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Henchman of Santa posted:They've been building up Monica's manipulation of Ian since at least season 3, too. It's crushing to see it come to fruition. They were living together too last season and that's probably also solidified his whole "only Monica can really understand me and she's probably right" point of view. Who knows what kind of poo poo the two of them got into when they were together and Monica must have realized that he was showing symptoms of bipolar disorder but she still didn't do anything about it.
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Apr 6, 2015 02:23
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A guy named Walter dealing meth, huh?
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I don't know who's more hosed right now, Fiona, Ian, or Debbie.
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Apr 6, 2015 02:45
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 Oh, poo poo.  Oh, poo poo. 
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Did they just get rid of the best character on the show with that half assed break up? Also, I hate the times when this show turns into a cartoon like how it did with Sammi just trying to gun down Mickey in broad daylight and of course missing 100 times. And Ian doesn't even care that Mickey is being shot at? I guess it's supposed to be funny but it comes off as bad writing and kinda just takes me out of the show. AARO fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Apr 6, 2015 |
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Man when Micky got the call I was so happy and literally did a "Squeee" sound. And then Ian pulled that bullshit break up and I now hate Ian more then anyone else in the show including psycho Sammi. And right after that bombshell we get the is she /isn't she of Debbie maybe being pregnant (don't be a dumbshit Debbie!) Kev and V had to be the only highlight in the episode. That and Lip getting punched in the face because he is an rear end in a top hat.
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Goddammit Ian. What a lovely finale. Five years of Ian and Mickey and the writers do that? If Noel doesn't sign on for next season the show just won't be worth watching. At least Kev and V were entertaining.
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I feel weird saying this, but I found the Bianca/Frank storyline... touching? I'm not quite sure else how to put it. Also nthing the whole Ian/Mickey breakup thing being bullshit 
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I was hoping that Ian and MIckey would make up and all, but that breakup was just bullshit. Especially when Mickey said he loved him.
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Mickey is the best character in this whole thing. He better not be gone.
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Gaussian posted:I feel weird saying this, but I found the Bianca/Frank storyline... touching? I'm not quite sure else how to put it. Also nthing the whole Ian/Mickey breakup thing being bullshit Yeah I actually liked Frank this season and hopefully he might be less shameless next season and actually grow as a person/character. Fiona and her relationship crap was boring as hell this season and they really need to do something with the character next season other than relationship junk. Debbie started to get cool again earlier in the season now I just want to smack her again. Overall it was a weak and lovely finale that I ended up mostly skimming through. Hopefully next season Ian realizes what a tool he is, gets his poo poo together and goes crawling back to Mickey. Mandy should return as well because Lip's bullshit is getting warn out. I'm still pissed they threw an integral scene of Mickey's character development down the shithole. I've been waiting for him to say that for like three seasons.
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Gaussian posted:I feel weird saying this, but I found the Bianca/Frank storyline... touching? I'm not quite sure else how to put it. I agree, it was like a four episode arc but it kinda stole the show for me. It's the second finale in a row where I felt like Frank's story had the best scene too. In general I wasn't really feeling it this season, I think it's the worst one in the show's run. The only other plot I thought they hit well with was Ian's.
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I feel like this season was building up to next season, if that makes any sense. Like a lot of the story lines and such will come together next season and this one was more for building everything up and next season will really have the payoff. I'm hoping it's that way because while I didn't have a ton of complaints about this season (aside from Debbie's plot line, gently caress that poo poo) I'm hoping it all come together soon.
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I really liked the finale and I really doubt that Mickey has been written off the show. Plus we got a Lip and Ian broing out scene at the end which is always great.
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According to this, Mickey's actor wasn't ready to sign on for another season, so they left it open ended enough that he can be written off at that point if needed. Also that Sean will be back for season 6. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/shameless-finale-ian-mickey-split-785890
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It would be lovely if Noel doesn't decide to come back. When they first introduced his character I wasn't to impressed since he was basically another lowlife thug but the way the character has grown since then has been amazing. And really after all the crap Micky and Ian had to go through after they got found out by his dad and then the big coming out at the Alibi where they got the poo poo beat out of them by rear end in a top hat dad it really sucks the way Ian let him go. Cameron did an amazing job as an actor in the last two seasons showing the ups and downs of someone with bi polar and I hope he gets an emmy but man do I hate Ian for being a selfish fuckwad. And nthing the comment above that this season was a build up to next season. I can see Debbie going through the pregnant single teen because what's his face runs off. (holy christ do I want to to smack the poo poo out of her for seeing what Fiona has gone through raising six kids and then deciding to pop out kids) And well it is amazing that none of the other kids have had kids of their own yet why does it have to be Debbie? Give a kid to Fiona it's not like she did much this season but "agonise" over relationship crap and who to gently caress or not gently caress
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Loved the finale. The theme of everyone figuring out what they finally wanted and most of them not getting it really brought the whole season together in my opinion. Usually the finales on this show are the moments of calm after the big events of the season but this one it felt more like it's where everything finally came together. Both of the credits scenes were amazing as well.
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I had no idea that was the finale. Pretty big let down.
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nooneofconsequence posted:I had no idea that was the finale. Pretty big let down. I was expecting to be hit with more feels, either good ones or shocked ones. But nothing really fired. Good setup for Season 6 I guess though.
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Jack Skeleton posted:They sure dropped that whole gentrification story line pretty fast. Uh, it was directly mentioned in the recent episode with Lip at the party. It's not dropped, it's just not concluded, and will likely continue into season 6.
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Kind of a weak finale. Nothing really happened till the final montage. I hope we get more Lip and Ian together next season. Their chats in the van were always great.
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I agree with whoever said this season seems to be setting up for the next one. The finale left us with more questions than before. I wasn't crazy about the finale but I will be curious to see the trajectory of all the different storylines. They really jam-packed a ton of content in this year. Highlight for me was the Bianca plot. Season four remains my favorite due to the grittiness and cohesion. And no Jimmy/Steve. Or Monica. Oliver Reed fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Apr 6, 2015 |
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Poophole Loophole  I was laughing at this for the rest of the show. I'm a child.
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Faustian Bargain posted:Poophole Loophole I forgot about that. The way he delivers his lines in the show crack me up.
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The Fiona love triangle may have looked ok on paper when they planned out the season but they really wasted an opportunity to do something better with Jimmy Steve. Then choosing between her crusty addict boss and mild mannered jazz musician was one giant shrug. Who cares. Fiona used to be the most compelling character, even when she was crashing and burning. But the rest of the season was pretty good. I'm glad Mickey and Ian broke up. Mickey deserves better than a boyfriend making bareback porn on a whim. Besides, it's probably a temporary break until someone gets jealous and a fist fight breaks out resulting in rrrrrough sex. Frank and the doctor  In really looking forward to next season except for the Fiona stuff.
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hepscat posted:The Fiona love triangle may have looked ok on paper when they planned out the season but they really wasted an opportunity to do something better with Jimmy Steve. This is where I'm at. This season ended up being pretty great for all of the characters that aren't played by Emmy Rossum, but what the gently caress was the point of the Steve stuff?
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The whole point of the Jimmy/Steve stuff was to gently caress Fiona's marriage up for "drama". Plus since we have already seen Fiona be in a love triangle they had to have random factor X to make it different
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The point of that stuff is that was something that's always been left open. Fiona's story this season is about her maturing and the difficulty she has with it. The one stable relationship she thought was good for her and the family was Jimmy. And that never ended with her because he just disappeared. Him coming back effectively let her grow out of that situation and pushes her character forward. But as with all things for these characters it's not that simple. Their lives aren't easy and finding happiness isn't easy. The entire finale was about that for every character. That's why it started with all of them in a good place and then finding themselves mostly in worst places by the end. Fiona is trying to find something stable to make her happy and in the process ruining her chances. Debbie is desperate enough to have a stable family that she's willing to ruin her future to get it. Down the line all of the characters are facing situation in which they're going to have to grow in order to get what they think they want. And for them that's not very easy.
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Ian's reasons for breaking it off with Mickey kind of make sense; when the people you care about find out you're ill mentally or physically, they start to treat you differently. You'll spend most of your time around them feeling like you're a burden as they give you pitiful looks and such, feeling that they'd be better off without you. I also hope that Fiona's "cycle of chaos" isn't going to be a lazy excuse for her repeating the same tired plot; drawn out like this every season, giving her multiple relationship options that she will screw given the chance. I barely saw any differences in the romance part of her plotline from season four. I personally enjoyed the show more when it was about a tight-knit family struggling to make ends meet with their father constantly creating problems.
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I bet Frank turns himself around next season. Begins to improve himself after losing that woman, only to run into her in the street and it turns out she had a change of heart and left to get treatment, putting Frank back to square 1.
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FireWorksWell posted:Ian's reasons for breaking it off with Mickey kind of make sense; when the people you care about find out you're ill mentally or physically, they start to treat you differently. You'll spend most of your time around them feeling like you're a burden as they give you pitiful looks and such, feeling that they'd be better off without you. Same. The show, while entertaining, has entered into "everyone off on their own adventure" syndrome which usually is the precursor to shark jumping. I think Ian breaking up with Mickey also made sense. On the one hand, the reason you give, and the other, perhaps after seeing his mother, he realizes what a burden/crazy he may get, and this was his way of saving Mickey from that burden. Debbie needs a slap across the face. She's loving loopy and Fiona needs to get over the hypocrisy angle Debbie tried using on her. Fiona being a screw up with relationships doesn't mean her 15 year old sister should have a loving baby. Lip. Sigh. I don't care. Stop this story or have it loving go somewhere. Where did they go from the party? I feel like I missed a scene. Did they show them getting dinner? I assumed that was a 3-some setup. Frank and Bianca was nice but I still can't stand Frank. Nothing he does will be a redemption arc. There's no coming back from the poo poo he's done. He sent a retard to juvie. Someone earlier said that the cartoon-ish aspect of Sammie shooting Mickey and Ian just nonchalantly "oh something about being locked in a box." That was stupid. Perhaps it's setup for Season 6, but I see the show dangerously having jumped the shark and this season has been heading towards that. I guess we'll find out next year.
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32MB OF ESRAM posted:I bet Frank turns himself around next season. Begins to improve himself after losing that woman, only to run into her in the street and it turns out she had a change of heart and left to get treatment, putting Frank back to square 1. Yes, she swam completely nude back to America, then called her parents from a pay phone to come pick her up and take her back to Chicago to get treatment and she's going to have a long, healthy life with Frank.
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Shadow posted:Same. The show, while entertaining, has entered into "everyone off on their own adventure" syndrome which usually is the precursor to shark jumping. The only scenes I didn't like about the finale was when Ian stood there, watching Mickey get chased and shot at. To be honest, I was laughing really hard after Mickey said "Oh, poo poo" when Sammi was walking up with the gun; I had thought Sammi shot/killed Mickey when the scene cut to Fiona and V which is a kind of humor I enjoy. I also agree that Lip's plotline is rather annoying, and hearing him say "I think I might be in love with my professor" just made me wonder how much more cuckold and "you're not studying your cunnilingus enough" the writers will toss out before Lip screws it up. The scene where Amanda just freaked out on Lip and ran away crying before everyone starts clapping was probably the best part of the episode. "There's just no such thing as casual sex anymore."
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The problem I have with series that go on is if I tend to ask too many "why did that happen? that doesn't make any sense", or "what ever happened to *insert person/plot point here*?" I'm having a lot of those questions this year unfortunately. It feels like they film one episode, then the writers gather and write for the next one, and repeat without really following the set plot points they created in previous seasons/episodes. It also almost feels like different writers are writing each episode each week. I think next season will be the making/breaking on this series. I really hope it doesn't continue to be too loose plot-wise, as it really takes me out that feeling you get when you are watching something, and you completely forget about yourself/your life (escapism I guess).
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King Vidiot posted:Yes, she swam completely nude back to America, then called her parents from a pay phone to come pick her up and take her back to Chicago to get treatment and she's going to have a long, healthy life with Frank. The last time we saw JimmySteve the shot faded to black as a sound of a gunshot was heard. Now he's alive and well. This show has realistic and well written characters but the plots themselves are pretty fanciful. That cancer lady swam back to her home planet and is receiving treatment in my head canon. Of course she would never return to Frank, her being with Frank was because she didn't want to receive treatment. Once she decides to fight cancer Frank has to be the first thing to go, since he is basically the physical manifestation of her cancer. FireWorksWell posted:There was no gunshot at the end of that shot; they added the gunshot in the "here's what you missed in season three" montage which to me makes little sense because there had to be some kind of knowledge that he'd be showing up at the very end of season four. Also I just figured that Bianca killed herself or something like that, she seemed to realize just how unhinged she had become. bring back old gbs fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Apr 7, 2015 |
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FireWorksWell posted:The scene where Amanda just freaked out on Lip and ran away crying before everyone starts clapping was probably the best part of the episode. That was the weirdest scene in the episode for me, like yeah I felt like Lip needed a slap for not actually confronting her about anything and then everyone applauded and I was like "why is everyone clapping?" Overall I thought that this finale felt rushed, like Ian was with Monica and then bam he is back in Chicago and breaking up with Mickey. Fiona is with Gus but now she's maybe hanging with Sean and now she's caught Debbie. This just felt all over the place and really rushed in comparison to previous finales
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32MB OF ESRAM posted:...or she swam back to shore, travelled back to her family and plans on never seeing frank again? There was no gunshot at the end of that shot; they added the gunshot in the "here's what you missed in season three" montage which to me makes little sense because there had to be some kind of knowledge that he'd be showing up at the very end of season four. Also I just figured that Bianca killed herself or something like that, she seemed to realize just how unhinged she had become. Aces High posted:That was the weirdest scene in the episode for me, like yeah I felt like Lip needed a slap for not actually confronting her about anything and then everyone applauded and I was like "why is everyone clapping?" I thought they were clapping because of the way Amanda was acting towards Lip and how Lip played it off. I mean, I hated her character but the way Lip just sort of pushed her aside to go gently caress a professor made me feel bad for her. Then everyone started clapping and I remembered she was kind of a needy, selfish person; when Lip and her dad were bonding she gave me a vibe that she was getting jealous. I saw the last five minutes of the finale before actually watching it, so I thought there'd be more scenes of Mickey and Ian's relationship crumbling instead of "oh hey, you guys want closure to their relationship right? Enjoy! Oh hey there's Sammi". I can't tell if this show actually has its plot threads set up to end or they're just drawing everything out, raising the stakes and drama for more ratings. I understand they're showing Ian's disorder in a very realistic light but there were at least two episodes that had Ian running away somewhere (I'm actually wondering why Ian seemed so outraged when he found out his mom sold meth considering his life/upbringing and history of drug use) when they could have been developing the other plotlines. poo poo, they could've given Gus some dimension but the way they developed Sean made it apparent who Fiona would choose this time. They could have given more depth to, godforbid, Lip's relationship to his professor and cuckold husband. Maybe they could give more background information on Debbie's boyfriend, unless they planned on making him a runaway father. The main issue I had with the season was minor, but I wanted to see at least one person make an effort to retaliate, physically or mentally, against Kenyatta. Odds are we're just not going to hear any mention of Mandy anymore. FireWorksWell fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Apr 7, 2015 |
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