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Sinteres posted:I like BCS a lot so far, but I'd be very surprised if BCS ever ends up being as good as BB. I think the Mike episode this season was a good episode of television, but it felt like it belonged on a different show that's too beholden to being the Official Breaking Bad Prequel instead of a character driven show that happens to feature a younger Saul Goodman. I think Mike in general feels a little out of place; obviously the age thing is something you have to ignore with all the returning actors, but it's a little harder to suspend disbelief with a 68 year old guy who's playing a character we're supposed to believe is going to continue to be a badass for years to come. I guess I'm mostly ranting about Mike, but while I love both Bob Odenkirk and the Jimmy character, knowing where his story is heading really seems pretty limiting too. I'm sure there are still some surprises down the line, and maybe we'll get some sidequel/sequel stuff in there to mix things up, but it's hard for me to imagine a prequel relying perhaps a bit too heavily on the original is ever going to surpass it. If I understand the timeline correctly, BCS only takes place a few years before BB, so technically it's BB that has the problem is it not? And even in BB, he says "I'm getting to old" as he sits there dying. I don't think BCS is relying on BB at all, so far it's done rather well on it's own. It'd only be relying on BB if it had Jesse Pinkman cameos every so often, it doesn't. It's purely about Jimmy and Mike right now.
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What's amazing is that the Super Toy Run was exactly as they advertised, and they let they kids adjust the layout of the store for easy picking. So jealous of these dudes.
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Ravane posted:If I understand the timeline correctly, BCS only takes place a few years before BB, so technically it's BB that has the problem is it not? And even in BB, he says "I'm getting to old" as he sits there dying. I don't think BCS is relying on BB at all, so far it's done rather well on it's own. It'd only be relying on BB if it had Jesse Pinkman cameos every so often, it doesn't. It's purely about Jimmy and Mike right now. This show can't retroactively make Breaking Bad worse -- that show already is what it is. I do think Jonathan Banks was maybe a little long in the tooth for the role even then, but now he's a few years older playing a few years younger, which doesn't really work for me when he's supposed to be this scary guy who punches people out sometimes. Yeah, characters mention his age occasionally, so it's not like they're totally ignoring the issue, but it just doesn't work for me. Odenkirk looks loving ridiculous in the "Young Jimmy" flashbacks too, and he obviously doesn't look younger than he was in Breaking Bad in the main story either, but at least he's not an actual senior citizen playing a physically demanding part. I'm saying all of this as someone who loves the show and thinks it's one of the best shows on tv. I just think there are obvious problems caused by doing a prequel to a show with the same cast several years later, and while I'm happy to go along for the ride, I think that and the lack of suspense from knowing where these characters end up are serious handicaps to overcome when comparing the show with the original. Maybe you genuinely prefer BCS, and that's great, but I think a lot of people are really just suffering from present bias when they say it's better than Breaking Bad.
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Ravane posted:I've honestly enjoyed Better Call Saul far more than I enjoyed Breaking Bad. I sincerely believe it's the pacing of the show. BCS is a bit faster than BB and is consistent, whereas BB has slow episodes and fast episodes which all serve to build tension. And that's nice and all, but I sincerely cannot watch an episode where the main character swats at a fly for forty-five minutes. BCS is entertaining and builds tension well without forcing its viewers to go through hell for it. BB's last seasons were very fast paced, and that's where I most enjoyed the show, but the first few seasons killed me with slow pacing and brought me back with good plot and character development. Fly was one of the best BB episodes. 
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The Duke posted:What's amazing is that the Super Toy Run was exactly as they advertised, and they let they kids adjust the layout of the store for easy picking. So jealous of these dudes. Yeah I figured it would be gamed as hell but nope, it's as good as it seemed. Also cool that Mike O'Malley is a nice guy, kind of throws his Justified role into sharp relief.
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Eezee posted:Fly was one of the best BB episodes. That's an opinion, not a fact. Considering it was one of the most polarizing episodes of BB, with half the audience loving it, and the other half hating it, it's left up to the individual to determine whether or not it was good. I consider it one of the worst episodes of BB and the reason why BB wasn't the best show on TV when it aired; it had no plot direction and very little action. I get that the entire episode was meant as a moment of silence before the giant storm that came next, but that doesn't excuse how boring the episode was. And that's what Breaking Bad suffered with quite a bit throughout its run, were these episodes of nothingness. To me it's a waste of time. Again, BCS can be slow-paced for short periods (it's mostly fast), but it has consistency and gives you a lot of action in each episode. Granted, it's only season 1. Also take a look at its characters, Jimmy is likeable, Mike is likeable, KIM IS 15,000 TIMES BETTER THAN SKYLAR, Jim's brother is 58 times better than pancake king (but only 13 times better than breakfast). BB had a lot of unlikeable characters, and sometimes it's important to have these characters, but not when they're so terrible (I hosed Ted terrible) that you constantly hope that Walt kills them all. That ruins the show. I don't have that problem with BCS so far, even Vick the Dick is pretty likeable and I hope he stays on the show.
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Eezee posted:Fly was one of the best BB episodes. Fly is polarizing as gently caress, and anyone who's not 100% on board with the show can easily get completely turned off BB by that episode. The one person I knew who I expected to absolutely love BB (he saw The Wire 5+ times from beginning to end) stuck with the show until Fly before he gave up. Season 4/5 easily contained some of the best TV of the last decade but if you have to tell people they need to skip 1/2 a season to get through a show then maybe the show just isn't for them.
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Ravane posted:BB had a lot of unlikeable characters, and sometimes it's important to have these characters, but not when they're so terrible (I hosed Ted terrible) that you constantly hope that Walt kills them all.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Hot takes right here. Let's take another equally popular show with characters that are unlikeable. Game of Thrones, for example. Let's name a few common hated characters: Joffrey, Cersei, Bran. Why is Joffrey hated? Because he's a giant oval office and a complete sociopath. He's immature and not fit to be a king. He's hated for the right reasons, and he's an incredibly compelling character that Game of Thrones would not be the same without. Why is Bran hated? His character development as compared to other characters is severely lacking and his plotline has barely advanced in the last four seasons. He could just be omitted from GoT and the show would still be the same. Let's go back to Skylar. Everyone hates her because she's a complete bitch, like I'm gonna smoke while pregnant bitchy. And she's a complete idiot. She's either a caricature or actually a really terrible person. And she's not plotworthy. Joffrey was a king, he's integral to the plot. She's just a bad wife and a bad mother and not plotworthy . If she was toned down or taken out of the story completely, BB would have been much better. It's important to have despicable villains. But Skylar's not a villain, she's just a terribly written person. And she doesn't deserve the amount of screen time she gets. She's awfully boring and uncompelling. Every show has characters like this, but Bran doesn't get near the amount of screentime that Skylar gets, and that's a bad thing.
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USL2Dhebktg Wow, I haven't seen that show since it was actually on TV, I guess it seemed normal at the time but I had no recollection of how 90s As gently caress it was. So this is what Retsupurae is? It's like really, really bad Rifftrax. Mu Zeta posted:Who actually saw that Fly episode more than once? I'm excited to get up to that episode so I can decide whether I love it or despise it!
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Ravane posted:Let's go back to Skylar. Everyone hates her because she's a complete bitch, like I'm gonna smoke while pregnant bitchy. And she's a complete idiot. She's either a caricature or actually a really terrible person. And she's not plotworthy. Joffrey was a king, he's integral to the plot. She's just a bad wife and a bad mother and not plotworthy . If she was toned down or taken out of the story completely, BB would have been much better. It's important to have despicable villains. But Skylar's not a villain, she's just a terribly written person. And she doesn't deserve the amount of screen time she gets. She's awfully boring and uncompelling.
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raditts posted:So this is what Retsupurae is? It's like really, really bad Rifftrax. Retsupurae is actually why I came to something awful. What's funny is that I don't play video games at all really. Diabeetus is actually a really decent commentator, and he and slowbeef tend to play off each other pretty well. But RPs can be hit or miss, some are good, some are hilarious, some are just bad. They're not professional comedians, so the quality of videos that they turn out is relatively good for it just being a hobby.
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Its true, there is a lot of plotlines that could have been trimmed waaay down in BB. A lot of it is boring. Better call saul though, that show is at least twice as boring. I like the show, but drat, there was a whole episode about a guy considering getting into elder law. Just considering it. Also Joffrey is the best ever.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Hot takes right here. Are you seriously 40 years old? Kinda pathetic dude. I might be the worst non-serious poster on TVIV, but you're the worst serious poster on here. Like you're really sad. Fooz posted:Also Joffrey is the best ever. agreed.
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Ravane posted:Are you seriously 40 years old? Kinda pathetic dude. I might be the worst non-serious poster on TVIV, but you're the worst serious poster on here. Like you're really sad.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Hot takes right here. Deadpool, I'll agree to a month probation if you probate this guy for a month too. I genuinely just want to gently caress with him. Edit: gently caress it, I'll agree to a year (or whatever is bigger than a month) probation, if you probate this guy for a month.
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Ravane posted:Deadpool, I'll agree to a month probation if you probate this guy for a month too. I genuinely just want to gently caress with him.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:I AGREE TO THIS. I will never forget this.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:I agree to this. I'm make sure they'll build a wall somewhere and carve your name in it.
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christ just ban both of them
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I like how there's an eleven minute gap between those two messages you sent. That's because nobody in real life gives a poo poo about you, not enough to actually respond. You should be glad to have me, I'll actually respond. And I'm glad to give up a year, because it means less to me than a month does to you. Edit: Wait, do you actually tell your, I'm hoping equally 40-year-old, friends that you're trying to gently caress with some random guy on the internet? Why the gently caress would anyone give a poo poo about what you do on a random internet forum? I'm genuinely curious because that's super pathetic. Ravane fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Apr 7, 2015 |
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Yeah you totally don't care about this place.Ravane posted:I DIDN'T loving CREATE THIS ISSUE! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mo0 posted:christ just ban both of them
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FactsAreUseless posted:Please melt down. I want to watch you melt down. Congrats shm, you got trolled. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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A man walks into a doctor's office. "Doctor," he says, "I'm terribly depressed. I feel completely pathetic and I worry that everyone thinks I am a joke." The doctor says, "I have the perfect treatment. The great clown Ravane is in town. Go see him, you'll feel so much better about yourself and your lot in life." "But doctor," the man sobs, "I am Ravane."
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Hope both of you enjoy your month long vacations. Also if either of you post in this thread again when you come back you're banned. X-O fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Apr 7, 2015 |
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It's like summer vacation and Christmas rolled into one.
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Well, that was a trip.
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Couch Chat: TV IV's Official American Justice Thread Starring Bill Curtis as Deadpool
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Can't tell whether I'm glad or sad that I missed this action for a thread that maybe three of you will care about.
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Zaggitz posted:6 hours is not a month That's the preprobating. It's like foreplay.
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Ravane posted:Let's take another equally popular show with characters that are unlikeable. Game of Thrones, for example. Or for a nice current example of a bad character, Kim from Better Call Saul. He can't reply but seriously Kim has no character at all. She's a plot faucet. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Apr 7, 2015 |
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