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My theory going into today was that Beet attempting to lead two lunches against confirmed town would be sufficient evidence that he should be lynched. Then I could see who still voted to save Beet, I wouldn't have to reveal and I might get another investigation tonight. I'm not saying it was a good theory, but here we are.
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Asphyxious posted:Wait what? How does that make any sense. Final ploy huh? First you failed, then Birdstrike character role claim failed, then he wants us to believe he's sat on that investigation result for four or so hours, then you come in trying reasonable. Nice trying to distance each other after your flip. quote:
Like we never saw someone dumb enough to lynch the person they were being attacked by all day 1? Like someone claiming a role they really aren't like nurse? Like someone being a framer and then suggesting there was maybe a framer involved when they were investigated as scum? Nah scum don't take those risks do they?
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Apr 20, 2015 06:37
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Haha, lunches.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:37
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Asphyxious posted:Wait what? How does that make any sense. yeah, this I don't get. Lylo is dangerous for town, not for scum. Only thing I can think is that we're expecting that there are only two scum. If scum loses one player, that's still half their number.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:37
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Gaspy the characters aren't consistent with town/scum. Jojo can be (is!) scum.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:40
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Those On My Left posted:yeah, this I don't get. Lylo is dangerous for town, not for scum. Uhh it's not dangerous for scum, it's win for scum. All they need to do get this lynch and they've won. Why not go all in? They lynch me, the game is in the bag. You would throw everything on the line to win would you not?
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Apr 20, 2015 06:40
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Those On My Left posted:yeah, this I don't get. Lylo is dangerous for town, not for scum. That's still not a "DO OR DIE ALL IN" situation.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:40
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Matthew Beet posted:Uhh it's not dangerous for scum, it's win for scum. All they need to do get this lynch and they've won. Why not go all in? They lynch me, the game is in the bag. You would throw everything on the line to win would you not? But it's not as it's the kind of thing that could bite them on the rear end.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:41
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Matthew Beet posted:Uhh it's not dangerous for scum, it's win for scum. All they need to do get this lynch and they've won. Why not go all in? They lynch me, the game is in the bag. You would throw everything on the line to win would you not? here's your answer to "why not go all in". if they can leave town to its own devices, and if town fucks this lynch up, scum live to fight another day, and still have a chance to win the game. alternatively, if they "go all in" - if birdstrike comes to gaspy's rescue by falsely accusing you, but no one buys it and everyone lynches gaspy instead - then birdstrike is hosed on the next day, and scum loses. it's actually a risky scum play, not a safe one.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:42
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Asphyxious posted:That's still not a "DO OR DIE ALL IN" situation. Yes it is. If you two lynch me you've won the game. The game ends after the night kill. No game tomorrow. This is not hard to understand.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:44
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Matthew Beet posted:Final ploy huh? First you failed, then Birdstrike character role claim failed, then he wants us to believe he's sat on that investigation result for four or so hours, then you come in trying reasonable. Are you trying to make me mad again to keep me on the back foot because it won't work. I've risen above it.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:44
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Matthew Beet posted:Yes it is. If you two lynch me you've won the game. The game ends after the night kill. No game tomorrow. This is not hard to understand. Given that I'm town the same logic then actually applies to you and TOML and you think you're being oh so clever by lampshading it.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:46
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Those On My Left posted:here's your answer to "why not go all in". if they can leave town to its own devices, and if town fucks this lynch up, scum live to fight another day, and still have a chance to win the game. alternatively, if they "go all in" - if birdstrike comes to gaspy's rescue by falsely accusing you, but no one buys it and everyone lynches gaspy instead - then birdstrike is hosed on the next day, and scum loses. it's actually a risky scum play, not a safe one. If they lynch me they win. Why not throw all in? There is no day tomorrow if they lynch me. This is the end game toml! Scum should be trying to risk it all, and they've come out strong with four different tactics against me because I'm the exposed one from the Mith lynch.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:46
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Matthew Beet posted:Yes it is. If you two lynch me you've won the game. The game ends after the night kill. No game tomorrow. This is not hard to understand. no beet, that's you explaining how scum can wrap things up today. but if scum fail today, and one of them gets lynched, scum is still alive, and can fight on and still has a chance to win later. but if town fucks up today, and lynches a townie, then another townie dies tonight, and scum controls the voting tomorrow. that means it's "do or die" for TOWN, not for scum
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Apr 20, 2015 06:47
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Those On My Left posted:here's your answer to "why not go all in". if they can leave town to its own devices, and if town fucks this lynch up, scum live to fight another day, and still have a chance to win the game. alternatively, if they "go all in" - if birdstrike comes to gaspy's rescue by falsely accusing you, but no one buys it and everyone lynches gaspy instead - then birdstrike is hosed on the next day, and scum loses. it's actually a risky scum play, not a safe one. Trying to be reasonable to distance yourself from Beet eh?
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Apr 20, 2015 06:47
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Matthew Beet posted:Yes it is. If you two lynch not-me I've won the game. The game ends after the night kill. No game tomorrow. This is not hard to understand. fixed it for you
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Apr 20, 2015 06:47
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Asphyxious posted:Are you trying to make me mad again to keep me on the back foot because it won't work. I've risen above it. Well no, because I'm not playing the person I'm playing the game. Stop trying to obfuscate the facts.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:48
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Asphyxious posted:Trying to be reasonable to distance yourself from Beet eh? lol, can it gaspy i'm town and you'll find that out soon enough
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Apr 20, 2015 06:48
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Matthew Beet posted:Well no, because I'm not playing the person I'm playing the game. Stop trying to obfuscate the facts. I'm literally not obfuscating anything. Thought I'd been pretty upfront honestly.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:49
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Those On My Left posted:lol, can it gaspy Hhhhhhhhhhow?
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Apr 20, 2015 06:49
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Asphyxious posted:Given that I'm town the same logic then actually applies to you and TOML and you think you're being oh so clever by lampshading it. The logic still stands though, you just defeated what you're saying. The fact is for the same reasons you had scored up three votes over today's discussion is that you're scum, and bird trying to defend you is scum.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:49
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Matthew Beet posted:The logic still stands though, you just defeated what you're saying. The giveaway is you're not even considering that I'm not scum. Despite the fact that I haven't actually done anything scummy. AND after you lead a lynch on a town. You're running hot and loud but there's nothing there. I'm confident that others will see that.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:52
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Asphyxious posted:Hhhhhhhhhhow? the ggggggggggggggggggame will eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeend
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Apr 20, 2015 06:52
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All of the case against Gaspy is "he's posting in a way I don't like." The case against Beet is based on - cop results - leading two lynches, one successful against confirmed town and if you don't understand my Gaspy breadcrumbing theory, you don't have to, but the actual evidence against Beet is more than just the way he's posting, okay?
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Apr 20, 2015 06:53
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Those On My Left posted:No beet, that's you explaining how scum can wrap things up today. Yes it is do or die for town, and scum have gone all in for the reason I bolded. They are trying to wrap it up and win. The unbolded part doesn't matter if they win. They are taking a risk, I think I even called it a gambit before. I've acknowledge this. You've never tried a risky strategy to win a game before ?
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Apr 20, 2015 06:53
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so the thing i still don't get is this if beet was scum, why did he push so hard on mith? i still reckon that's a risky scum play
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Apr 20, 2015 06:53
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Town should be playing cautiously and open to input, Beet is just saying ITS HIM GET HIM over and over again.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:53
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Those On My Left posted:so the thing i still don't get is this Exactly. And every other post by Beet is claiming that "oh scum wouldn't be so bold to do that!". You can almost hear him winking.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:54
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Asphyxious posted:Trying to be reasonable to distance yourself from Beet eh? TOML look at this. There's that arrogant confidence you saw this morning. He knows you're hesitating. He's trying to force you to defend yourself and distance further from me and possibly not vote with me.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:55
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Asphyxious posted:Exactly. And every other post by Beet is claiming that "oh scum wouldn't be so bold to do that!". You can almost hear him winking. actually he did the same thing with a NK in a game a few months ago, and won because everyone was like "nahhhhh that's just scum trying to frame beet"
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Apr 20, 2015 06:56
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Those On My Left posted:so the thing i still don't get is this Mith's D2 posts about self hammering were really really anti-town. We're both town (according to my results) and we both went with it, it really wasn't a risky move for scum at all.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:56
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Asphyxious posted:The giveaway is you're not even considering that I'm not scum. Despite the fact that I haven't actually done anything scummy. AND after you lead a lynch on a town. You're running hot and loud but there's nothing there. I'm confident that others will see that. Because I know I'm town and I know bird is lying. So why would he lie and expose himself to defend you if you weren't scum?
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Apr 20, 2015 06:56
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Matthew Beet posted:TOML look at this. There's that arrogant confidence you saw this morning. He knows you're hesitating. He's trying to force you to defend yourself and distance further from me and possibly not vote with me. Or it's me pointing out your logic applies to you too. And making a joke. But you seem pretty desperate.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:57
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Birdstrike posted:Mith's D2 posts about self hammering were really really anti-town. We're both town (according to my results) and we both went with it, it really wasn't a risky move for scum at all. okay. thing is even if i vote for beet you need another vote. is it going to be seagull or gwyn?
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Apr 20, 2015 06:58
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Asphyxious posted:Town should be playing cautiously and open to input, Beet is just saying ITS HIM GET HIM over and over again. No I've actually out forward ample reasons this morning. I'm on my phone atm and can't go back to quote them all.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:58
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Matthew Beet posted:Because I know I'm town and I know bird is lying. So why would he lie and expose himself to defend you if you weren't scum? So because a cop investigated you and you came up scum we should lynch me. Got it.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:58
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Those On My Left posted:okay. Okay i'm off to get my kids and wife. Laters all. Sorry toml. You're wrong and you've been fooled.
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Apr 20, 2015 06:59
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I'm actually starting to lean more toward beet now. For me it's now a toss up between him and birdstrike (he might be lying after all)
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Matthew Beet posted:Because I know I'm town and I know bird is lying. So why would he lie and expose himself to defend you if you weren't scum? Nobody suspected me of being scum today until I started defending Gaspy. Why the hell would I take that risk if I'm scum? Alternatively we have a town one vote away from hammer in a lylo situation. That's a huge risk for town, and it one I felt worth taking.
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