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It's more for focusing on the first things. Because the skills are skewed towards subclassing, a lot of skills drop off sharply after the halfway point, where you're putting in points for a couple percent at a time. Fortess' Iron Wall is 85% reduction at Level 4, to 75% reduction at Level 10. But that's an early skill. HP Boost goes up to 140% increase at Level 10, which is much better. It's not as bad for attacking classes, but there's a bit of hesitance for maxing out skills in EO4. So, beeline for all the good ones, then worry about everything else later, with a point here and there.
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Everyman posted:Thanks, sinking too many points into a skill too soon is a bad habit of mine. I only have one L right now but I've only just unlocked the links. My party is level 14 but I wanted to sink some points into the breaks first for the sake of survivability. Is there a link element I should be focusing on? Same question for Runemaster, or can I build it like my Zodiac from 3 by spreading the points around in each element? I only put 2 points into each of the first tier damage runes so far. if I recall correctly, most things in the game are weak to ice, whereas the element that the fewest things resist is lightning. So, Ice for big damage, lightning for reliability, fire if you hate yourself. The breaks are both hugely useful, so adding points to them is certainly a good choice.
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gannyGrabber posted:if I recall correctly, most things in the game are weak to ice, whereas the element that the fewest things resist is lightning. So, Ice for big damage, lightning for reliability, fire if you hate yourself. The problem with the break skills is that they're support skills on a damage class. In the early game, they're good because a Landsknecht doesn't really have much to do at that point, but once they get access to more skills, they have better things to do than debuffing the enemy. Especially if they're a Linksknecht, where all that time spent debuffing could be spent setting up Improved Link and Vanguard. Also the Arcanist has Charm Eye, which has both the effects of Power and Mind Break, but it only eats up one debuff slot and can't miss. Also if you have a Fortress in the party, they get better at tanking, which kind of makes the breaks a bit redundant on top of all that.
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Dr. Fetus posted:The problem with the break skills is that they're support skills on a damage class. In the early game, they're good because a Landsknecht doesn't really have much to do at that point, but once they get access to more skills, they have better things to do than debuffing the enemy. Especially if they're a Linksknecht, where all that time spent debuffing could be spent setting up Improved Link and Vanguard. Also the Arcanist has Charm Eye, which has both the effects of Power and Mind Break, but it only eats up one debuff slot and can't miss. Also if you have a Fortress in the party, they get better at tanking, which kind of makes the breaks a bit redundant on top of all that. Yeah, but when you're running 5 landies, and have two in the back row...
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Mar 18, 2015 23:59
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gannyGrabber posted:Yeah, but when you're running 5 landies, and have two in the back row... Well in that case, yeah. Single class runs tend to throw a lot of things out the window.  Still haven't tried one of those myself. No idea which game to start with, maybe EO4.
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Dr. Fetus posted:Well in that case, yeah. Single class runs tend to throw a lot of things out the window. For baby's first SCC, Fortress is actually probably the easiest, amusingly enough!
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Mar 19, 2015 00:04
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theshim posted:Oh god, do EO4 if you're going to do that. None of the other games in the series will be nearly as generous with letting you get away with this stupidity. An all-Dark Hunter run in EO2 might be fun to try, though. Random encounters would probably wear you down pretty fast, but boy howdy would you ever be able to tear apart FOEs and bosses when you wanted to.
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Mar 19, 2015 01:00
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The sixth stratum is called the Cyclopean Haunt!? ... come on I gotta at least explore this a liiiiittle bit before resetting...
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Regy Rusty posted:The sixth stratum is called the Cyclopean Haunt!? Don't power through it too fast or you'll be sad when your exploring ends and you have to wait for EOU2.
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Cernunnos posted:Don't power through it too fast or you'll be sad when your exploring ends and you have to wait for EOU2. Well I've still got two more endings to go as well so I think I can make this last at least another week.
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Mar 19, 2015 01:07
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Come for the stratum theme, leave for the same battle theme since the lava caves. It's a similar aesthetic to the piss castle, but dark green is a much better colour than piss yellow.
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Mar 19, 2015 01:11
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Regy Rusty posted:The sixth stratum is called the Cyclopean Haunt!?
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Crosspeice posted:Come for the stratum theme, leave for the same battle theme since the lava caves. This is especially disappointing after EO4's 6th stratum battle theme. They really couldn't put one more song in? Rangpur posted:I know the feeling. One look at the title card (and that music) was enough for me to go all the way to B25F. Don't do that though. I suggest exploring until a FOE blindsides you and wipes the party. Usually doesn't take long. Yeah this is exactly what I'm planning. Then I'll mess around with the other postgame quests I have unlocked just to see how hard they are, maybe work on cleaning up a few conditional drops from regular enemies I missed and then next time I play I'll do the first NG+. Regy Rusty fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Mar 19, 2015 |
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Mar 19, 2015 01:12
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Regy Rusty posted:This is especially disappointing after EO4's 6th stratum battle theme. Yeah, it's weird that EO3 is the only game with no proper 6th stratum battle theme. There were a couple of outtake songs that could have fit with some fine tuning, so they might have run out of time or something.
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Mar 19, 2015 01:13
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But then, EO4 didn't have a special theme for the postgame superboss either. Hopefully EO5 will fix both of these grievous oversights. 
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Mar 19, 2015 01:16
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I wish I could tell my little people to walk over to the swordfish and cut off its fin instead of skinning them every time. Use every part of the animal drat it
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Mar 19, 2015 02:49
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I'm mildly amused that EO4 the one everybody says a newbie should start with and can be done with any party is the one I've been having the most issue with. EO3 I'm at the 4th stratum so far and really had no trouble getting there, also at the end of the 4th stratum in Untold and have had no issues getting there either but EO4 is a much different story still at the 3rd stratum or whatever they called it in EO4. Took me 3 tries to beat they guy to unlock sub classing and apparently he's very easy or so I'm told.
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Mar 19, 2015 02:58
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After EO4's skill trees I'm having trouble getting into 3. To get my Buc Pincushion I have to max Rapier and Gun mastery, and every point in anything else means I get to the meat slower even if it does give him abilities beyond his basic attack command. Is it just that knowing that's my eventual goal is distracting me from the utility before it? Or is it that my guys are level 3 and I just got off of a smoothly-running I/B machine in EO4 and know about N/Z Dark Ether shenanigans as a strategy?
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Mar 19, 2015 03:07
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:After EO4's skill trees I'm having trouble getting into 3. To get my Buc Pincushion I have to max Rapier and Gun mastery, and every point in anything else means I get to the meat slower even if it does give him abilities beyond his basic attack command. Is it just that knowing that's my eventual goal is distracting me from the utility before it? Or is it that my guys are level 3 and I just got off of a smoothly-running I/B machine in EO4 and know about N/Z Dark Ether shenanigans as a strategy? The buccaneer is really amazing. Pincushion is so good a skill that it's worth the enormous investment. Try going for max Hanging first though. It'll get you a strong and useful attack skill before the long trudge to Pincushion.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:After EO4's skill trees I'm having trouble getting into 3. To get my Buc Pincushion I have to max Rapier and Gun mastery, and every point in anything else means I get to the meat slower even if it does give him abilities beyond his basic attack command. Is it just that knowing that's my eventual goal is distracting me from the utility before it? Or is it that my guys are level 3 and I just got off of a smoothly-running I/B machine in EO4 and know about N/Z Dark Ether shenanigans as a strategy? That's actually the way a lot of the skill trees in the DS games worked. EO4's way of doing things was unique to that game. Now assuming you went straight for maxing out Pincushion, you won't have access to that until level 28. Or 23 if you use the points you get from subclassing. I wouldn't recommend that, as Pincushion is very expensive skill and your Bucaneer can't use that much without a TP battery. And even then, the damage scales directly off of the AGI stat. Meaning that the skill is far more effective later in the game than early on. A few of the skills are backloaded like that. Hanging and Eagle Eye are really good skills for them to have in the early and midgame. Limit Boost is also adds to their utility, letting them use limits a lot fast than other classes. Also do not take their Chasers, those are nowhere near as good as Links. Araxxor fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Mar 19, 2015 |
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And believe me when you've got eagle eye, charge tactic, attack order, and charge all stacked and throw down a successful 3 hit pincushion It's just so good.
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psudonym55 posted:I'm mildly amused that EO4 the one everybody says a newbie should start with and can be done with any party is the one I've been having the most issue with. EO3 I'm at the 4th stratum so far and really had no trouble getting there, also at the end of the 4th stratum in Untold and have had no issues getting there either but EO4 is a much different story still at the 3rd stratum or whatever they called it in EO4. Took me 3 tries to beat they guy to unlock sub classing and apparently he's very easy or so I'm told. The start of the third labyrinth is a major hump for a lot of parties. What you need to keep in mind is that the entire area is balanced against the assumption that you have sub classing (more options and +5 skill points), so the little bit before that is quite difficult. Now that you've beaten Kibagami, you'll have a much easier time of it. I would also venture to say that the third land as a whole is the hardest part of the game.
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theshim posted:But then, EO4 didn't have a special theme for the postgame superboss either. To be fair, the superboss in EO4 is just a giant bug that ate the essence of the final boss.
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Regy Rusty posted:Is King Penguin just a joke boss or....?? If you hit him on the wrong turn you better finish him off fast before he counters and blows you away. And that's about it!
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Mar 19, 2015 18:10
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Regy Rusty posted:Is King Penguin just a joke boss or....?? He's what I like to call one of those HP sponge enemies. Lots of HP, weak to everything. There's a couple of those in the game, and they have the ability to Curse your party. Regy Rusty posted:I even got his conditional drop on my second fight somehow. It's kill within 5 turns.
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Curse is hilarious. It's why I like Diabolix in the first game so much.
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He finally decided to explode and kill everyone on my fourth run. That's pretty funny. E: Okay even funnier is the reveal that the Pale Horse guild is an all Farmer organization. Regy Rusty fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Mar 19, 2015 |
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The penguin exploding on me was the first eo experience Id had in a few months. A good way to get back into the game.
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Regy Rusty posted:E: Okay even funnier is the reveal that the Pale Horse guild is an all Farmer organization.
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OK guys, I'm in the Echoing Library for the first time. It is my understanding that I should check the statues. I'm gonna check the poo poo out of this statue.
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Those statues are interesting, but you really want to check the statues in the postgame area.
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Junpei Hyde posted:OK guys, I'm in the Echoing Library for the first time. It is my understanding that I should check the statues. Wrong statues Can anyone tell me how you get Weapon Tome IX in EO3? The only thing I can find online is that you get it from "a merchant in the south sea" but all the merchants just trade me stuff and don't give me the epic. E: And as soon as I ask, the next one just gives it to me. Maybe it's just random. Regy Rusty fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Mar 19, 2015 |
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I wonder how a 5 Medic run of EO1 would go. Sounds a bit crazy, but it turns out that enemies do not have any Stun resistance in this game. At all. Not even Primevil. And Caduceus has a 75% chance to stun at level 10.  (It only increases to 80% at level 15)Regy Rusty posted:Wrong statues You need to talk to a Trade Ship near Batavia. Not trade with them.
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Dr. Fetus posted:I wonder how a 5 Medic run of EO1 would go. Sounds a bit crazy, but it turns out that enemies do not have any Stun resistance in this game. At all. Not even Primevil. And Caduceus has a 75% chance to stun at level 10. It's probably doable, albeit murderously stupid Speaking of which, I finally got my 3ds back from friends - should I try the postgame with 5 Runemasters, or start another moronic run? 
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theshim posted:Oh god, and you would have Immunize... Both in that order.
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SC Bracer posted:The penguin exploding on me was the first eo experience Id had in a few months. A good way to get back into the game. It just occurred to me, I wonder if that is also a Monty Python reference like the Trade City of Aaeaa and the stuff from the one EO2 comic. You know as in the "It is now 10:00, and time for the penguin on top of your television set to explolde." bit.
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