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My Imaginary GF posted:So long as you're a white male between 17 and 45, yes. Jackpot! I knew being white would payoff eventually.
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Ogmius815 posted:Yeah man that sounds well regulated to me. In the way we understand those words now, or in the way they were understood in 1789?
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Mar 20, 2015 19:36
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Chantilly Say posted:In the way we understand those words now, or in the way they were understood in 1789? No I'm afraid there is no way the phrase "well regulated militia" can reasonably be construed to mean "all the young and middle aged men in the country". Sorry.
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Mar 20, 2015 19:38
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Chantilly Say posted:In the way we understand those words now, or in the way they were understood in 1789? I imagine once biotechnology takes off people will say "no, it literally means bear arms, not guns" unirionically.
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Killer robot posted:I imagine once biotechnology takes off people will say "no, it literally means bear arms, not guns" unirionically. That is my ultimate liberal gun control fantasy, a SCOTUS ruling that you are in fact only allowed the right to bear arms like those rabbit foot keychains. But only after we can grow bear arms in giant test tubes, no harming the actual bears.
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Mar 20, 2015 19:45
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Ogmius815 posted:No I'm afraid there is no way the phrase "well regulated militia" can reasonably be construed to mean "all the young and middle aged men in the country". Sorry. Well, far be it from me to accuse the founding fathers of being unreasonable men.
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Mar 20, 2015 19:47
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The Founders wanted taxation set up proportionally to the census.
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Mar 20, 2015 19:52
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The founders also thought "a black person" could reasonably be construed to mean "3/5ths of a white person" so confusion about who's doing the regulating in the phrase "well-regulated militia" is like missing the slave-raping forest for the trees, frankly.
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Mar 20, 2015 19:57
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Chantilly Say posted:The founders also thought "a black person" could reasonably be construed to mean "3/5ths of a white person" so confusion about who's doing the regulating in the phrase "well-regulated militia" is like missing the slave-raping forest for the trees, frankly. No they didn't.
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Mar 20, 2015 20:05
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Samurai Sanders posted:I'm sure this is obvious and I've just never known it, but why is the first half of that amendment ignored by everyone? Has it always been that way? It's just a descriptive clause, explaining why the amendment was written. Grammatically, it doesn't act on the second half or limit it under any scenario.
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Mar 20, 2015 20:11
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Chantilly Say posted:The founders also thought "a black person" could reasonably be construed to mean "3/5ths of a white person" so confusion about who's doing the regulating in the phrase "well-regulated militia" is like missing the slave-raping forest for the trees, frankly. I mean I guess that's one way of putting it for people who can't be bothered with the nuances of political compromise. Hint: you're misinterpreting the three fifths compromise.
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zoux posted:If Donald Trump cared about what people think about him he wouldn't have that haircut. He cares a lot about his image though. If he didn't he'd probably just shave his head since his thin, patchy hair looks awful despite the attempts he makes to look normal. FAUXTON posted:That doesn't even make sense, trump doesn't build anything other than careers for law students specializing in bankruptcy law. He also builds hotels that fire him and Casinos that hemorrhage money. I'm honestly impressed by how consistently he's able to con people out of their money. It's pretty amazing. Stultus Maximus posted:Guns are not for blacks and not for women. That woman's almost certainly going to win the appeal process though , and currently is? The judge in the case found the prosecutor's argument to be stupid as hell and unless the law explicitly states something that along the lines of "crimes committed by someone legally allowed to be present don't apply" it'll take some hosed up reasoning to side with the prosecution. Samurai Sanders posted:I'm sure this is obvious and I've just never known it, but why is the first half of that amendment ignored by everyone? Has it always been that way? There's plenty of (white/christian supremacy) militias in the US. JT Jag posted:The amendment is honestly awkwardly worded. While the intent of the founders was likely that the right to bear arms specifically for the sake of participating in a well-regulated militia shall not be infringed (the implication being that if you are not part of a well-regulated militia, you have no right to bear arms), it can be read in other ways. Given how important hunting was for a lot of colonials for survival you aren't going to find many historians agreeing with your interpretation that if you weren't part of a militia you didn't get to keep guns. The most logical way to put the 2nd Amendment to practice would be for the US to do what Switzerland and others do. At 18 you go through basic militia(ry) training and you're issued a weapon (unless ruled ineligible due to criminal/mental/physical issues). Said weapon is your personal responsibility to keep in working order and practice with at the range periodically. I bet the NRA would poo poo blood over this though, even though the idea of tens of millions of new gun owners with needs to practice at a range a few times a year would crush gun makers under all that money the fact remains that millions of minorities would be given a gun AND training and that's clearly Obama's goal for the destruction of (white christian) america.
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Mar 20, 2015 20:15
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I'm not saying this is the greatest thing I've watched ever, but it is the greatest thing I've watched this week
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Evil Fluffy posted:Given how important hunting was for a lot of colonials for survival you aren't going to find many historians agreeing with your interpretation that if you weren't part of a militia you didn't get to keep guns. The most logical way to put the 2nd Amendment to practice would be for the US to do what Switzerland and others do. At 18 you go through basic militia(ry) training and you're issued a weapon (unless ruled ineligible due to criminal/mental/physical issues). Said weapon is your personal responsibility to keep in working order and practice with at the range periodically. Government property really wouldn't match the whole "the people" part since that's pretty clearly meant as separate from the state. You could probably get away with a "everyone has the right to own the army's currently issued infantry weapons, and only those weapons" interpretation but I imagine both sides would be pretty unhappy with that compromise too.
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In slightly uplifting news, NH citizens found Warren Groen's blog and tore him a new rear end in a top hat over being an unmitigated dick to a group of innocent 4th graders yesterday.
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Mar 20, 2015 20:26
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Well-regulated was surely tossed in to make people happy and just gloss over the obvious problem, heh. The point was that if enough people had guns then they stood a better chance. Most of the country wasn't even settled and the part that had been was still very third world by today's standards. DC when it was finally founded as the capital, after the revolution, was considered a hazard posting by foreign governments until sometime around the turn of the 20th century, with dirt roads, chickens running everywhere, etc. The thing that finally got it out of that category was a fraudulent mayor who rammed through a shitload of infrastructure/public works projects without the money to pay for them, bankrupted the place and eventually left the country. During the founders' time I'm guessing any two dudes with their own clothes and guns who agreed to carry arms and defend against the evil empire got a shiny gold star and a title bump to "Well-Regulated Militia" because what, if anything else, could it possibly mean in reality than, "Well, we gotta call 'em something, Thomas." These are the guys who hated monarchies so much that they created a system of government with an elected monarch - a system that's fallen out of favor among political theorists since then due to its reliable propensity to be abused as a pseudo-monarchy. They were fascinating and brilliant, some of them, but they weren't exactly on the money with everything. ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Mar 20, 2015 |
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Rhesus Pieces posted:In slightly uplifting news, NH citizens found Warren Groen's blog and tore him a new rear end in a top hat over being an unmitigated dick to a group of innocent 4th graders yesterday. I don't know why they're bothering to do that on a blog that has 1 post from 2008. I'm assuming he has a facebook of some sort that would be a much better target where someone might actually see the messages.
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ReindeerF posted:During the founders' time I'm guessing any two dudes with their own clothes and guns who agreed to carry arms and defend against the evil empire got a shiny gold star and a title bump to "Well-Regulated Militia" because what, if anything else, could it possibly mean in reality than, "Well, we gotta call 'em something, Thomas." Additionally, "well-regulated" often was understood to mean "not too drunk to fire their weapons, most of the time."
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Additionally, "well-regulated" often was understood to mean "not too drunk to fire their weapons, most of the time." Well, there's an argument that you couldn't be any geek off the street. You had to be handy with the steel, if you know what I mean.
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Garrand posted:I don't know why they're bothering to do that on a blog that has 1 post from 2008. I'm assuming he has a facebook of some sort that would be a much better target where someone might actually see the messages. It seems like he doesn't. I can't find one, anyway, nor does he seem to have a website. He does have a gmail account, though.
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Killer robot posted:I imagine once biotechnology takes off people will say "no, it literally means bear arms, not guns" unirionically. 
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Sir Tonk posted:But the scary black people in Texas While I don't advocate reading the comments, read the comments to see some of the leaps these people are making now that they are seeing black men with guns. "See it was ok when Cliven Bundy did it, but these guys can't do it."
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forbidden lesbian posted:I'm not saying this is the greatest thing I've watched ever, but it is the greatest thing I've watched this week The best thing about it is that adult swim just put it on with their infomercials at like 3am. Imagine being up at 3am (watching adult swim so you better be high as gently caress) and that comes on. loving reality hacking right there.
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blackguy32 posted:While I don't advocate reading the comments, read the comments to see some of the leaps these people are making now that they are seeing black men with guns. "See it was ok when Cliven Bundy did it, but these guys can't do it." Of course it's not ok when they do it since obviously they aren't real Americans and are probably from Kenya or something.
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Chantilly Say posted:The law, though not the Constitution, defines the militia as being made up of two parts: the organized militia (the national guard) and the unorganized militia (any male citizen between 17-45 who isn't in the military). The amendment reads awkwardly to us now, but at the time it was understood to mean that any man could buy and own... well, any weapon, really, since it was understood that many men of the time were members of their locally organized, self-regulating militia. You could have a cannon if you wanted! This is not true. The militia act of 1792 contained an individual mandate directing the purchase of "a musket, bayonet, and belt, two spare flints, a cartridge box with 24 bullets, and a knapsack. Men owning rifles were required to provide a powder horn, 1/4 pound of gunpowder, 20 rifle balls, a shooting pouch, and a knapsack". The founders were very clear on what you were to own, because it made the logistics of supplying the militia easier http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_Acts_of_1792
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blackguy32 posted:While I don't advocate reading the comments, read the comments to see some of the leaps these people are making now that they are seeing black men with guns. "See it was ok when Cliven Bundy did it, but these guys can't do it." I would donate time and money to any group whose goal was to put a Concealed Carry Permit and a Voter ID card in the pocket of every black and hispanic person in Texas. On a separate note. I have real problems getting my thoughts around the hypocrisy between the sloppy blow job the GOP is giving Bibi and the anti-semitic whisper campaign that led to the death in Missouri. It's just loving amazing.
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radical meme posted:On a separate note. I have real problems getting my thoughts around the hypocrisy between the sloppy blow job the GOP is giving Bibi and the anti-semitic whisper campaign that led to the death in Missouri. It's just loving amazing. What? What happened in Missouri?
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KomradeX posted:What? What happened in Missouri? It's a pretty bizarre episode. Apparently being thought of as Jewish is a death knell to your political career in the Missouri GOP.
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Mar 20, 2015 22:54
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KomradeX posted:What? What happened in Missouri? http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-he-was-jewish/
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radical meme posted:I would donate time and money to any group whose goal was to put a Concealed Carry Permit and a Voter ID card in the pocket of every black and hispanic person in Texas. It's simple. In the Middle East, Israel keeps the Muslim rabble under control (thanks to our good ol' American military hardware). Over here, they get too bold and conspire to swindle us good Christian folk at every turn. It's a shame they're so obsessed with money and power. If you'll excuse me, I'm off to buy more gold coins and doomsday supplies so I and my family can rule our own society after the nukes hit.
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radical meme posted:I would donate time and money to any group whose goal was to put a Concealed Carry Permit and a Voter ID card in the pocket of every black and hispanic person in Texas. Ummm, Netanyahu is Israeli not Jewish
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Mar 20, 2015 23:00
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The Nazi lie that most people heard was that the Jews and other undesirables were being rounded up, but would be given their own homeland in time (an 'enlightened' race-nationalism). But a fair number of Germans knew in some way or another about the reality of mass executions and slave labor.
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McDowell posted:The Nazi lie that most people heard was that the Jews and other undesirables were being rounded up, but would be given their own homeland in time (an 'enlightened' race-nationalism). But a fair number of Germans knew in some way or another about the reality of mass executions and slave labor. What the gently caress are you talking about? Did you start drinking early today? What does that have to do with U.S. politics? edit: i truly mean this in the nicest way possible, out of concern for you
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Mar 20, 2015 23:20
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MC Nietzche posted:I don't know what's worse about this, the overt argument that we need to protect white women from immigrants or the fact that someone thought this was a good loving idea. Aaand John Boehner just did the same goddamn thing http://www.speaker.gov/general/12-taylor-swift-reactions-president-obamas-free-college-idea
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Mar 20, 2015 23:30
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Republicans knowing that corporations will now be unable to limit people's access to the internet, are spreading horrific social media memes to punish internet users with cringe inducing pap.
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Mar 20, 2015 23:39
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ShadowCatboy posted:Aaand John Boehner just did the same goddamn thing By "just" you mean two months ago? And by "John Boehner" you mean Caleb Smith & Mike Ricci?
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Mar 20, 2015 23:40
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"Missouri Republican Party chairman John Hancock" - LOL Scrub-Niggurath posted:Ummm, Netanyahu is Israeli not Jewish This may be hard to wrap your mind around but he's actually both.
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Amergin posted:By "just" you mean two months ago? Yes.
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:The best thing about it is that adult swim just put it on with their infomercials at like 3am. Imagine being up at 3am (watching adult swim so you better be high as gently caress) and that comes on. loving reality hacking right there. I thought the Mike Tyson mysteries show was some kind of dumb gimmick but it's really Mike Tyson (and Norm MacDonald as a talking pigeon?) and it's a everything you'd expect of a Mike Tyson Scooby-Doo clone that's on at 1am on CN. 
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radical meme posted:What the gently caress are you talking about? Did you start drinking early today? What does that have to do with U.S. politics? It's the splitting hairs if Bibi is Israeli or Jewish (he would tell you he is both). Race-nationalism is irrational, cruel, and unjust; and now is the time to confront and reject it as Americans. There are grievances to address, but they cannot be solved anywhere by the creation of garrison states and rigidly categorizing people. Mc Do Well fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Mar 20, 2015 |
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