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I like origins because it actually has boss fights that are worth a drat. Arkham city and asylum both had lovely boss fights.
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blackguy32 posted:I like origins because it actually has boss fights that are worth a drat. Arkham city and asylum both had lovely boss fights. I thought it did the new enemy types well and mixed them up so that encounters were more interesting overall. Also making you actually learn to deal with weapons and isolating them from the pack instead of destroying them outright was kinda cool, even though a lot of people hated it since it either forced them to approach combat slightly different from City, or lose their combo. Outside of the bugs and upgrade decisions, it's a good game, just not as good as City.
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Mar 5, 2015 12:11
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Rocksteady have got to put the Batman thing to bed after this though. I'd like to see them tackle the fabled 'good Superman game' next. It must be possible...
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Mar 5, 2015 13:12
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Rocksteady have got to put the Batman thing to bed after this though. I'd like to see them tackle the fabled 'good Superman game' next. It must be possible... Shadow of Apokolips wasn't that bad, and Justice League Heroes was solid... that's about it though outside of the lego games.
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Mar 5, 2015 13:20
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MrJacobs posted:Outside of the bugs and upgrade decisions, it's a good game, just not as good as City. Basically this. Origins feels like an expansion pack in a lot of way. That is a problem for a $60 game but it doesn't make it bad on its own rights. For some reason opinions on the internet delve into "utterly unplayable poo poo" or "flawless game" without a middle ground and Origins is really heavily a middle ground. Taken on its own merits it would still be a good game, it just isn't as good as the ones that came before. At very least it's a bevy of new challenge rooms + some new enemy types for around $20 these days which is about what you'd pay for that in DLC.
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Mar 5, 2015 15:22
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I'm pretty sure Rocksteady has mentioned multiple times that Arkham Knight isn't just the last in the trilogy but their last Batman game. Which kinda makes me sad, but I suppose its important to negotiate that early into your publishing relationship - if not, you become those poor bastards at Neversoft who had to crank out Tony Hawk games year after year. I assume WB interactive will hand the keys to the franchise over to the montreal guys who did Origins - and we'll get a series of incremental improvements that don't really build or improve so much as extend the franchise's longevity. Eh, it could be worse.
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Mar 5, 2015 16:25
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I'll be shocked if we don't get a Deathstroke/Suicide Squad game by the Origins guys at some point.
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Mar 5, 2015 16:27
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I'm still waiting for a sequel to Urban Chaos: Riot Response, the greatest singleplayer FPS of all time. Urban Chaos was also written better than Origins, but then again everything is written better than Origins.
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Mar 5, 2015 16:46
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Not sure if this is new or not, but a bunch of games have just been announced for Linux. Arkham Knight will be coming to Linux in the fall.
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Mar 5, 2015 17:00
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Rocksteady have got to put the Batman thing to bed after this though. I'd like to see them tackle the fabled 'good Superman game' next. It must be possible... I want it ok
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Mar 5, 2015 18:08
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:I'm hoping this is what Superman's appearance in Arkham Knight is leading into.
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Mar 5, 2015 19:00
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Seems like something the gaming sites will spoil ASAP anyway, remember the Joker's fate being revealed by Kotaku for Arkham City a few months before the game came out? They put it right in the headline so there was no way for it to be avoided.  poptart_fairy posted:I'll be shocked if we don't get a Deathstroke/Suicide Squad game by the Origins guys at some point. I'm sure this will happen around when the Suicide Squad movie comes out, I think they said like 2018?
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Neo Rasa posted:Seems like something the gaming sites will spoil ASAP anyway, remember the Joker's fate being revealed by Kotaku for Arkham City a few months before the game came out? They put it right in the headline so there was no way for it to be avoided. I found Origins a decent enough game overall, but the bugs really annoyed me. Having been so good at combat in City due to how well designed it was, it felt weird to fail combos due to bugs or crap in the environment. Also, I wasn't as big on the story either. Returning to Blackgate bugged me. I really thought maybe I had finished with the damned Joker, and the game was doing something new by making Bane the big threat. But after Bane wrecks poo poo at the Batcave he just returns to the Joker as muscle. And I dunno, something always bugged me about the Joker's will being so great that he can turn an entire prison into a fully decorated murder dystopia in like an hour. Kinda makes it all feel pointless. "Well, he's in prison, so at least he isn't killing people for a while...GODDAMMIT!"
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Mar 5, 2015 19:21
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If there's one thing we can say about the Arkham games, it's that they fellate the Joker more than the thugs imply Harley does.
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Mar 5, 2015 19:26
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AlliedBiscuit posted:I found Origins a decent enough game overall, but the bugs really annoyed me. Having been so good at combat in City due to how well designed it was, it felt weird to fail combos due to bugs or crap in the environment. Also, I wasn't as big on the story either. Returning to Blackgate bugged me. I really thought maybe I had finished with the damned Joker, and the game was doing something new by making Bane the big threat. But after Bane wrecks poo poo at the Batcave he just returns to the Joker as muscle. And I dunno, something always bugged me about the Joker's will being so great that he can turn an entire prison into a fully decorated murder dystopia in like an hour. Kinda makes it all feel pointless. "Well, he's in prison, so at least he isn't killing people for a while...GODDAMMIT!" Overuse of the Joker was definitely Origins' biggest fault I agree. Especially with how all the game's marketing was hyper focused on Black Mask being the big bad, but he's barely there. It's going to make it even more frustrating when Arkham Knight turns out to have been Joker all along when this new game comes out, or Arkham is a random vigilante who is taken out like half an hour into the game and the Joker is the real big bad.
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Mar 5, 2015 19:28
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Nah, the main villain of Arkham Knight will be Scarecrow... in the sense that he'll spray Batman with a strain of Fear Gas that makes him hallucinate the Joker everywhere, with the Joker hallucination driving most of the plot and being far more of an antagonist. 
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Nah, the main villain of Arkham Knight will be Scarecrow... in the sense that he'll spray Batman with a strain of Fear Gas that makes him hallucinate the Joker everywhere, with the Joker hallucination driving most of the plot and being far more of an antagonist. Press the middle button to dodge.
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Mar 5, 2015 19:53
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Asylum was by far my favorite storyline but going back to it now I miss all the gameplay stuff they added in city. I hope we get a remastered version with all the cool stuff from city put into asylum.
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Jerusalem posted:Man I still remember how surprised and blown away I was by the Arkham Asylum demo back in... Jesus Christ, 2009? The fighting system was amazing, the predator section was cool, hell even the glitches were fun! As long as Knight perfects an engine, i'd be totally cool with annual £25 DLC "expansions" to them that told standalone 8 hour stories or something, but only if they keep getting great Batman comic writers in to create an interesting story.
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Kin posted:As long as Knight perfects an engine, i'd be totally cool with annual £25 DLC "expansions" to them that told standalone 8 hour stories or something, but only if they keep getting great Batman comic writers in to create an interesting story. Same. Storypack DLC would be amazing. They don't even have to take place in the city proper. Isolated stories like Asylum would be welcome.
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Kin posted:As long as Knight perfects an engine, i'd be totally cool with annual £25 DLC "expansions" to them that told standalone 8 hour stories or something, but only if they keep getting great Batman comic writers in to create an interesting story. I honestly thought they were going to do this at some point. I thought there was an interview with Kevin Conroy that hinted at episodic content. Imagine if they could release the episodes as standalone games for $10 or something.
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Mar 7, 2015 00:28
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He said something like that about Arkham City as I recall.
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AlliedBiscuit posted:I found Origins a decent enough game overall, but the bugs really annoyed me. Having been so good at combat in City due to how well designed it was, it felt weird to fail combos due to bugs or crap in the environment. Also, I wasn't as big on the story either. Returning to Blackgate bugged me. I really thought maybe I had finished with the damned Joker, and the game was doing something new by making Bane the big threat. But after Bane wrecks poo poo at the Batcave he just returns to the Joker as muscle. And I dunno, something always bugged me about the Joker's will being so great that he can turn an entire prison into a fully decorated murder dystopia in like an hour. Kinda makes it all feel pointless. "Well, he's in prison, so at least he isn't killing people for a while...GODDAMMIT!" Origins was apparently designed as a series of setpieces, with no particular thought about how it would translate into world design, or be integrated. That's part of why the railroad to the endgame starts so early, and why almost all buildings have only one entrance- the teams building each location were apparently kept largely separate.
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AlliedBiscuit posted:I found Origins a decent enough game overall, but the bugs really annoyed me. Having been so good at combat in City due to how well designed it was, it felt weird to fail combos due to bugs or crap in the environment. Also, I wasn't as big on the story either. Returning to Blackgate bugged me. I really thought maybe I had finished with the damned Joker, and the game was doing something new by making Bane the big threat. But after Bane wrecks poo poo at the Batcave he just returns to the Joker as muscle. And I dunno, something always bugged me about the Joker's will being so great that he can turn an entire prison into a fully decorated murder dystopia in like an hour. Kinda makes it all feel pointless. "Well, he's in prison, so at least he isn't killing people for a while...GODDAMMIT!" The thing I liked about that section story-wise was the fact that it's one of the interpretations of Batman that actually explains and acknowledges that Arkham Asylum's primary purpose isn't as a mental hospital, but a prison for criminals who are too dangerous or weird to be kept with the Blackgate crew. Anyway, the combat is the biggest issue for me as well. I definitely had a lot more trouble with it than I did with Arkham City, and not because it was more challenging in a fair way, but because it was glitchy and less well balanced. The other aspect that I wasn't a huge fan of was the fact that so many of the side missions were kinda similar in their "collect X many of Y" nature.
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Lechtansi posted:Asylum was by far my favorite storyline but going back to it now I miss all the gameplay stuff they added in city. City easily had far-improved gameplay (although some of the button-pressing combinations got a little ridiculous), but I don't think there's any argument that Asylum had a better story. City's storyline was a Jeph Loeb-esque "villain shows up, then another villain shows up, and then another villain shows up, and then yet another villain shows up, and oh hey here's another one" without any rhyme or reason. At least Origins had the excuse of putting out a bounty on Batman (until it was revealed to be just another Joker setup).
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The bounty plot was still a real thing, it just happened to be enacted by one of Batman's A-listers instead of a lame, bland villain.
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Yeah I don't get the love for Black mask. I'm as tired of Joker as the next guy but at least he's interesting. Black Mask is just a generic mobster.
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Black Mask is the villain you use if you want a really, really horrible thing to happen, but you don't want the person committing the atrocity to be quirky about it. He's just a creepy torture enthusiast.
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So this is going to be a thing and I'm a bit disappointed it's going to be a mobile game instead of the sprawling next-gen open world sandbox I've always dreamed of, but it's a step in the right direction. If it's good and popular, maybe they'll make a real game out of it?
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Mzbundifund posted:Yeah I don't get the love for Black mask. I'm as tired of Joker as the next guy but at least he's interesting. Black Mask is just a generic mobster. I actually asked this earlier in the thread and it came down to people not really liking BM, but just being sick of him being shoved to the side for another Joker plot.
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I'm just hoping for a Professor Pyg appearance, with the M rating they can get reallyyyy hosed up. But it's probably because Rocksteady is going to be really final about their ending the tour of Arkham with killing Batman in a tear-wrenching way that gets them the M rating - My own speculation I'm only basing on the things I've seen from playing Arkham.
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You know I really hate the New Game Pluses for the Arkham series so far. I really dislike that it disables the counter indicators. In itself it's not a big deal but to me, the combat itself isn't hard and you can just power your way through typically. Challenge is important in video games but I really wish I could turn it back on for the harder difficulties. To me the challenge for the arkham series of games isn't how I can lose in combat, but making combat as brutally efficient as possible. Because Batman.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:You know I really hate the New Game Pluses for the Arkham series so far. I really dislike that it disables the counter indicators. In itself it's not a big deal but to me, the combat itself isn't hard and you can just power your way through typically. Brutally efficient is not a good way, though perfectly viable, since that involves dropping your combo often to focus on the primary threat rather than bounce around dudes to keep the counter going. It is really fun though and makes you feel more like Batman than the normal system.
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poptart_fairy posted:I actually asked this earlier in the thread and it came down to people not really liking BM, but just being sick of him being shoved to the side for another Joker plot. Yeah I can understand this. I guess I just want a break from the joker AND a more interesting villain to replace him with. Fussy gamer ITT.
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quote:Yeah I can understand this. I guess I just want a break from the joker AND a more interesting villain to replace him with. You might want to try another superhero my friend.
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Mzbundifund posted:Yeah I can understand this. I guess I just want a break from the joker AND a more interesting villain to replace him with. Fussy gamer ITT. BM can be interesting, but like most mobster characters, it basically depends on how competent the writer makes them- especially in their interactions with other supervillains.
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Speaking of Joker, how do you goons feel about Endgame? I only ask because I really hope centuries old abomination Slenderjoker doesn't catch on in the games.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Speaking of Joker, how do you goons feel about Endgame? I feel like it might be the dumbest thing involving the Joker that I have ever seen in my entire life, and I have played Arkham City and read Death of the Family
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BM did get a bit of spotlight a few years back and organized some of Batman's other rogues into his gang. Aside from Joker there's only Ras and Bane who can manage to make the other crooks fall in line into a greater plot, even if they don't know it yet. Bane's basically mentally handicapped these days and Ras was already rolled into the Arkham City plot. BM seemed like a good fit to run the show in Origins but we know that exactly didn't pan out.
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