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Riso posted:There's at least four drivers claiming to have valid contracts with Sauber: I'm a sauber driver and so's my wife
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You insurance premiums say otherwise. (Sauber means clean)
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Mar 11, 2015 15:08
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noted fraud vettel got a new hair cut
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Mar 11, 2015 15:12
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Apparently he thinks the way to win the WDC is to copy Hamilton at absolutely everything I wonder when he'll get hair transplants
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Mar 11, 2015 15:13
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Professor Grumpy posted:Apparently he thinks the way to win the WDC is to copy Hamilton at absolutely everything As soon as Berlusconi will tell him where he got his.
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Mar 11, 2015 15:17
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I don't even think this spells the end for VDGs career even if he doesn't drive. Being willing to stick up for your legal obligations and win might look good to other people wanting to come on board to his pay driver sponsorship package and make him a more attractive driver to hire. It looks less "he bit the hand that feeds him" and more "this driver won't be scammed". gently caress Moeisha Kampinhorn or whatever her name is. GO Vdg!
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Mar 11, 2015 15:29
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no F1 team will ever, ever, ever go into business with vdg ever again, ever. although he is 29 and a pretty mediocre pay driver so that's probably what would have happened even without this situation.
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Mar 11, 2015 15:32
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Wouldn't you have said the same about Pastor Maldonado after he left Williams? The quality of a pay driver is expressed in only one thing: attracting sponsors money and turning it into a race drive. If he gets more money as a result of this from corporate sponsors and offers it to a team somebody will take it up.
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Mar 11, 2015 15:42
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 BREAKING NEWS: Sebastian Vettel has named his car "Eva".insert hitler jokes here I guess
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Mar 11, 2015 15:43
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MattD1zzl3 posted:Wouldn't you have said the same about Pastor Maldonado after he left Williams? The quality of a pay driver is expressed in only one thing: attracting sponsors money and turning it into a race drive. If he gets more money as a result of this from corporate sponsors and offers it to a team somebody will take it up. you mean pastor maldonado, F1 race winner and man who has never sued anyone?
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Mar 11, 2015 15:44
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if you cant get your money back because they dont and wont ever have it... may aswell get what you paid for
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Mar 11, 2015 15:46
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Doc Morbid posted:
Cause he's neva eva gonna win another race.
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Mar 11, 2015 15:53
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Doc Morbid posted:
He's just following in the footsteps of Michael Schumacher, who also left a Renault powered team for Ferrari and drove a Brawn.
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Mar 11, 2015 16:03
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Doc Morbid posted:
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Mar 11, 2015 16:06
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For those interested... The court ordered Sauber to give VDG a drive instead on of just paying out damages because the Swiss legal system is based on the Civil Law. (because on the continent, they use a real legal system, not the abortive afterbirth of a legal system you Anglo troglydytes call the common law). Civil law prefers specific performance as a remedy for breach of contract. The reasoning being, if money were the cause of contract, and an acceptable method of performance, then it would have been in the contract. Money damages are only awarded for breach when specific performance is impossible or overly impracticable. Back on topic... I don't have archives, but just wanted to point out I toxxed Merc WCC 2014 and LH WDC 2014 predictions when the news broke that Hamilton signed with Merc. Suck my poo poo you scrubs.
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Mar 11, 2015 16:24
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Mar 11, 2015 17:05
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Good for him.
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Mar 11, 2015 17:11
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For those of you coming down on VDG and acting like a lawsuit is somehow shameful or something credible people do not do. Are you not sick of contracts meaning nothing and teams ripping them up when it suits them? Vdg going on a lawsuit world tour at each round and getting each country to say "yes, our legal system agrees you were robbed"? We could in theory see an end to the BS teams and managers pull. Sauber and moeesha are the bad guys here, not a young guy who was taken advantage of. He should be able to go to any team he can afford without issue.
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Mar 11, 2015 17:17
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Oh no-one here (I don't think) believes he isn't in the right. We think though that he's in a dead end here. In a sport demanding absolute commitment, he's asking the court to force people who hate him to run him. He's going to get a poo poo car (more so) and only the most desperate of race team will ever touch him again.
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Mar 11, 2015 17:21
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be nice wicka posted:no F1 team will ever, ever, ever go into business with vdg ever again, ever. although he is 29 and a pretty mediocre pay driver so that's probably what would have happened even without this situation. No motorsport team will ever try to gently caress VDG over a contract again. What message does it send to his other employers (outside of F1, say, WEC or whatever) if he just lets another team breach contract with him?
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Mar 11, 2015 17:28
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Alain Post posted:No motorsport team will ever try to gently caress VDG over a contract again. What message does it send to his other employers if he just lets another team breach contract with him? Not only that, but if he's already paid for the drive, they've stolen from him. I'm surprised the police aren't involved.
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Mar 11, 2015 17:29
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And VDG's father-in-law is a billionaire businessman. He might very well just buy into a team to secure a ride for him. http://www.grandprix247.com/2013/10/16/van-der-gardes-billionaire-future-father-in-law-eyes-williams/
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Mar 11, 2015 17:30
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guys, he has no chance at an F1 seat ever again, period. anyone who doesn't realize that fact is insane.
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Mar 11, 2015 17:32
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Well maybe he won't, because he's poor. But lmao @ the idea that a pay-driver with shitloads of financial backing is going to become unemployable because he had the temerity to do something about his employer breaching contract.
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Mar 11, 2015 17:33
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Alain Post posted:Well maybe he won't, because he's poor. But lmao @ the idea that a pay-driver with shitloads of financial backing is going to become unemployable because he had the temerity to do something about his employer breaching contract. you can't be this stupid
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Mar 11, 2015 17:34
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be nice wicka posted:you can't be this stupid You're the one seeing a company with no money and deciding to blame the creditors.
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Mar 11, 2015 17:35
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George Zimmer posted:Can whoever is doing Red Bull please include this forgotten gem: I keep forgeting the race is actually this weekend  but yeah, im supposed to do Red Bull and it wont be funny or good or on time. so anyone else please feel free to do it
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Mar 11, 2015 17:36
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Alain Post posted:Well maybe he won't, because he's poor. But lmao @ the idea that a pay-driver with shitloads of financial backing is going to become unemployable because he had the temerity to do something about his employer breaching contract. An Indycar drive awaits.
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Mar 11, 2015 17:40
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George Zimmer posted:Can whoever is doing Red Bull please include this forgotten gem: is this tsaedje with one of his famous spreadsheets?
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Mar 11, 2015 17:41
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I'm beginning to get the impression that Sauber didn't think that something like this would happen.
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Mar 11, 2015 17:42
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How much did he pay to secure the drive?
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Mar 11, 2015 17:42
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I think I read something about 10 million GBP.
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Mar 11, 2015 17:45
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Alain Post posted:You're the one seeing a company with no money and deciding to blame the creditors. i already said vdg is clearly in the right you nitwit i'm simply stating the obvious and undeniable fact that no team is going to sign him after this fiasco, regardless of who is right and wrong
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Mar 11, 2015 17:48
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Man, McLaren are a bad team, what do you think wicka?
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Mar 11, 2015 17:51
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be nice wicka posted:i already said vdg is clearly in the right you nitwit i'm simply stating the obvious and undeniable fact that no team is going to sign him after this fiasco, regardless of who is right and wrong he has shitloads of money and clearly isn't going to be a problem if you don't do something like sign more drivers than you have seats? he's not pulling this lawsuit out of his rear end, he's doing it in response to something no team should be doing in the first place.
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Mar 11, 2015 17:51
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Jedit posted:He's just following in the footsteps of Michael Schumacher, who also left a Renault powered team for Ferrari and drove a Brawn. This deserves love. Regarding Sauber, having taken VDG's money last season to stay afloat and then presumably realised they needed more, they might have been wiser to talk to his rich backer themselves and ask for more in exchange for an interest in the team or something like that. Talking rich people into parting with their money with vague promises of some sort of return on it perhaps in a few years maybe is what Formula 1 does - even Richard Branson was suckered in to it. Taking someone's money as part of a legally watertight contract for a race seat and then ignoring them and taking someone else's money for the same is straight up illegal, and not the kind of illegal that people moan about for a bit and then it sort of goes away. It's also really loving stupid if you're a small team with no means of reimbursing them. Either they thought they could weasel out of the contract, or they brazenly never had any intention of upholding it. Bernie needs teams on the grid this season but it's probably too late for him to intervene now. His silence so far is quite telling.
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Mar 11, 2015 17:52
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Button once broke his contract with Williams to drive another year in a poo poo show Honda and had to pay millions to make it go away. He later became WDC and was able to move to McLaren. Show me where breaking his contract damaged Buttons career.
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Mar 11, 2015 17:54
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Right. The only teams that won't be interested in VDG's money will be teams that don't want to live up to their contracts and just want to scam his money.
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Mar 11, 2015 17:56
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Both sides are equally hateable. VDG has a billionaire father in law. I'm not exactly oozing with sympathy for his plight. On the other hand Sauber seems to be determined to out-caterham caterham in terms of making stupid decisions.
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POCKET CHOMP posted:Man, McLaren are a bad team, what do you think wicka? disagree, they are the worst team
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