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Ernie/rurea scum team ##vote Ernie
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Mar 12, 2015 18:11
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AnonymousNarcotics posted:Ernie/rurea scum team ugh hnghgh help
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Mar 12, 2015 18:11
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You still haven't addressed the logical leap to "SK" instead of "scum" on a night where there's only one night-kill. Also, if you had suspicions before, why didn't you lead with that instead of "Hmm hmm, town vigilante better claim, don't ask Betrayer to elaborate or explain". Get hosed, scumbo.
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Mar 12, 2015 18:19
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Ernie. posted:ugh 
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Mar 12, 2015 18:19
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Also, seriously, you're asking Rurea for help. This is second only in hopelessness to asking Stoic Commie for help, because that guy was the lurkiest lurker that ever lurked a lurk.
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Mar 12, 2015 18:20
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I am not at all sure who to believe
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Mar 12, 2015 18:22
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:Also, seriously, you're asking Rurea for help. Thanks?
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Mar 12, 2015 18:22
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:You still haven't addressed the logical leap to "SK" instead of "scum" on a night where there's only one night-kill. lol MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:Also, seriously, you're asking Rurea for help. lol Opopanax posted:I am not at all sure who to believe lol
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Mar 12, 2015 18:22
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Not responding to further scrutiny of the 'case', springing the 'case' later on once pressure is on him without further evidence, targeting the claimed bulletproof (and if we're assuming an SK like everyone seems to want to, there was a failed kill on Night 1), this isn't a Hail Mary.
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Mar 12, 2015 18:30
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:Not responding to further scrutiny of the 'case', springing the 'case' later on once pressure is on him without further evidence, targeting the claimed bulletproof (and if we're assuming an SK like everyone seems to want to, there was a failed kill on Night 1), this isn't a Hail Mary. lol so what's your explanation then, friend? did the seccond kill appear from a player not in the game?
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Mar 12, 2015 18:55
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Votecount for Day 3  Ernie. (3): CapitalistPig, MEDS CURE SCHIZOS (3): King Burgundy, Ernie., Rurea Opopanax (1): AnonymousNarcotics, MiltonSlavemasta, AnonymousNarcotics (1): Rurea, MEDS CURE SCHIZOS, CapitalistPig, Not Voting (2): Chic Trombone, MC Eating DisorderWith 10 alive, it's 6 votes to lynch. The current deadline is March 13th, 2015 at 10 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 1 day, 7 hours.
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Mar 12, 2015 19:09
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Ernie. posted:so what's your explanation then, friend? did the seccond kill appear from a player not in the game? The second kill came from someone in the game, sure. However, with nothing to go on but an unexpected nightkill, you jumped to the conclusion that I must be an SK rather than scum when a vigilante didn't claim. Nowhere in the "Well, Betrayer's an SK..." off-hand accusation that you made did you indicate 'scum'. The only reason you would jump to that conclusion is if you knew scum didn't perform the kill on Night 1. Anyone else would have said "scum".
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Mar 12, 2015 19:12
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:The second kill came from someone in the game, sure. yes because my action said 'copy' and 'kill' were the two things that happened to ninth and i withheld that information for long enough to see how you're acting, and let me tell you, it ain't pretty i specifically said the sk line to see how you'd react, it's nbd though, the fact that you're not saying 'yes my ability name is copy' seals your fate
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Mar 12, 2015 19:14
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if you weren't scum you would say 'well my ability's name isn't copy, let's kill ernie' or 'uhh yes my ability's name is copy, i wonder how ernie knew that, he must be telling the truth' the fact that your defense is 'lol well how does ernie know the scum kill didn't happen n1' is just flabbergasting - would you like to admit that you're the sk and you know it was your kill that went through, now?
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Mar 12, 2015 19:15
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Ernie. posted:yes because my action said 'copy' and 'kill' were the two things that happened to ninth Which doesn't distinguish "scum" or "SK" or "vigilante".
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Mar 12, 2015 19:16
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:Which doesn't distinguish "scum" or "SK" or "vigilante". Ernie. posted:i specifically said the sk line to see how you'd react
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Mar 12, 2015 19:17
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:Which doesn't distinguish "scum" or "SK" or "vigilante". But did you or did you not visit him?
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Mar 12, 2015 19:20
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like if your ability is what you said it was you would say 'no my ability's name is not copy', yeah? why go through the convoluted reasoning of 'HOW DO YOU KNOW IT'S THE SK KILL THAT WENT THROUGH N1' when i actually said nothing of the sort? i said two things: 1) I think you're the sk 2) Ninth had a kill visit him N1 (which everyone in the game knew) you connected the dots between those two, not me
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Mar 12, 2015 19:20
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Rurea posted:But did you or did you not visit him? Read the thread. And the "lol I said SK to see how you would react" is a laughable assertion. I'd be defending myself regardless if you said scum, but the fact that you said SK indicates a prior knowledge of the previous night's events.
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Mar 12, 2015 19:22
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Also why wouldn't MCS's "Bodyswap/bodyguard/body shield/" ability show up to ernie? Any reason you can think of ernie?
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Mar 12, 2015 19:22
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Rurea posted:Also why wouldn't MCS's "Bodyswap/bodyguard/body shield/" ability show up to ernie? it's because he was the kill
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Mar 12, 2015 19:23
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Ernie. posted:it's because he was the kill I realize that is the obvious explanation but I want to explore all the possibilities.
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Mar 12, 2015 19:26
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:Read the thread. again: don't dock the question if you're town with your ability why isn't your defense 'yes/no my ability's name is copy'? why is it 'ernie is scum because [extremely complicated wifom]' why isn't it 'everyone knows ninth died, and i already claimed my ability, ernie is making poo poo up since there are votes on him'? why isn't it any 1 out of 1000 logical things
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Mar 12, 2015 19:27
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:Read the thread. Also a simple yes or no would have done just fine. Now you just feel evasive
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Mar 12, 2015 19:27
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Rurea posted:I realize that is the obvious explanation but I want to explore all the possibilities. fyi i lied about my ability a little i don't find out what happens the night of the death to the corpse i find out all the abilities that have ever targeted the person, but ninth died n1, so i paraphrased
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Mar 12, 2015 19:28
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Ernie. posted:fyi i lied about my ability a little And in the interest of further damning MCS since he really does not want to explain himself, MY ability was the copy. I targeted TNL, copied his tracker, then tracked Ernie. Which told me Ernie targeted TNL. Which is why I asked him about the sixth sense thingy the next day.
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Mar 12, 2015 19:30
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Rurea posted:And in the interest of further damning MCS since he really does not want to explain himself, lol rip
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Mar 12, 2015 19:32
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This is the most interesting scum gambit I've seen in years.
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Mar 12, 2015 19:32
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now we just have to wait for opop to come back and say 'what if the entire thread is scum and mcs is tgown>? possibilities hmmmmm'
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Mar 12, 2015 19:33
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:This is the most interesting scum gambit I've seen in years. Do you normally talk about yourself like this?
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Mar 12, 2015 19:36
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Ok I believe in ernie now ##vote MCS
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Mar 12, 2015 19:37
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:This is the most interesting scum gambit I've seen in years. It peaked D1 and you got a surprising number of people to believe you, so yes!
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Mar 12, 2015 19:37
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Rurea posted:Do you normally talk about yourself like this? If this is me pulling a scum gambit, it's hilarious effective in my favor because I've successfully gotten two people whose powers are actually pretty weak, all things considered, to claim. If this is me pulling an SK gambit, it's a pretty loving weak one since either of you two getting lynched would drat me. If this is me pulling a very interesting town gambit because roleblockable bulletproof is a hilariously weak fake claim used to discourage nightkills against an actually valuable power role, I'm pretty ambivalent on the whole thing.
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Mar 12, 2015 19:38
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:If this is me pulling a scum gambit, it's hilarious effective in my favor because I've successfully gotten two people whose powers are actually pretty weak, all things considered, to claim. You've refused to answer my question yet. Now rurea has claimed the copy. You personally claimed to have visited Ninth. It counts as a visit, because my ability counts as a visit (i.e. I asked Kumba who visited Ninth and he was dead and it still worked out). I'm telling you right now, the only other person to ever visit Ninth other than Rurea killed him. You personally claimed to be this other person. Where did your ability go if it's not the kill? You weren't bus-driven, because Ninth died and you claimed to have targeted him.
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Mar 12, 2015 19:41
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It's way more likely that: You killed Ninth. Claimed it as part of an elaborate gambit to live on as confirmed town. You're probably scum because if you were the SK and truly believed I'm scum you wouldn't play as you have because you'd be afraid the scum would kill you tonight. Additionally, you wouldn't have played the way you did yesterday as an SK who knew the scum kill didn't take.
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Mar 12, 2015 19:44
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Ernie. posted:You've refused to answer my question yet. I'm not answering your question because it's complete bullshit. You're claiming a role even more hilariously convoluted than mine, which conveniently gives you no results. I'm fairly certain you'll pick one of the dead from last night and say "Well golly gee geepers, the only person who visited him was Betrayer, no further results!". So, let's do some analysis. Let's even assume for the sake of argument that I am the SK, and killing me stops any non-scum nightkills. 10 alive today. We can assume three scum in a game this size with an SK. We lynch me, 9. One person dies tomorrow night, 8. Tomorrow, you have no results other than "lol Betrayer did that kill too", someone else gets lynched. 7. One person dies that night. 6. At that point, it's LYLO if we assume three scum total. At this point, you can claim results on whoever. Town lynches incorrectly, you're down to 5. Last scum nightkill puts it at 4, which scum win because they equal the number of townspeople left. This is why I don't buy it. You're claiming a role which allows you to comfortably coast to the endgame by not having any actual results. Hell, having Rurea claim as well puts you both as magically town who caught the SK.
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Mar 12, 2015 19:48
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:I'm not answering your question because it's complete bullshit. am i allowed to quote this back at you? and again, you've got this wrong. if literally anyone targeted ninth other than you and rurea, they can disprove this right now. and i'm saying i can keep doing this for the rest of the game. that's pretty ballsy of me.
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Mar 12, 2015 19:50
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This is, of course, assuming that I am the SK. If I'm not, then you're risking one scum to kill the bulletproof that you wouldn't be able to get rid of otherwise. So, I'll leave it up to everyone else. Am I the SK that scum are willing to sacrifice at least one of themselves to get rid of? Am I scum that just magically exposed two marginally useful power roles that would enable me to get rid of actual roles? Go ahead. Lynch me. I will remind everyone there ain't no goddamn reinforcements. Not that I breadcrumb.
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Mar 12, 2015 19:51
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Ernie. posted:if literally anyone targeted ninth other than you and rurea, they can disprove this right now. Why would they? They'd open themselves up for scrutiny for killing him.
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Mar 12, 2015 19:52
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MEDS CURE SCHIZOS posted:Why would they? They'd open themselves up for scrutiny for killing him. i have to hand it to you, i'm impressed with how well you're arguing against this from multiple angles relentlessly. if i were in your position i would have honestly barraged me with a ton of angry words to get me to back down. again: you said you visited ninth, yes? i'm saying two people visited him. rurea says he's the copy. rurea also says he can confirm i visited ninth. why are you voting me? shouldn't the logical step be that if you can prove rurea is lying, then you can prove i'm lying?
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Mar 12, 2015 19:54
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