artists who is constantly looking to change things up and never stays complacent. Sometimes it hits, other times it doesn't. But even his misses are influential, and come not because he's not relevant or isn't changing but usually because he's changing too drat much from what you are used to hearing from him.
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zeldadude posted:uh I don't know if this belongs here or in NMD but I'll just post it in both! Someone else mentioned this again, and I was gonna type some stuff before but got busy and/or forgot. Basically, you really need to either give another couple examples or something, because while that's not a bad beat by any means, it's kinda generic in what it does. Like there's no signature, or nothing that made it pop to me at least, so it's like anything that uses samples & drums but that's like 50% of everything in rap? Off the top of my head I'd say the most similar would be Dilla, maybe Madlib (although he tends to do a bit more on his production), 9th wonder, Blurprint, some Q-Tip production...just lots of things really. Dexo posted:Without him experimenting with 808s we don't get(IMO his best album) in MBDTF. And Even 808s had songs like Heartless, Amazing, Bad News, And I have a softspot for Love Lockdown and Street Lights but I realize that's probably a bad opinion. 808s and Yeezus aren't albums that I would just let play. But they aren't really even bad, just disappointing compared to the crazy good run Kanye had been on.
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Feb 27, 2015 10:50
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Yeezus is the best album of all time.
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Feb 27, 2015 11:40
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Yeezus is the best album of all time. Blood on the Leaves, New Slaves, Hold my liquor and Bound 2 are pretty great....
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Feb 27, 2015 11:49
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Yeezus is the best album of all time. It has a few good songs
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Feb 27, 2015 13:26
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Rappers that have grown, maintained, or changed: Common Talib Kweli Mobb Deep Mos Def Juicy J Nas Royce Cam'ron Ghostface DOOM Kanye De La Soul Black Eyed Peas Aesop Rock Busta Rhymes E-40 Necro Murs Kool Keith ??? Jay Z Eminem Wayne
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You guys were right I was wrong 
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temple posted:Rappers that have grown, maintained, or changed: You forgot to list every other rapper ever, because everyone has grown, maintained, or changed. Also like 95% of the dudes there have gotten worse, I assumed that there was some sort of qualitative component to the discussion.
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alansmithee posted:Someone else mentioned this again, and I was gonna type some stuff before but got busy and/or forgot. Basically, you really need to either give another couple examples or something, because while that's not a bad beat by any means, it's kinda generic in what it does. Like there's no signature, or nothing that made it pop to me at least, so it's like anything that uses samples & drums but that's like 50% of everything in rap? Off the top of my head I'd say the most similar would be Dilla, maybe Madlib (although he tends to do a bit more on his production), 9th wonder, Blurprint, some Q-Tip production...just lots of things really. I think people are calling it a miss at the Kanye level....like its a gold nugget, but the worst quality of gold nugget. I agree with what Dexo said whole heartedly and the sentiment that Kanye makes all classic albums, every album has at least a handful of songs that will always be classics. I can't think of any other rapper with that level of constant output. Nas had a TON of duds and Jay also had some duds and even on some of his more classic albums there are rows of skippable songs before the greats. I may be a minority in my opinion but my favorite Jay albums are Watch the Throne and Magna Carta and they are HEAVILY Ye influenced. 808's wasn't an amazing album but it was very creative and adventurous and pushed the envelope pretty far; best part is that like Dexo said there would be no MBDTF with out it! MBDTF is the best Ye album and my favorite album (even beats out Thriller), it has literally everything and the kitchen sink and will remain one of the most influential albums of our lifetimes. (The new Ye album if it's anything like ALL DAY is going to be loving great) temple posted:Rappers that have grown, maintained, or changed: Changed for the better or worse? There are some changed for the worst people on there for sure. My most improved goes to Royce though, he's come a long way. Biggest fall off HAS to be Busta....what the hell happened to him?
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temple posted:Rappers that have grown, maintained, or changed: every single one of these dudes are worse now and far from their heydey, with the exception of e-40 also lmao @ necro
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Feb 27, 2015 15:19
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cryme posted:also lmao @ necro lmao. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xFAkQtvk-Q
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in all seriousness tho diamond, talib and redman been around. getting better is a different argument but they still got it keep the Hot 9 on me like ebro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSia53F0b8E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2ynhTscTCY ps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3m_9W8nLy4 TenaciousTomato fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Feb 27, 2015 |
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Feb 27, 2015 15:32
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cryme posted:every single one of these dudes are worse now and far from their heydey, with the exception of e-40 Necro still makes good music, it isn't as exciting as the first time you heard I Need Drugs but its decent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chkPAEa-3XU
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Aesop Rock almost fits the bill imo. I think Labor Days and Daylight are better than Bazooka Tooth but other than that I think every one of his albums has been better than the last. I guess a lot of people like Labor Days the best, though.
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Necro sucks dude. Maybe worst rap voice of all time.
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cryme posted:every single one of these dudes are worse now and far from their heydey, with the exception of e-40 temple posted:My point isn't that these rappers are making better music, it is that they have matured in some way or maintained. I think too many people treat rappers as disposable past their hype but I would say every one on that list has made decent music since 2000s.
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Previous Jesus posted:Aesop Rock almost fits the bill imo. I think Labor Days and Daylight are better than Bazooka Tooth but other than that I think every one of his albums has been better than the last. I guess a lot of people like Labor Days the best, though. That album he did with that Kimya girl or w/e her name is though is totally unforgivable and unlistenable. EATIN SHRIMP posted:Necro sucks dude. Maybe worst rap voice of all time. Also he just has the generic white dude rapper voice, underground edition. Same thing Eminem, Cage, Aes, etc have. alansmithee fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Feb 27, 2015 |
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Feb 27, 2015 16:16
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I dont see how Ghostface has changed literally at all
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alansmithee posted:Also he just has the generic white dude rapper voice, underground edition. Same thing Eminem, Cage, Aes, etc have. With a lisp
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the_american_dream posted:I dont see how Ghostface has changed literally at all he's easily one of the most consistent imo. 36 seasons and sour soul were both good.
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Feb 27, 2015 16:40
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EATIN SHRIMP posted:With a lisp C'mon man. He was hit by a car on his tricycle when he was 5, and cracked his head open when he was 6. That kind of early childhood trauma would easily lead to slight speech impediments.
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Feb 27, 2015 16:44
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Ghostface is still solid for a dude who's put out what, 3 albums in less than 2 years? None of which ended up being garbage at all, I thought
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alansmithee posted:C'mon man. He was hit by a car on his tricycle when he was 5, and cracked his head open when he was 6. That kind of early childhood trauma would easily lead to slight speech impediments. That sucks and all but my point still stands And to temple's list: Cam'ron is one of my favorites ever and even though I don't want to admit it he is waaaaashed. Mobb Deep to a lesser extent. Rap is still, and likely always will be, a young man's game for the most part unsurprisingly.
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Feb 27, 2015 17:13
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If we're gonna include underground I think Vinnie Paz has consistently gotten better with every album (both solo and JMT)
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Feb 27, 2015 17:16
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I feel like something happened to Method Man's voice/flow in 1997, and although he still put out classic albums and records after that he wasn't as ill as he was the first time you heard him. While we're talking about the old-school (and Necro), Kool G Rap literally hasn't changed at all since 1988, and I love him for it.
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Feb 27, 2015 23:57
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 uh, okay? what's going on, Fidel Young?
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Feb 28, 2015 00:03
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Can't wait until he drops Detox and then performs in Cuba 
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Feb 28, 2015 00:22
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Feb 28, 2015 00:43
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every kanye solo album is a classic, although ill grant his collab/label albums aren't. i still listen to 808s all the way through on a regular basis y'all just some haters
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Feb 28, 2015 00:46
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Not thinking all 6 of artists solo albums are classics =/= hater. Got it. Only on here and r/hiphopheads....
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Feb 28, 2015 00:49
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Feb 28, 2015 00:50
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thathonkey posted:Can't wait until he drops Detox and then performs in Cuba At this point he'll probably just buy Cuba.
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