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Edward Snowden has apparently realized Putin's Russia isn't the free market paradise he hoped for and has announced he is "ready to return to the States" and stand trial, provided it is a "legal and impartial trial" - as in, not tried under the Espionage Act or in any of the secret courts that have sprung up in the last 15 years. So far the US position is they won't seek the death penalty.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Don't have to paint it as anti-semetic, it is anti-semetic. You use old, rich, and racist as descriptors for jews and go on to say they're kingmakers. If you don't see how this fits into anti-semitic rhetoric of jewish bankers influencing policy to get their way and controlling the media, there is nothing to discuss with you. You don't belong in any position of authority in America, and fortunately, your ilk are not represented in serious policy circles. Youre still projecting too much but you've got the loop near down pat.
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Venom Snake posted:wow do you call people who say Ben Carson is a shithead racist to? They don't say 'noted black shithead, Ben Carson', they say 'noted shithead, Ben Carson.' His skin color is not pertinant to his being a shithead.
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Fried Chicken posted:Edward Snowden has apparently realized Putin's Russia isn't the free market paradise he hoped for and has announced he is "ready to return to the States" and stand trial, provided it is a "legal and impartial trial" - as in, not tried under the Espionage Act or in any of the secret courts that have sprung up in the last 15 years. I can't believe Snowden went over there thinking that's what it was gonna be like.
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Mar 3, 2015 19:36
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lookoutbelow posted:Nice news dump. Signed the deal on Feb. 23? http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/03/03/390443553/petraeus-enters-into-plea-agreement-on-criminal-charge What does anyone other than Petraeus gain from that deal? No jail time and a reduced fine - seems like giving away government secrets is pretty consequence free. Oh, wait... Fried Chicken posted:Edward Snowden has apparently realized Putin's Russia isn't the free market paradise he hoped for and has announced he is "ready to return to the States" and stand trial, provided it is a "legal and impartial trial" - as in, not tried under the Espionage Act or in any of the secret courts that have sprung up in the last 15 years. Nonsense posted:Because the Black Caucus is filled with "stupid clucks" all elected by stupid clucks in their black hell hole districts, also it is not racist to hope they are hanged for OUR PRIME MINISTER TO SEE!!! - a literal crazy woman allowed on radio richardfun posted:
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Fried Chicken posted:Edward Snowden has apparently realized Putin's Russia isn't the free market paradise he hoped for and has announced he is "ready to return to the States" and stand trial, provided it is a "legal and impartial trial" - as in, not tried under the Espionage Act or in any of the secret courts that have sprung up in the last 15 years. He's better off in Russia
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noted dumbass and dowsing rod for terrible investments Sheldon Adelson
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Rexicon1 posted:you're the best at what you do mate, cheers Seriously, having him on ignore is juuuust right, because I don't see all of his poo poo, just a little here and there where people quote him, and then it reminds me that I made the right decision. Israel done hosed up by conflating the idea of antisemitism and the idea of Zionism. They did it themselves, with the help of their American toadies. If I can't criticize the actions of a genocidal, nuclear-armed, and aggressive state for their political actions without being called an antisemite, then they've literally tied their culture, religion, and ethnicity to objectively horrible policies. Nobody should ever want to do that. Sheldon Adelson is a Zionist. I oppose Zionism based upon the actions Israel has committed in the name of Zionism.
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Mar 3, 2015 19:37
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My Imaginary GF posted:They don't say 'noted black shithead, Ben Carson', they say 'noted shithead, Ben Carson.' His skin color is not pertinant to his being a shithead.
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Mar 3, 2015 19:37
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gently caress Sheldon Adelson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oSAPMYTuss
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Mar 3, 2015 19:38
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Rexicon1 posted:I can't believe Snowden went over there thinking that's what it was gonna be like. I get the impression he had an idea of what it was like, but didn't expect the wars, assassinations, and economic crunch that have come to pass since. The view I ascribed to him s one I've seen pitched by similar libertarians though. Not that he was overwhelmed for choices of where to run
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Mar 3, 2015 19:39
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Trabisnikof posted:There's a reason you don't get in a fight the ADL. And that reason isn't their logical arguments. Is that what they do? Huh things are starting to make a tad more sense. Fried Chicken posted:Edward Snowden has apparently realized Putin's Russia isn't the free market paradise he hoped for and has announced he is "ready to return to the States" and stand trial, provided it is a "legal and impartial trial" - as in, not tried under the Espionage Act or in any of the secret courts that have sprung up in the last 15 years. Are you being facetious or something or do you have a source? Pretty sure his destination wasn't Russia.
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Fried Chicken posted:I get the impression he had an idea of what it was like, but didn't expect the wars, assassinations, and economic crunch that have come to pass since. The view I ascribed to him s one I've seen pitched by similar libertarians though. Wait, assassinations??
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Mar 3, 2015 19:40
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I guess Russia is even worse than I thought if some dude is willing to risk what the US does to government whistle blowers..
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Mar 3, 2015 19:40
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Mar 3, 2015 19:41
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Rexicon1 posted:Wait, assassinations?? An opposition leader recently tripped and fell on a bullet near the Kremlin.
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Mar 3, 2015 19:41
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My Imaginary GF posted:Don't have to paint it as anti-semetic, it is anti-semetic. You use old, rich, and racist as descriptors for jews and go on to say they're kingmakers. If you don't see how this fits into anti-semitic rhetoric of jewish bankers influencing policy to get their way and controlling the media, there is nothing to discuss with you. You don't belong in any position of authority in America, and fortunately, your ilk are not represented in serious policy circles. AIPAC exists and is a massively influential lobbying arm of rich American Jewish folks for Pro-Israeli foreign policy. Refusing to pretend it doesn't exist does not make someone "Anti-Semetic".
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Mar 3, 2015 19:41
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Source for Fried Chicken's info.
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Zeitgueist posted:An opposition leader recently tripped and fell on a bullet near the Kremlin. Accidents happen every day. What makes you think it was assassination?
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Mar 3, 2015 19:42
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It"s not anti-semitism if you only hate the rich and powerful Jews.
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Mar 3, 2015 19:42
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Fried Chicken posted:Edward Snowden has apparently realized Putin's Russia isn't the free market paradise he hoped for and has announced he is "ready to return to the States" and stand trial, provided it is a "legal and impartial trial" - as in, not tried under the Espionage Act or in any of the secret courts that have sprung up in the last 15 years. If Snowden thinks that he can live in the US as a free man without doing 40 years in a federal prison first, then he's not living in the same reality as the rest of us.
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Mar 3, 2015 19:43
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Meg From Family Guy posted:It"s not anti-semitism if you only hate the rich and powerful Jews. i have a jewish friend!
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Mar 3, 2015 19:44
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can't we just say "gently caress the american Zionist lobby" don't matter whether they're joows or evangelicals who need muslims to be wiped from the earth so that the Temple can be rebuilt, ushering in the End Times. Or what
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Gravel Gravy posted:
What are you talking about, he's been in Russia for years. Are you thinking of Assange maybe? http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/edward-snowden-wants-to-return-us-115697.html Rexicon1 posted:Wait, assassinations?? Boris Nemtsov getting rubbed out on Friday? Gravel Gravy posted:Accidents happen every day. What makes you think it was assassination? He was an opposition leader critical of Putin, the security cameras were all turned off for "maintenance" when it happened, it happened a stones throw away from the Kremlin, his apartment was ransacked immediately after it went down...
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Mar 3, 2015 19:48
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I'm glad that Snowden is returning to face the music. What he did is illegal. I hope he's tried and sentenced. And then, I hope Obama pardons him. I won't hold my breath on the last bit.
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Mar 3, 2015 19:50
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Fried Chicken posted:Not that he was overwhelmed for choices of where to run Especially since he was on his way to another country when the USA canceled his passport.
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Zeitgueist posted:I guess Russia is even worse than I thought if some dude is willing to risk what the US does to government whistle blowers.. Giving laptops full of classified data to Glenn Greenwald isn't whistle blowing though
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Zeroisanumber posted:If Snowden thinks that he can live in the US as a free man without doing 40 years in a federal prison first, then he's not living in the same reality as the rest of us. Petraeus just pled guilty to sharing classified information, wonder how much jail time he'll get.
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Meg From Family Guy posted:It"s not anti-semitism if you only hate the rich and powerful Jews. It's not about them being rich and powerful, its about them using that wealth and influence to support an colonialist apartheid regime.
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Mar 3, 2015 19:51
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Fried Chicken posted:
Holy gently caress how did I miss this.
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Talmonis posted:I'm glad that Snowden is returning to face the music. What he did is illegal. I hope he's tried and sentenced. And then, I hope Obama pardons him. I won't hold my breath on the last bit. The Dem leadership's stances on whistleblowers is the biggest elephant in the liberal room and nobody talks about it so long as you throw enough money at poor people.
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Mar 3, 2015 19:52
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Fried Chicken posted:What are you talking about, he's been in Russia for years. Are you thinking of Assange maybe? His original goal was to get to an Latin American state with less a history of compliance with US extradition requests. Since there were so many hurtles in between him and a direct route their he opted for the around the world package. While in an airport near Moscow his passport was revoked and he was stranded for a month until Russia granted him asylum. He didn't arrive there because of some perceived Russian virtue, it was just a matter of convenience. Fried Chicken posted:He was an opposition leader critical of Putin, the security cameras were all turned off for "maintenance" when it happened, it happened a stones throw away from the Kremlin, his apartment was ransacked immediately after it went down... Thought we were referencing Hot Fuzz.
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PupsOfWar posted:can't we just say "gently caress the american Zionist lobby" How about gently caress rich Republican donors? Or just gently caress the obscenely rich?
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Rygar201 posted:Giving laptops full of classified data to Glenn Greenwald isn't whistle blowing though sure it is, but it is also treason, that's how we treat whistleblowers either way dude is going to American Jail for a long time, and that's not a good place to be
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Mar 3, 2015 19:53
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Amergin posted:The Dem leadership's stances on whistleblowers is the biggest elephant in the liberal room and nobody talks about it so long as you throw enough money at poor people. Its too late to help someone in poverty by the time they're in poverty, Amergin. Far better to throw money at the middle class.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Its too late to help someone in poverty by the time they're in poverty, Amergin. Far better to throw money at the middle class. The middle class doesn't spend their money any wiser. The only difference between the middle class and lower class is the middle sits at a desk and lives in the burbs while the lower stands at the drive-through window and lives in a trailer park or ghetto apartment.
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greatn posted:Petraeus just pled guilty to sharing classified information, wonder how much jail time he'll get. None. But he also wasn't charged under the Espionage Act, and his real punishment is being barred from the high halls of power. Amergin posted:The middle class doesn't spend their money any wiser. The only difference between the middle class and lower class is the middle sits at a desk and lives in the burbs while the lower stands at the drive-through window and lives in a trailer park or ghetto apartment. I wouldn't say that that's true. Middle class investments tend to be smaller-scale, but they definitely sock away more money than people living hand to mouth while working at McD's.
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Amergin posted:The Dem leadership's stances on whistleblowers is the biggest elephant in the liberal room and nobody talks about it so long as you throw enough money at poor people. And yet, here we are. Talking about it. Which we do consistantly, right here in these monthly threads. Regardless of Zeitgeist's eye rolling hyperbole, he's drat lucky he wasn't Russian. He'd be dead by now, like anyone who criticizes Putin and makes too much noise.
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Amergin posted:The middle class doesn't spend their money any wiser. The only difference between the middle class and lower class is the middle sits at a desk and lives in the burbs while the lower stands at the drive-through window and lives in a trailer park or ghetto apartment. How was giving a speech in front of congress?
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