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Maybe Zimmy gave Anthony such an etheric beating that he lost his hand? If that's the case, and assuming the operation he performed on Annie was to prevent her from suffering the same fate as her mother, then I could understand why he is bitter. He spent years of his life trying to save his wife from death, only to fail. When he tried to save Annie, not only was the operation sabotaged, but he became crippled in the process. I'd be bitter too if my life was a long, failed struggle to save the ones I love.
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Geez Tom, Annie wanted Tony Carver for her birthday, not Gimp Hand Tony Carver (with battle damage).
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Mar 25, 2015 09:31
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M.c.P posted:Also Kat might kill this guy, so at least there's that to look forward to. Seriously. She's already Not OK with this but is trying to be cool for her friend. I get the impression that if he steps too far outta line she'd gonna end up strangling him to death.
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Mar 25, 2015 09:52
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Nathilus posted:Seriously. She's already Not OK with this but is trying to be cool for her friend. I get the impression that if he steps too far outta line she'd gonna end up strangling him to death. I don't think so. To me it looks a lot more like the way some kids see an alcoholic parent. He really loves me when he's not drunk and throwing bottles at me.
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Mar 25, 2015 10:13
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Maybe Kat will make him a bionic as a peace offering when he and Annie make up 
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Mar 25, 2015 10:16
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M.c.P posted:Edit: man, when was the last time Annie was so... deferential? I wish she'd stop. I wish she'd say YOU ARE MY loving FATHER OF COURSE IT'S MY loving BUSINESS. He deserves it. But it's not going to happen. 
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Mar 25, 2015 10:20
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Tony Carver, pushing for heights of parental jerkness unheard from since Zak Gramarye from Ace Attorney.
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Mar 25, 2015 10:34
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M.c.P posted:Huh... Annie's reactions... No you dingus, it's not that Annie expects him to say he loves her, she loving grew up with the guy and she knows how he is. She asks about his hand, because, guess what,  Annie loves and cares about her father. Unlike you, the reader, Annie is not expecting her father to (fail to) redeem himself, she isn't waiting to be disappointed by him.As for Anthony, I don't think he lost his hand because of Zimmy's punch. It looks like he's been up to some very dangerous stuff in general while he's been gone, and it makes sense that he'd want to keep Annie in as much a distance from it as he could.
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Mar 25, 2015 10:56
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There were five bones going into Antimony's fire elemental: http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1040 Did Zimmy punch his hand right off? 
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Mar 25, 2015 11:06
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He could just be continuously doing the bleeding-hand-clench thing and is trying to keep it out of sight. Doesn't have to be a missing limb 
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Mar 25, 2015 11:28
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Fairly sure it's meant to be a plastic hand. Ah, wait no I get it, sorry.
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Mar 25, 2015 11:34
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pik_d posted:There were five bones going into Antimony's fire elemental: http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1040 I hope so. The bones look like a hand in that Treatise, too. It'd explain why he's so goddamn pissy at Annie, too, given what Zimmy said to him.
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Mar 25, 2015 11:42
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pik_d posted:There were five bones going into Antimony's fire elemental: http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1040 Ahaha, get crushed, nerd.
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Mar 25, 2015 11:48
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MikeJF posted:I wish she'd stop. I wish she'd say YOU ARE MY loving FATHER OF COURSE IT'S MY loving BUSINESS. He deserves it. But it's not going to happen. Right? "Father I haven't seen you in years, and now you show up with a broken nose, scars, and A MISSING HAND!? Yes it's my business, tell me what happened to you!"
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pik_d posted:There were five bones going into Antimony's fire elemental: http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1040 Or maybe whatever he was doing there required him to sacrifice his hand for it to work?
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He resembles Gendo even more with each passing page. This can only end badly for him! 
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Suaimhneas posted:Or maybe whatever he was doing there required him to sacrifice his hand for it to work? If he lost it to the zimmypunch it seems more likely that his hand (or arm) was involved in the ethermagics that allowed the surgery to happen, and when he got punched the whole system had a sudden death either taking his hand with it or mangling it beyond repair. In the page where he gets punched all of his right arm is covered by the flash of light so it's likely the whole thing's gone.
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Mar 25, 2015 13:31
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Because zimmy started looking like annie in the ether do you think he thinks she broke his arm and thats why he's so pissed off?
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Mar 25, 2015 13:34
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Aw poo poo, Kat's getting ready to throw down.
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Mar 25, 2015 13:35
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YF-23 posted:If he lost it to the zimmypunch it seems more likely that his hand (or arm) was involved in the ethermagics that allowed the surgery to happen, and when he got punched the whole system had a sudden death either taking his hand with it or mangling it beyond repair. He's bending it at the elbow, so he's at least got that much left.
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Mar 25, 2015 13:41
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Maybe his hand isn't actually gone. Maybe it's just twisted, blackened, and useless under that thick padded glove.
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Mar 25, 2015 13:47
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Tarezax posted:Maybe his hand isn't actually gone. Maybe it's just twisted, blackened, and useless under that thick padded glove. We aren't talking about his heart.
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Mar 25, 2015 13:49
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Fried Chicken posted:He's bending it at the elbow, so he's at least got that much left. That's his left arm which we can see is intact, his right arm isn't visible at all.
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YF-23 posted:That's his left arm which we can see is intact, his right arm isn't visible at all. No, he's bending his right elbow in the current chapter. So he must not have lost his entire arm back during mysterious etheric surgery times.
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Mar 25, 2015 13:57
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Oh fair enough.
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Mar 25, 2015 14:02
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Yes tony it generally is a persons business when a family member is horribly mangled from unknown causes and refuses to talk about it. I mean I guess we can't expect you to know that but still
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I imagine if Annie ever asked about the etheric surgery (I know she won't) it would go about the same way. "So what was going on when I was in that coma?" "Is that your concern?" "Well, I was in a coma so I should think s-" "Is it any of your business?" "No, sir."
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Mar 25, 2015 15:28
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Kat is gonna go all Ysengrin on that man
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Mar 25, 2015 15:52
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And Annie would hate her for it, and he'd still be her dad, and nothing would have changed.
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YF-23 posted:No you dingus, it's not that Annie expects him to say he loves her, she loving grew up with the guy and she knows how he is. She asks about his hand, because, guess what, Thank you for making a rational post about this. Getting tired of the "tony's a dick he should get beat up" response. There's obviously a lot more at play here.
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My guess was that his hand was burned due to Zimmy's Shoryuken during dangerous fire-elemental-soul surgery, but the hand-bone connection seems interesting.
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Mar 25, 2015 16:22
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Boogaleeboo posted:And Annie would hate her for it, and he'd still be her dad, and nothing would have changed. Would Annie, though? It's one thing to have her Dad treat her a certain way. It would be another thing entirely to have him treat Kat the same way.
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If the hand is actually gone/busted for good, his career as a surgeon is pretty much over. It's probably not the whole reason, but it's at least one explanation for why he'd be going into teaching.
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Dammerung posted:Would Annie, though? It's one thing to have her Dad treat her a certain way. It would be another thing entirely to have him treat Kat the same way. Yes. He's her dad. That trumps basically everything.
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Mar 25, 2015 18:11
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Sometimes parents are lovely people.
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ImpactVector posted:If the hand is actually gone/busted for good, his career as a surgeon is pretty much over. It's probably not the whole reason, but it's at least one explanation for why he'd be going into teaching. At least he didn't start to dabble in magic, that job's already taken.
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Boogaleeboo posted:Yes. He's her dad. That trumps basically everything. It's entirely possible that the balance of influence will change after this chapter - Annie can convince herself of whatever she'd like when he's away, but I don't think she'll be able to deny what's happening when he's literally right in front of her and doing it!
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Blackheart posted:
If he was a demon, he would have a hand more like this
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Blackheart posted:
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