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This is like chili...but with PORK!
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mindphlux posted:just because I feel like we need to establish the ground rules again ever so often in this thread How about I just call Cincinnati chili "Cincinnati chili" considering that's, you know, what it's literally been called for a century. You can just call the original chili Gods One True Chili if it makes you feel better. loving food purists  .
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Apr 8, 2015 18:53
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kittenmittons posted:How about I just call Cincinnati chili "Cincinnati chili" considering that's, you know, what it's literally been called for a century. You can just call the original chili Gods One True Chili if it makes you feel better. loving food purists
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Apr 9, 2015 00:10
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MasterFugu posted:allrecipes.com is a good place to go if all you want is a food-based echo chamber. 
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Apr 9, 2015 00:25
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MasterFugu posted:allrecipes.com is a good place to go if all you want is a food-based echo chamber. Have you read http://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=161 ?
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Apr 9, 2015 01:51
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this is a cool argument, definitely keep it up everyonemindphlux posted:Beef. Not ground - cubed, preferably something with good beefy flavor. Preferably chargrilled or at least seared off. are you seriously saying that "if it has ground beef it isn't chili" because good lord
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Apr 9, 2015 02:35
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It's just chili
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Apr 9, 2015 03:26
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angerbeet posted:It's just chili
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Apr 9, 2015 03:30
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angerbeet posted:It's just a spicy stew containing chili peppers, meat (usually beef), and often tomatoes and beans. Other seasonings may include garlic, onions, and cumin. Variations, both geographic and personal, involve different types of meat and ingredients. Recipes provoke disputes among aficionados, some of whom insist that the word “chili” applies only to the basic dish, without beans and tomatoes. Chili is a frequent dish for cook-offs, and is used as an ingredient in other dishes.
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Apr 9, 2015 03:34
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I had meant to include a link to a discussion from 1994 about chili vs chili beans but the link checker was not having it: maybe this time. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.food.cooking/Vm9jvg2Jess/j0kt0wqrzssJ
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Apr 9, 2015 04:54
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Tatsuta Age posted:this is a cool argument, definitely keep it up everyone basically yeah if only because almost every recipe I've ever seen that calls for grinding the beef also calls for 10+ ingredients and doesn't involve searing off the meat, etc. so like while I don't actually think you have to make chili with cubed beef, I think for all intents and purposes it's much easier to just say 'no, ground beef can't make chili' because the average cook who is wondering 'hey am I making chili right' will just see 'ground beef' in the ingredient list and mentally check out, like 'oh yeah, I'm totally on track that's what I do' when their end dish tastes like poo poo. I'm not being a sperglord or a purist. I'm trying to articulate (in words, over the internet) what small qualitative differences there are between a pot of waterlogged flavorless ground beef stewing in tomato juice, and a really superbly flavored beefy dish you can legitimately call chili. with either version, sure, "it's just chili" - but... it's just chili. there are very few ingredients in the dish. the quality of the meat you're using and the attention to detail matter. seriously.
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Apr 9, 2015 05:00
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mindphlux posted:Chili with ground beef isn't real chili because most people suck at cooking
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Apr 9, 2015 06:56
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mindphlux posted:basically yeah While I don't disagree with anything you said there, I do disagree with what you first said, which is that nothing that isn't only: Mindphlux posted:Beef. Not ground - cubed, preferably something with good beefy flavor. Preferably chargrilled or at least seared off.
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Apr 9, 2015 07:02
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SymmetryrtemmyS posted:While I don't disagree with anything you said there, I do disagree with what you first said, which is that nothing that isn't only: Do you not see how my point is that people cooking chili from recipes on the internet demand a reductionist standpoint on basic technique to achieve basic competency?
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Apr 9, 2015 08:47
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But this thread isn't just for "people cooking chili from recipes on the internet", it's also a place for voicing new ideas and honing techniques and recipes. I don't mind the reductionist view, but to say that that's the one true chilli is a bit silly. I make chilli with the addition of beans, tomatoes and pork ribs. Does that mean I have to call it "chunks of cooked down beef and pork in a flavourful spicy stew and beans"? Or can I just call it chilli? Because I'm pretty sure the street vendors who originally made it would recognise it as such...
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Apr 9, 2015 09:59
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Scientastic posted:But this thread isn't just for "people cooking chili from recipes on the internet", it's also a place for voicing new ideas and honing techniques and recipes. I don't mind the reductionist view, but to say that that's the one true chilli is a bit silly. I never said anything about a one true chili. I just wanted to re-establish some basic ground rules for a basic, true to form, delicious - unobjectionable technically acceptable chili. mindphlux posted:just because I feel like we need to establish the ground rules again ever so often in this thread
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Apr 9, 2015 10:29
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mindphlux posted:I never said anything about a one true chili. I just wanted to re-establish some basic ground rules for a basic, true to form, delicious - unobjectionable technically acceptable chili. You are saying these other recipes are not chili because of additional additives. The method you are talking about is a good jumping off point but by no means the end all, beat all. Every new ingredient adds a new level of flavor and complexity to what would otherwise be somewhat unimpressive. This is not the place to reinforce the status quo, but to push the boundaries of chili goodness.
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Apr 9, 2015 12:51
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I often use ground beef in chili, and it is always delicious so.......... Also beans Syenite fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Apr 9, 2015 |
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Apr 9, 2015 13:42
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lol
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Apr 9, 2015 15:09
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mindphlux posted:I'm not being a sperglord 
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Apr 9, 2015 15:22
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Shukaro posted:I often use ground beef in chili, and it is always delicious so.......... I often cook up some eggs with pork, cheese, and spinach, and it is always delicious, but I don't try to pass it off as chili.
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Apr 9, 2015 15:27
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Shukaro posted:I often use ground beef in chili, and it is always delicious so.......... This is a good formula for a chili to be used as a topping (chili-dogs, nachos, etc). Let it be known I do not denounce the ground beef eaters amongst us, rather welcoming them as brothers of the cause. I know I started with ground beef chilis and have taken to using primarily stew meat based on personal preference. I would highly encourage anyone who has always used ground beef to try it with some cubed meat and see how it tickles your fancy, though.
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Apr 9, 2015 20:55
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mindphlux posted:I never said anything about a one true chili. Right, you just gave an example of chili that you say isn't chili and called someone a loving idiot if they would add an ingredient you wouldn't. Totally not the same thing at all! 
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Apr 9, 2015 23:33
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If only someone in the past had spergged about what is and isn't chili we wouldn't be going through this.
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Apr 10, 2015 02:19
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Apr 10, 2015 10:55
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Scientastic posted:But this thread isn't just for "people cooking chili from recipes on the internet", it's also a place for voicing new ideas and honing techniques and recipes. I don't mind the reductionist view, but to say that that's the one true chilli is a bit silly. Down here in Australia, we call the ground beef, tomatoes and beans version "chilli con carne". But we also recognise the one true "chili' (tm) tex mex USA (one 'L') is a different dish and has cubed beef, onion, stock and all those other things mindphlux says. I disagree that no pork is allowed, but the point is no tomatoes or beans. No idea what came first, but people I know recognize the difference between "chili", and "chilli con carne", the latter often having flavours and spices out of a packet usually, and made up of beans, tomatoes and ground beef. Helps that the british/australian spelling of chilli has two 'l's, and we only spell it the US way when meaning the tex mex cubed beef/pork no tomato and beans version. E: I know con carne just means 'with meat' Also I welcome the difference as if you put tomatoes in everything, then every stew taste the same. Chili with tomatoes and ground beef may as well be ragu with chilli peppers. Chili with beans may as well be a bean stew. Putting them all together for chilli con carne is acceptable for just having a cheap meal for poors like me. Good for filling tacos with or having with rice, but it's not a special meal in any way. Fo3 fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Apr 10, 2015 |
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Apr 10, 2015 12:06
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Fo3 posted:acceptable for just having a cheap meal for poors like me If only there was some sort of food that you could cook with a dedicated thread that could be ruined by spergs claiming that a regional peasant dish could ever be an immutable thing with no permitted variations... Chill is a stew for poor people, and as such can have things added to it to make the expensive meat go further. To deny this is to ignore the roots of the dish and completely misses the whole point of it.
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Apr 10, 2015 13:26
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Because I'm from a different country, chili to me is fancy foreigner food, with people using fancy BBQs and smokers to compete in cook offs, with secret recipes and additives, and an industry developed around selling sauces and flavourings. There's always the bean threads and poor people threads to talk about the other version, the 2 "L" chilli con carne with beans and tomatoes.
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Apr 10, 2015 13:41
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People going on autistic rants about how chili (1 'L') isn't chili (1 'L') because it has tomatoes and/or beans and/or ground beef is always the best thing about chili (1 'L') threads.
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Apr 10, 2015 13:59
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That's a sperg? I don't give a crap, and don't need to rant about it. Not a problem for me it's just how I/family/friends/country differentiates the two versions to ourselves. One is a cheap ground beef version like a bolognese but with chilli and beans, the other is a cubed meat stew like a curry. E: It's not like we even have to say "chili" with 1 'L' 2 'L'. Just need to say chilli con carne, or real chili; just like "cincinatti chili" and "chili" are different things and have known meanings over there. Fo3 fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Apr 10, 2015 |
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Apr 10, 2015 14:15
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Cincinnati chili should stay in 'weird regional foods' or 'disgusting things from your hometown that nobody else eats'
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Apr 10, 2015 16:46
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Chili is regional. Up here in Michigan you'll hear "Why the heck is this all meat? Where's the beans? Aren't there any tomato in here? Why is it so thick?" if you present a Texas-style chili.
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Apr 10, 2015 16:48
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The beauty of where I live is I don't have to converse with those people. Beans and tomato is pretty Mexican (which is why we say "con carne" here, to point out it's the Mexican version with beans and tomatoes). Chili with cubed/diced meat is very much tex-mex so I'd give Texas the shout out and do it their way and just say chili, and drop the Mexican connotation. Wasn't it Boston that was famous in the USA for beans? Didn't the Spanish send all the tomatoes to Europe? Just kidding about the tomatoes, but I find them as prevalent in euro cooking as Mexican cuisine. Jealous that I can't get any tomatillos around here. Fo3 fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Apr 10, 2015 |
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Apr 10, 2015 17:01
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Does the pizza thread have the same argument? "The only pizza is dough, a little bit of tomato, mozzarella, and lots of heat. Anything else can be called pizza alla salame, or whatever you mouthbreathers like to call it, but it is NOT 'pizza'."
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Apr 10, 2015 21:49
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SymmetryrtemmyS posted:Does the pizza thread have the same argument? "The only pizza is dough, a little bit of tomato, mozzarella, and lots of heat. Anything else can be called pizza alla salame, or whatever you mouthbreathers like to call it, but it is NOT 'pizza'." See: party cut, St Louis style, deep dish, pineapple
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Apr 10, 2015 22:07
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Fo3 posted:The beauty of where I live is I don't have to converse with those people. i'm unable to discern trolling from real posts in this thread any more but literally "con carne" means with meat so i'm at a loss right here.
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Apr 10, 2015 22:12
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Casu Marzu posted:See: party cut, St Louis style, deep dish, pineapple Those are all types of pizza, just like Texas style, Cincinnati style, etc. are all styles of chili. I'm asking more if anybody yells at other people for 'mistakenly' calling Chicago style pizza 'pizza' in that thread.
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Apr 10, 2015 22:12
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even if somebody has it in their head that "a bowl of beans with nothing else in it" is "chili" who really gives a poo poo lol
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Apr 10, 2015 22:20
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Tatsuta Age posted:even if somebody has it in their head that "a bowl of beans with nothing else in it" is "chili" who really gives a poo poo lol internet autists
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The pizza scene is a disaster though, nothing like the purity of the internet chili scene.
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