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I watched the gameplay video at GiantBomb and the live video thing is pretty cool. If you play good, crowd and band mates cheer. If you suck, they start booing and/or giving you funny looks. If you really suck, the note highway disappears..... and then reappears after a few seconds. No idea how you're supposed to see which of the parallel buttons you're supposed to press. Maybe it wasn't in the song?
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Merijn posted:Six buttons With the 6 buttons in 2 rows over top each other they're definitely trying to make it as casual as possible. That's going to be much easier than using all fingers the 5-in-a-row required.
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Apr 14, 2015 15:30
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Being a drums and vocals guy, I have to say, the new GH is just a simple curiosity for me.
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Apr 14, 2015 15:30
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The real story starts at 2:30 in that video. "Live" sounds like a dumb Twitch gimmick but "TV" actually sounds interesting. If it's really like tuning into a music video channel and just playing a game on top of it, that's cool and different. They seem to be taking the whole thing in a completely different direction than Rock Band and it's the right move. They really should have led with that, instead of the weird crowd thing. It came off as the same type of "double down on a random feature" approach that they took with GH6 and I was ready to laugh at it.
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Apr 14, 2015 15:31
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They might be able to convince me to buy new instruments because hey, new console, but that note and button layout can gently caress right off
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Apr 14, 2015 15:36
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eta9SoKaHwY It's a loving SegaCD-esque FMV game in 2015. What. Gameplay looks okay, but I can't get over how weird it looks
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Apr 14, 2015 15:38
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Merijn posted:No idea how you're supposed to see which of the parallel buttons you're supposed to press. Maybe it wasn't in the song? ... and yeah, I'm a bass guy (and keys  ) and guitar is the instrument I'm least interested in in the Rock Band lineup, so, eh. Plus, really not a fan of this whole blatantly tailored to a market segment YOU ARE SUCH A STAR BRO thing they've got going on.
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Apr 14, 2015 15:38
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Kotaku has an article up, and has a bit more info as to what GHTV is:quote:Its major innovation is this thing called Guitar Hero TV, which is essentially a playable music video network where you can drop in and out of different genre-themed channels and join people across the world in playing whatever’s on whilst the relevant music video plays in the background. It’s like Just Dance’s World Dance Floor mode.
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Apr 14, 2015 15:44
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Minidust posted:The real story starts at 2:30 in that video. "Live" sounds like a dumb Twitch gimmick but "TV" actually sounds interesting. If it's really like tuning into a music video channel and just playing a game on top of it, that's cool and different. They seem to be taking the whole thing in a completely different direction than Rock Band and it's the right move. Yeah the TV music channel thing sounds ideal for parties or something; leave it kicking out sweet jams, and if anyone feels like playing then hop on and off you go. I like the idea of the live performance thing, with the crowds and stuff reacting to your playing, it does sound interesting and immersive. However I fear it'll get reduced to a tired gimmick and everyone will just start noticing the same people in the same position, loop points, same reactions, etc. Basically spot the man behind the curtain, and the illusion of playing to a live audience will be ruined.
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Apr 14, 2015 15:45
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We need a Dirk the Daring character.
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Apr 14, 2015 15:50
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smokyprogg posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eta9SoKaHwY Wow, they're really goign to release it on Xbox 360/One, PS3/4 and Wii U. And somewhere it mentioned a mobile version as well.
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Merijn posted:Wow, they're really goign to release it on Xbox 360/One, PS3/4 and Wii U. And somewhere it mentioned a mobile version as well. 
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Merijn posted:Wow, they're really goign to release it on Xbox 360/One, PS3/4 and Wii U. And somewhere it mentioned a mobile version as well. From gameinformer's article: quote:The mobile version of Guitar Hero Live claims to deliver the full console experience to select devices, allowing players to play along wherever they have their device.
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Apr 14, 2015 15:52
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Well... the button rows set it apart. And deciding to (apparently) jettison every other instrument frees their song options up a ton. Probably also saving a boatload on the much lower number of patents to pay Harmonix royalties on. But... FMV? And you health meter is strawberry eye jam? And, you know, scrapping their entire library of charts and data for the new layout? Well, props for really rolling the dice with something different. There won't be any confusing them with Rock Band or Rocksmith, that's for sure.
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Apr 14, 2015 15:52
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KiddieGrinder posted:I like the idea of the live performance thing, with the crowds and stuff reacting to your playing, it does sound interesting and immersive. However I fear it'll get reduced to a tired gimmick and everyone will just start noticing the same people in the same position, loop points, same reactions, etc. Basically spot the man behind the curtain, and the illusion of playing to a live audience will be ruined. I think their target audience isn't so much the hardcore music gamer who plays the game every week, it's people who play it for a month and then stop forever, maybe busting it out at parties. It's harder for that audience to get sick of the canned FMVs, and that audience will ALSO eat up the actual-music-video stuff. I think they're going to make a mint off of the 360/PS3/mobile base. As someone pointed out before release, the note highway/etc. really does invoke Beatmania a little bit.
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Apr 14, 2015 15:57
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Yeah, no thanks. I'm not even sold on buying a new console, let alone new instruments. And the live action poo poo is lame. *I'M* supposed to be the one fake-ily flailing around with an instrument, not some douchebags on the screen...
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Apr 14, 2015 16:02
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With that new guitar and Harmonix's desire to maintain legacy DLC and instruments, it's very likely that neither game's instruments (or at least the guitars) will be cross compatible like they used to be. I hope whoever buys both games enjoys having even more plastic instruments cluttering up their living room.  I also wonder what all the Score Hero obsessed people think about the new casual friendly guitar. I imagine they must be blowing their lids right now. "Goddamn casuals ruinin' our perfect and deep game  "
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Apr 14, 2015 16:03
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Oh, and if the "TV" mode doesn't use stems (which it looks like it might not), that gives them a MUCH bigger song library to play with. As they start dropping big names that RB can't get because of stems, it will be harder to defend RB to your average person who doesn't know or care about stems. I'd love to play a demo of this. Right now I'm kind of "meh" overall, because I prefer the band experience, but I'm still a music game junkie at heart. If it doesn't play like poo poo I'd consider it.
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Apr 14, 2015 16:05
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So if Guitar Hero Love is billing The War on Drugs as one of its marquee bands... Rock Band gets Sun Kil Moon now right?
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Apr 14, 2015 16:11
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pksage posted:Oh, and if the "TV" mode doesn't use stems (which it looks like it might not), that gives them a MUCH bigger song library to play with. As they start dropping big names that RB can't get because of stems, it will be harder to defend RB to your average person who doesn't know or care about stems. Not to derail but "stems" are just the long notes right? If so why does that make a difference with their music licensing? Edward IV posted:I also wonder what all the Score Hero obsessed people think about the new casual friendly guitar. I imagine they must be blowing their lids right now. "Goddamn casuals ruinin' our perfect and deep game And I'm not sure how casual friendly it is exactly to be honest, considering it does have six buttons. I think the three lane highway gives a false sense that it's easier, but it isn't. I'm sure on expert it'll still be difficult enough for the try hards to master. Even on earlier games, on easy difficulty you used only three buttons right? So if anything it's stayed the same at least, and at most gotten harder with an extra button.
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Apr 14, 2015 16:14
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KiddieGrinder posted:Not to derail but "stems" are just the long notes right? If so why does that make a difference with their music licensing? Stems = "master tracks" = the separate music files for guitar, bass, drums, etc. that make it possible for Rock Band to mute a track when you miss a note. Lots of bands either don't have their master tracks anymore or refuse to license them out, making it near-impossible to get them in Rock Band. Custom songs like we release at C3 usually don't have stems, so the music doesn't drop out when you miss a note, but it lets us provide a broader variety of songs. farottone did a poll a while back on this topic, and a lot of our users actually preferred that the music NOT drop out.
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Apr 14, 2015 16:16
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pksage posted:Stems = "master tracks" Ah thank you, makes sense.  Then yeah I bet that would open up a lot of options for music.
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Apr 14, 2015 16:23
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Edward IV posted:With that new guitar and Harmonix's desire to maintain legacy DLC and instruments, it's very likely that neither game's instruments (or at least the guitars) will be cross compatible like they used to be. I hope whoever buys both games enjoys having even more plastic instruments cluttering up their living room. This doesn't mean anything for the future of Rock Band instruments. As Gaspar Lewis points out, it means Activision didn't want to pay patent royalties to Harmonix any more. Hardware licensing might still be the stumbling block but there's no way Rock Band's note layout isn't the same.
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Apr 14, 2015 16:29
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Well, not as many patent licensing fees. The note highway is still 3D/approaching the player at any rate. Then again if the flattened it they might have to pay Konami.
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ElwoodCuse posted:This doesn't mean anything for the future of Rock Band instruments. As Gaspar Lewis points out, it means Activision didn't want to pay patent royalties to Harmonix any more. Hardware licensing might still be the stumbling block but there's no way Rock Band's note layout isn't the same.
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Apr 14, 2015 16:36
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They should have just teamed up with omegle and had the game randomly assign you actual viewers from a pool and then you'd have to try your best to play the latest Maroon 5 song while some guy waves his dick in your face.
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Apr 14, 2015 16:37
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The GHTV thing is interesting to me and a new button layout. For someone who doesn't have a ton of time to play it's appealing.
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Edward IV posted:I also wonder what all the Score Hero obsessed people think about the new casual friendly guitar. I imagine they must be blowing their lids right now. "Goddamn casuals ruinin' our perfect and deep game As the local scorehero obsessed person, the reaction to the guitar is mostly "that's interesting, want to see what they can do with two lanes" with a bit of "too simple, don't care." The lid-blowing is from everything else about the game (SKRILLLLEXXXXXXXX??????!? is coming up a lot, as SH only wants Dream Theatre-esque prog rock for the most part). The sentiment as a whole is more or less being sold on RB4 from what I've gathered. A few of people were defending the game prior to today by hyping up FreeStyleGames developing, but they seem to have fallen silent for the most part. smokyprogg fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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I like the concept of the new button layout and would love to try it. Still not sold on the game though until I see how the song list, how DLC will work, and pricing. Edit: I hope you can skip that unbearably long intro to the FMV crowd stuff. 1:15 just to get into a song? No thanks.
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ElwoodCuse posted:They might be able to convince me to buy new instruments because hey, new console, but that note and button layout can gently caress right off Basically my feelings, I feel like the classic layout just loving works. I'll probably give this one a skip, God knows I should be practicing my actual guitar-playing anyway. Not that I cared about it at all but I guess there's also zero character customisation or outfits/custom guitars to unlock. Not blown away to be honest, don't even have a next-gen console yet anyway. Also sounds like "When You Were Young" returns once again, which is fair, I like some Killers stuff but I've heard it before, also not really into Fall Out Boy.
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Apr 14, 2015 16:59
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initial new ideas are alright but lol at the loving awful preliminary artists they listed. what's going to make or break this is the tracklist and Guitar Hero is already losing that battle against the entire past library being brought back to RB4.
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Apr 14, 2015 17:01
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sout posted:don't even have a next-gen console yet anyway. That's the thing, this is also for 360/PS3/Wii U/mobile. I really think they're gonna be successful on this fact alone. Obviously Harmonix has better market metrics than I do, but anecdotally, I know a lot of people have been sitting on the decision to buy an XB1/PS4.
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Gaspar Lewis posted:So if Guitar Hero Love is billing The War on Drugs as one of its marquee bands... Rock Band gets Sun Kil Moon now right? if Red Eyes ends up as a Guitar Hero exclusive I will burn Activision to the ground (unless RB gets An Ocean In Between The Waves)
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Apr 14, 2015 17:08
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Interesting to note that, if I'm not mistaken, they are boasting a total of 1 "classic" rock band (The Rolling Stones), so the demo is pretty clear. I have to say one thing about the gameplay: am I the only one who finds it a bit "empty"?
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Apr 14, 2015 17:16
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pksage posted:That's the thing, this is also for 360/PS3/Wii U/mobile. I really think they're gonna be successful on this fact alone. Obviously Harmonix has better market metrics than I do, but anecdotally, I know a lot of people have been sitting on the decision to buy an XB1/PS4. Huh, did not realise this. I wonder if the controller will at least work across the consoles or have different versions like with the PS3/Xbox/Wii
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If the game is first person, could they combine it with VR headsets? Is that technically feasible with live action? That'd be a pretty cool selling point I imagine.
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Apr 14, 2015 17:19
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They're using the Star Trek font (or at least something heavily inspired) for the logo? LOL. As long as they don't completely ruin the market like they did the last time Activision/GH can do what they want I suppose.
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Spalec posted:If the game is first person, could they combine it with VR headsets? Is that technically feasible with live action? I think it's possible, they'd have to film everything with 360 camera setups and it might not be as seamless as with rendered VR, this is if people would be willing to buy two add-ons to play a rhythm game though.
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farottone posted:Interesting to note that, if I'm not mistaken, they are boasting a total of 1 "classic" rock band (The Rolling Stones), so the demo is pretty clear. I have to say one thing about the gameplay: am I the only one who finds it a bit "empty"? Like I said in the PS4 thread, I don't play plastic guitar to feel like a real guitar, I play it for a good rhythm game, which this doesn't seem like.
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For VR I'd imagine they'd have to record stuff in a 360° view all around, for any level of performance they've accounted for, and with enough variety so it's not blatantly the same clips playing across all the songs. Mostly a question of budget, recording technology and disc space, but infinitely easier to do in CG graphics. From a technical standpoint I'd be interested to know how they manage transitions between crowd states without creating the impression of jump cuts. Most likely whenever the reaction level changes, the POV moves towards another element. The crowd cheers, you gently caress up the solo, you look towards the singer who gives you the finger and then back to the crowd who are now throwing cups, and so on. farottone posted:Interesting to note that, if I'm not mistaken, they are boasting a total of 1 "classic" rock band (The Rolling Stones), so the demo is pretty clear. My Lovely Horse fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Apr 14, 2015 |
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