Pinterest Mom posted:Would you like me to use it on someone else? I think Byers' suggestion of holding onto it for the time being is probably safest route. That said, if you feel reasonably sure that you have scum in your sights, then go ahead.
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Meinberg posted:I think Byers' suggestion of holding onto it for the time being is probably safest route. You think it's a good idea to use a vig on someone I'm "reasonably sure" is scum, knowing that we won't know if I hit correctly?
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Mar 3, 2015 00:54
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Pinterest Mom posted:You think it's a good idea to use a vig on someone I'm "reasonably sure" is scum, knowing that we won't know if I hit correctly? While information is the most useful resource to town, dead scum is a decent second best.
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Mar 3, 2015 00:56
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Although having said that, it occurs to me that the time when there is the least opportunity information cost is D1, so maybe it would be better to use it today. But on the other hand, you'd be the least certain of hitting scum the earlier you use it. It's a rough situation, for sure.
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Mar 3, 2015 00:59
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Rarity posted:How so? Day vig in a 15 person game given to town would be unbelievably unbalanced for scum, making it simultaneously a janitor fixes that problem, as PM just put it: Pinterest Mom posted:You think it's a good idea to use a vig on someone I'm "reasonably sure" is scum, knowing that we won't know if I hit correctly? Meinberg, there is no reason to use it.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:00
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Meinberg, since you're around, what do you think about literally any player.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:00
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Meinberg posted:Although having said that, it occurs to me that the time when there is the least opportunity information cost is D1, so maybe it would be better to use it today. But on the other hand, you'd be the least certain of hitting scum the earlier you use it. It's a rough situation, for sure. what
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Mar 3, 2015 01:03
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Max posted:Meinberg, since you're around, what do you think about literally any player. I'm still feeling somewhat cautious about PMom. I'm not entirely sure that he actually has the vig, and his defense of Rarity was way too vehement. I'm liking Capps and Byers, the latter for actually putting in (for him) an effort at being clear and communicative, and the latter for choosing to proceed with the day event. I'm kinda iffy on Rarity, and I'm starting to feel more ambivalent towards you. Byers2142 posted:I've got gut leaning GG right now. There's no desire to find scum in his posts at all. I agree with Byers on this.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:04
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Byers2142 posted:what Information is a resource in Mafia. The janitored vig costs us the information the information we would have gotten from that player's flip. The earlier in the game, the less information that is revealed by a flip. However, the earlier in the game, the less the odds of hitting scum.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:06
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Meinberg posted:I'm still feeling somewhat cautious about PMom. I'm not entirely sure that he actually has the vig, and his defense of Rarity was way too vehement. Do you feel OK leaving your vote on me, still?
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Mar 3, 2015 01:06
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And what are your thoughts on GG?
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Mar 3, 2015 01:07
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Meinberg posted:Information is a resource in Mafia. The janitored vig costs us the information the information we would have gotten from that player's flip. The earlier in the game, the less information that is revealed by a flip. However, the earlier in the game, the less the odds of hitting scum. Those are both bad things though! I understand what you're saying about opportunity cost, but the alternative is losing zero information.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:07
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Meinberg posted:I'm liking Capps and Byers, the latter for actually putting in (for him) an effort at being clear and communicative, and the latter for choosing to proceed with the day event. Hold on, who is who in this sentence, you said the latter twice. I have no idea how someone could defend capps.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:08
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If you are saying capps is being clear and communicative, then I don't know what to say to that.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:09
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Meinberg posted:I'm still feeling somewhat cautious about PMom. I'm not entirely sure that he actually has the vig, and his defense of Rarity was way too vehement. To be clear, are you positing a PMom/Rar scum team, or just saying that my defense of her was artificial?
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Mar 3, 2015 01:09
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Meinberg posted:Information is a resource in Mafia. The janitored vig costs us the information the information we would have gotten from that player's flip. The earlier in the game, the less information that is revealed by a flip. However, the earlier in the game, the less the odds of hitting scum. We arguably get more information from D1, which is why no lynching on D1 puts town behind the 8 ball. Now you're suggesting we likely mislynch while still suffering the lack of information to work with from a no lynch?
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Mar 3, 2015 01:09
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Max posted:If you are saying capps is being clear and communicative, then I don't know what to say to that. qft
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Mar 3, 2015 01:10
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I appreciate and enjoy playing with capps. The way he hounds people is really effective at getting them to trip up. There's a lot of bullshit to wade through, but that's fine~
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Mar 3, 2015 01:11
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Pinterest Mom posted:I appreciate and enjoy playing with capps. The way he hounds people is really effective at getting them to trip up. There's a lot of bullshit to wade through, but that's fine~ Let's agree to strongly disagree.
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##unvote Let me start by saying that it's late for me, so I might be as clear as I might otherwise be. Max posted:Hold on, who is who in this sentence, you said the latter twice. I have no idea how someone could defend capps. I mean that capps is being relatively clear and communicative. Pinterest Mom posted:Those are both bad things though! It's about the balance between the risks and the opportunities. A dead scum is a plus for the town, even if we don't know they're scum. Pinterest Mom posted:To be clear, are you positing a PMom/Rar scum team, or just saying that my defense of her was artificial? The latter. Rarity could be either scum or town and your behavior would still seem suspicious to me. Byers2142 posted:We arguably get more information from D1, which is why no lynching on D1 puts town behind the 8 ball. Now you're suggesting we likely mislynch while still suffering the lack of information to work with from a no lynch? This is a good point, and I will say that no lynching on D1 is a terrible idea. I'd make a more detailed argument about the importance of information on D1, but I think that'd lead me into tangential areas of discussion.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:15
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So given Rarity's schedule, I'd like a clear choice for a lynch. I'm a little annoyed that DbD isn't around and just left a vote on me, but he gave a reason. capps wandering off isn't so great, and I'd like to do this before other people need to leave as well.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:17
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And I think this current Meinberg thing is distracting at the moment.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:18
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Max posted:Day vig in a 15 person game given to town would be unbelievably unbalanced for scum, making it simultaneously a janitor fixes that problem, as PM just put it: Day vigs for town are common cause they hit town way more often than scum. Meinberg, please show examples of capps being clear and communicative.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:18
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I think EXAKT and Amni are also good dunk candidates: Exakt has only one opinion (Max is scum), and has layers of bullshit obscuring his posting and Amni hasn't engaged at all.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:21
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Max posted:If two words are going to take me out day 1 then I don't know man. EXAKT Science posted:Look at the exasperation that he is being pushed. I can understand frustration at being accused, believe me as a lawyer it's something I see nearly every day of my life, but then he tries to pivot, to cast aspersions upon Mr. Everest while still not committing to anything material, as though he doesn't want to be wrong, or to be caught in a lie
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Mar 3, 2015 01:24
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Mafia is not as fun to play minus a computer. I think Amni is bad because they asked me a question and then never acknowledged me again. Boo amni.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:24
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I'd rather go for GG than Exakt
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Mar 3, 2015 01:25
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Also its hilarious that dbd is still mad I go to see cool movies.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:25
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Oh, gee, yeah DBD is really bad too. Would vote. Like half his posts are "Dr. Hurt said he would go to the movies??!"
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Mar 3, 2015 01:27
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Who is here and wants to see something cool??
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Mar 3, 2015 01:27
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Max posted:I'd rather go for GG than Exakt Exakt?
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Byers2142 posted:Exakt? I think Exakt might be a badguy based on his logic making no sense to me. Read the post I quoted and tell me where he got "as though he doesn't want to be wrong, or to be caught in a lie" from.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:29
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Dr. Hurt posted:Who is here and wants to see something cool?? me.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:30
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Here I am I'm reading since I last posted.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:32
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I am making dinner and watching Breaking Bad (4 more episodes!!!!!) but I'm around from now until deadline.
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Mar 3, 2015 01:33
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Sloane took a long drag from one of her many flasks. Old Tom #5, the finest booze one could get five hundred miles from anything that passed for decent civilization. Hey. Hey assholrs. Wanna shee somethin neat?? Check thisssss out. with the patience of a handful of drunken duels, Sloane slowly maneuvers her buffalo rifle into what passes for a shooting position. ##shoot Amni
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Cheers!!
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(I PMed E+, hopefully he comes around to resolve this soon.)
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Pinterest Mom posted:(I PMed E+, hopefully he comes around to resolve this soon.) You mean sombrero??
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