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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:I think the major problem people should have with the game's story is America didn't nuke the world after San Fransisco. Like come on, there's no way we'd just let that happen without MAD. There's no way of knowing Americas nuclear capability in the HM universe. If Russia were able to invade Hawaii it implies they don''t have any nukes.
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Koburn posted:There's no way of knowing Americas nuclear capability in the HM universe. If Russia were able to invade Hawaii it implies they don''t have any nukes. So I'm taking it that like Russia won the Sino-Japanese war or something? Or that Japan didn't participate in WWII? Like come on, there's too much speculation and not enough explanation for something like this. Why is America such a pussy in this game?
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Mar 18, 2015 18:30
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:Uhhhh that's pretty much exactly what happens though? Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Problem is we don't see it, so it's only implied. But considering my previous grievance, I highly doubt that happens. Yeah, that's my problem. So the US Didn't nuke Russia after San Fran, but they do after Miami?  Whats the big difference there?Or is it that Russia nukes the US but Russia gets to live on afterwards as the winners of the Cold War? But if the US didn't have nukes, why didn't they just invade us Red Dawn style to begin with??? Why the coalition? None of this adds up.  I think having a level where you play as the commander and Assassinate the leaders Would have been REALLY good, both for the level design opportunities there (tons of bodyguards, maybe some civilians) and for how it would have filled-in the plot narrative a little, rather than leaving it heavily implied. Although I guess that's HM's style.
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Mar 18, 2015 18:31
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Problem is we don't see it, so it's only implied. But considering my previous grievance, I highly doubt that happens. Both Miami (Everyone) and Hawaii (Richter and his mom) get nuked, which implies that a lot more than one state get blown up
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Mar 18, 2015 18:35
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:So I'm taking it that like Russia won the Sino-Japanese war or something? Or that Japan didn't participate in WWII? Like come on, there's too much speculation and not enough explanation for something like this. 
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Mar 18, 2015 18:35
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Improbable Lobster posted:Hotline Miami is a prequel to the upcoming Hotline New Vegas I would probably pay for DLC that put This Machine or A Light Shining In Darkness in the game.
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Mar 18, 2015 18:36
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Improbable Lobster posted:Both Miami (Everyone) and Hawaii (Richter and his mom) get nuked, which implies that a lot more than one state get blown up So was it the US, or the wold world? See you don't even know, its "implied", and neither is really consistent with the game's plot. So... problem. Anime Schoolgirl posted:Operation: Snake Eater failed and the Philosopher's Legacy was not secured by the Patriots The La Li Lu Le Lo?!? 
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Mar 18, 2015 18:37
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I asked before, but is the San Francisco bombing from the comics or something? I saw absolutely no reference to it in the game.
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Mar 18, 2015 18:38
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^  Zaphod42 posted:So was it the US, or the wold world? How is it a problem that the game only shows us the outcome of the areas relevant to the plot? It wouldn't change anything if the entire world got nuked, or if literally only richter's hawaii beach house and Miami got nuked. Everyone involved in the plot who was still alive died. Sorry they didn't zoom out and show the whole world being bathed in nuclear fire while fading to grey and saying BUT THE FUTURE REFUSED TO CHANGE.
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Mar 18, 2015 18:40
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moths posted:I asked before, but is the San Francisco bombing from the comics or something? I saw absolutely no reference to it in the game. It's in one of the newspapers you can read during between-mission segments, I think it's before the subway mission.
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Mar 18, 2015 18:41
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Improbable Lobster posted:Hotline Miami is a prequel to the upcoming Hotline New Vegas Dennaton says: Windows are out. Literally. Walls, too. Thought the level design was open before? See how you like it on the desert. The most common form cover are cactus patches that you can kill yourself on because the Russians poisoned the land with a mystery drug that made everything killer. It turns out you were working for NotMonsanto all along. The game finally answers what the crazy drugs in Hotline 2 are, even though it doesn't actually matter to the story at all. Violence continues to be a bad thing. Hotline 2 is retconned by 3 even though it's a prequel. Players mull over the meaning of so many cacti in the desert for way too long because one of the devs is called "Cactus."
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Mar 18, 2015 18:41
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moths posted:I asked before, but is the San Francisco bombing from the comics or something? I saw absolutely no reference to it in the game. Beard makes reference to it in HLM1 "Somethings not right, I haven't felt this way since San Fransisco." and it was referenced in Jake's comic "Never again! Not another San Fransisco!"
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Mar 18, 2015 18:42
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And you watch it happen while you are playing HLM2. You walk outside of the store as Beard and get loving nuked. How could people miss that? It doesn't just get referenced, it's something you directly witness!
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Mar 18, 2015 18:43
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Geight posted:And you watch it happen while you are playing HLM2. You walk outside of the store as Beard and get loving nuked. How could people miss that? People seem to get it mixed together with the two other nukes. Also, I think he was asking about everything not game related.
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Mar 18, 2015 18:45
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moths posted:I asked before, but is the San Francisco bombing from the comics or something? I saw absolutely no reference to it in the game. Way at the end of the ending to Casualties it time skips to the Soldier, who's living in San Francisco and shows that he, and the rest of the city get nuked
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Mar 18, 2015 18:46
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 As always, Richard knows whats up. Erata posted:Dennaton says: Windows are out. Literally. Walls, too. Thought the level design was open before? See how you like it on the desert. The most common form cover are cactus patches that you can kill yourself on because the Russians poisoned the land with a mystery drug that made everything killer. It turns out you were working for NotMonsanto all along. This sounds great, as long as it looks like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5pR5ktDwts
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Mar 18, 2015 18:47
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:People seem to get it mixed together with the two other nukes. Also, I think he was asking about everything not game related. But there was also absolutely no reference to it in the game, apparently.
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Mar 18, 2015 18:48
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The cover art for this game is Beard watching the bomb go off
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Mar 18, 2015 18:49
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Orange Crush Rush posted:The cover art for this game is Beard watching the bomb go off There's so many cool things about it that I am legitimately annoyed that somebody could manage to miss all of them.
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Mar 18, 2015 18:54
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anyone have tips for the third part of dead ahead hard mode?
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Mar 18, 2015 18:54
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah, that's my problem. So the US Didn't nuke Russia after San Fran, but they do after Miami? The problem with the scenario you're proposing is that it goes against the entire message of the game: Nothing matters, enjoy it while you can. The only thing of any real consequence that you take part in in the game are the Hawaii missions, and even then that's merely because of the genesis of 50 Blessings and you didn't really have anything to do with that. Absolutely everything else is pointless. There is no rhyme or reason to what happens. The most powerful decisions in the game being entirely out of your control is one of the neat things about the game, imo. It's a nice contrast to other games where the world literally hinges on you being the chosen one etc.
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Mar 18, 2015 18:56
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Geight posted:There's so many cool things about it that I am legitimately annoyed that somebody could manage to miss all of them. Between this latest conversation and dudes like Discendo Vox it's kind of depressing to think that there are people dense enough to interpret relatively simple stories this badly.
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Mar 18, 2015 18:57
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Also given that America lost the war in Hawaii and a criminal used it as a safe haven bets are that Hawaii is no longer owned by America in the HM universe. So Hawaii is getting blown up by an American nuke while the Ruskies are nuking Maimi. It's likely that everyone is getting nuked if you assume this.
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Mar 18, 2015 18:57
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nm its the 4th part.
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Mar 18, 2015 18:58
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Ddraig posted:The problem with the scenario you're proposing is that it goes against the entire message of the game: Nothing matters, enjoy it while you can. Complete Nihilism, yeah. Its just that... nihilism is so unsatisfying. "Whats the game's meaning? There is none!" just isn't as satisfying as if it had more of a message. The first game seems pretty self-aware, lulling you into a violent videogame and then using meta to make you analyze why you play violent games and what games even mean or are. The second game just kinda adds more, has some cool story, and then goes out singing "nothing really matters... anyone can see, nothing really matters to meeeeeeeeeeee" Drop mike, nuke goes off, everybody dies. It is what it is.
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Mar 18, 2015 19:03
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Oxxidation posted:Between this latest conversation and dudes like Discendo Vox it's kind of depressing to think that there are people dense enough to interpret relatively simple stories this badly. I feel like a different interpretation from the norm is one thing, but just completely not paying attention is another. 
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Mar 18, 2015 19:04
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Zaphod42 posted:Complete Nihilism, yeah. I don't remember killing a "Mike" in this game. I like the end of this game. I like the end result and the message, and what it all meant up to that point.
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Mar 18, 2015 19:10
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Geight posted:I feel like a different interpretation from the norm is one thing, but just completely not paying attention is another. Both goons and people who play video games are infamous for their ability to misunderstand anything
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Mar 18, 2015 19:10
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Improbable Lobster posted:Both goons and people who play video games are infamous for their ability to misunderstand anything But when the 2 overlap is it 2 times as bad or like a double negative and just goes back to normal? its the first one
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Mar 18, 2015 19:17
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The overarching story in HM2 is pretty dumb and told in a super obtuse way so I don't blame people for not getting the whole picture right from the moment they finish it. Also the newspapers you can read are tiny and don't actually become highlighted unless you mouse over them while you are next to them so I don't blame them for missing those either.
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Mar 18, 2015 19:21
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I just found out about the answering machine -> bar sequence, missed that entirely. That's pretty interesting.
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Mar 18, 2015 19:22
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Geight posted:And you watch it happen while you are playing HLM2. You walk outside of the store as Beard and get loving nuked. How could people miss that? It doesn't just get referenced, it's something you directly witness! Storytelling so good that it's easy and a common to miss a nuclear bomb. Probably because the effect they used for it gets lost in all the other weird dying / psychotic break / brain damage / etc transitions HLM uses in its narration. I never found a newspaper, either. I didn't know we were supposed to be pixelbitching for them.
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Mar 18, 2015 19:22
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moths posted:Storytelling so good that it's easy and a common to miss a nuclear bomb. Probably because the effect they used for it gets lost in all the other weird dying / psychotic break / brain damage / etc transitions HLM uses in its narration. It's not easy or common, that's why I'm so shocked that somebody managed it. Geight fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Mar 18, 2015 |
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Mar 18, 2015 19:34
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moths posted:Storytelling so good that it's easy and a common to miss a nuclear bomb. Probably because the effect they used for it gets lost in all the other weird dying / psychotic break / brain damage / etc transitions HLM uses in its narration. Yeah, it's not like there was a montage of nuclear blasts killing the various characters or anything You're extremely dense
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Improbable Lobster posted:Yeah, it's not like there was a montage of nuclear killing the various characters or anything That's at the end of the game though? E: Beard's happens way before that, he might be having a stroke or not-Nam flashback for all you know unless you read the wiki. moths fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Mar 18, 2015 |
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Mar 18, 2015 19:39
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Mar 18, 2015 19:40
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You don't have to double-down on this, dude. It's not a huge deal that you missed an event in the story, just move on instead of pretending that it's the game's fault or complaining about 'pixelbitching'.
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Mar 18, 2015 19:43
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People questioning why the US never launched retaliatory nukes for San Fran, remember that MAD has never really been tested. We don't know even if the real world US would respond to nukes with nukes when put to the absolute test on it.
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Mar 18, 2015 19:45
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moths posted:That's at the end of the game though? Dude, the time-date stamp says San Francisco I didn't get it until I replayed the mission after beating the game but it's not some big mystery.
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It's just stupid to manifests a major story element as an Easter egg and a single screen transition. Mark buying a pizza gets more screen time.
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