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El Gallinero Gros posted:How dare you impugn the drawing power of Mikey Whipwreck and Dave Finlay I would gladly pay to watch Finlay kick Whipwreck in the skull. A lot.
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Is there any real reason why an FMW revival would actually draw when BJW already exists and Onita could probably serve as an ambassador there?
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a retard posted:Is there any real reason why an FMW revival would actually draw when BJW already exists and Onita could probably serve as an ambassador there? FMW wasn't just a DM fed, they had some really good joshi matches, judo for some reason, hard hitting non-DM matches and a really weird collection of gaijin. The idea was to offer something for everyone. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Apr 10, 2015 |
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Apr 10, 2015 00:44
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Didn't see this mentioned anywhere, but Dave noted that Kobashi's wife is pregnant. Pretty sure that kid will learn a half-nelson suplex before he learns to speak.
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a retard posted:Is there any real reason why an FMW revival would actually draw when BJW already exists and Onita could probably serve as an ambassador there? Nah, it's yet another dumb revival that will fail.
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a retard posted:Is there any real reason why an FMW revival would actually draw when BJW already exists and Onita could probably serve as an ambassador there? everyone needs their boutique legacy fed dammit.
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a retard posted:Is there any real reason why an FMW revival would actually draw when BJW already exists and Onita could probably serve as an ambassador there? what EGG said, FMW was a fair bit more than it's remembered for/was marketed as. this is gonna fail btw has Kikutaro and Masato Tanaka, though, so there's that
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FMW has had several revivals. Onita has retired and returned several times. It's exactly the same as with ECW: appealing to the hardcore fans of hardcore wrestling. Sometimes the comeback works for a little while, sometimes it fails right out of the gate. Right now, Onita is on a decent run for himself. He's shown up in several promotions (briefly), he's drawn a handful of solid (by current standards) gates for his Zero1-aligned explosion deathmatch shows. This is good timing. But it won't mean anything a year from now.
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Apr 10, 2015 04:26
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just wanna affirm, in terms of size and popularity, is it safe to say that the most popular companies in japan are as follows?: NJPW Dragon Gate DDT NOAH Wrestle-1 Zero-1 AJPW
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I'd put AJPW above Zero-1 and Wrestle-1 but yeah that's about right
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Apr 10, 2015 07:06
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BJW probably falls in there somewhere along with Dradition and RJPW if those two still exist. Probably whatever other splinter feds there are still floating around, not counting Ice Ribbon, Oz, Stardom, Sendai Girls, and w/e other Joshis exist.
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FMW was a success for two reasons: Onita and garbage wrestling. The martial arts poo poo he attempted early on was a flop. The new styles he tried to incorporate were a flop. If FMW was doing well it was because Onita was on top. This meant lots of insane death matches to cover up his limitations.
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Ah poo poo, I forgot about Big Japan. List should probably read NJPW Dragon Gate DDT NOAH AJPW Big Japan Zero-1 Wrestle-1 I'm honestly surprised the last two are even still in business BattleARTS has been dead for a while, right? e: actually yeah, Ice Ribbon probably deserves a spot in there somewhere Horns fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Apr 10, 2015 |
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W-1's attendance figures look better than AJPW's when I see them, they just come with the caveat that I am pretty sure W-1 is spending way more.
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You also have IGF which draws halfway decent for the few shows they run but are increasingly more of a hybrid promotion anyway.
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it's really interesting when you try to consider where places draw (DG draws best in Kobe. All Japan just "drew" 1410 in Okinawa this week). Big Japan drew better than NOAH or Wrestle-1 at Korauken last week but it was a bigger card than the others, and All Japan drew under a thousand there the week before. NOAH isn't experiencing any sort of a bounce they wanted with the Suzukigun invasion. If we are just going recent business wise I'd go: NJPW DG DDT IGF (It's so rare though so that's a caveat with me putting it there) Big Japan NOAH Wrestle-1 All Japan Garbage Indies/Vanity Feds. I can't find actual numbers for Zero-One cards so I can't really place them, but they'd be in that Wrestle-1/All Japan tier considering how little buzz they get outside of Masato Tanaka. MassRafTer posted:W-1's attendance figures look better than AJPW's when I see them, they just come with the caveat that I am pretty sure W-1 is spending way more. Mutoh has some high rolling money marks IIRC so it's really their money he's spending. NotQuiteQuentin fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Apr 10, 2015 |
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NotQuiteQuentin posted:it's really interesting when you try to consider where places draw (DG draws best in Kobe. All Japan just "drew" 1410 in Okinawa this week). Big Japan drew better than NOAH or Wrestle-1 at Korauken last week but it was a bigger card than the others, and All Japan drew under a thousand there the week before. NOAH isn't experience any sort of a bounce they wanted with the Suzukigun invasion. If we are just going recent business wise I'd go: I'd love to know who is backing IGF (besides the obvious.) The amount of money they lose per show has to be staggering. I forget which kickboxer was getting 20K per match but I bet he wasn't the only one.
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MassRafTer posted:FMW was a success for two reasons: Onita and garbage wrestling. The martial arts poo poo he attempted early on was a flop. The new styles he tried to incorporate were a flop. If FMW was doing well it was because Onita was on top. This meant lots of insane death matches to cover up his limitations. One of their biggest drawing shows ever was headlined by Hayabusa vs Mr.Gannosuke. It drew 16,000. That said, it is the exception to the rule. Edit: What exactly happened with Yoshiko when she shot on her opponent? Why'd they have heat? El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Apr 10, 2015 |
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Edit: What exactly happened with Yoshiko when she shot on her opponent? Why'd they have heat? They had heat for unknown reasons that basically go back to Yoshiko just not liking her. Then at the last minute the match was changed from non title to a title match with Yoshiko being booked to drop her strap which led to her going into business for herself.
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Apparently Morishima has retired or is retiring. Haven't watched him in a long time, but I loved that guy.
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HulkaMatt posted:Apparently Morishima has retired or is retiring. Haven't watched him in a long time, but I loved that guy. His matches against KENTA and Yuji Nagata last year for the GHC title are worth checking out. I knew he was hurt but I had no clue it was this bad. NOAH's looking really sad right now, I have no clue who's going to take the belt back from MiSu unless they drag Kobashi out of retirement (which I''d kinda like to see if only because Kaze Ni Nare and Grand Sword would be the best entrance music combo possible).
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Skinty McEdger posted:They had heat for unknown reasons that basically go back to Yoshiko just not liking her. Then at the last minute the match was changed from non title to a title match with Yoshiko being booked to drop her strap which led to her going into business for herself. Kimura and Act both got a lot of sympathy, Kimura who was known kind of as a legitimate hard-rear end who competed in death matches a lot, and ACT who refused to be taken out of the match screaming "I'm a professional wrestler!" STARDOM has said that they're not opposed to brining back Yoshiko, but they won't do so until after ACT comes back to the company. Act herself says she hopes that people don't hold this against Yoshiko and hopes they can still be friends despite what's happened, almost as if she's resigned to believing she's the issue here and not a 20 year old immature bully.
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HulkaMatt posted:Apparently Morishima has retired or is retiring. Haven't watched him in a long time, but I loved that guy. http://blog.livedoor.jp/hbkidcool-enuhito/1024912084.html Apparently it's because of bad blood test results.
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the latest AJPW show was really solid from top to bottom. i think they are generally better than NOAH right now.
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Morishima looked very silly the last couple years with the blonde bowl cut and the neckbeard. I wish his matches were up to that ROH run but he was still pretty solid
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Spermgod posted:the latest AJPW show was really solid from top to bottom. i think they are generally better than NOAH right now. AJPW has kicked rear end this year in-ring, and Shiozaki has been a great TC champ. Too bad they can't draw flies.
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I generally like NOAH's big matches more but the rest of the card is a ghost town. AJPW is off to a great start so far
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NOAH's drawn me in due to the Suzuki-gun invasion. I can well believe that AJPW provides a better show on the whole but I really don't care about most of their roster and I watch way too much loving wrestling as is. I honestly had no clue who the current Triple Crown champ was until a minute ago.
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Seeing the recent BJPW show with the Sekimoto/Ishikawa title match (which is great) have a significantly larger Korakuen crowd than the Shiozaki/Miyahara TC match (which is also great) made me kind of sad. Akiyama needs to start sucking up to Kidani big time.
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It's like, can the promoters really be THIS stubborn? For THIS long?! How the hell are there more heavyweight promotions than 5 years ago rather than less?? It was a joke ten years ago that the worse things got, the more promotions opened... and suddenly I'm thinking about joshi and I don't like where this train of thought leads.
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Ditch posted:It's like, can the promoters really be THIS stubborn? For THIS long?! How the hell are there more heavyweight promotions than 5 years ago rather than less?? It was a joke ten years ago that the worse things got, the more promotions opened... and suddenly I'm thinking about joshi and I don't like where this train of thought leads. Do you think that if all three "major" feds in the AJPW family tree re-combined into one promotion they'd have enough talent to have a shot at returning to some sort of relevance?
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I just went to look up to confirm if Zero-One still existed because I couldn't remember.
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Fauxhawk Express posted:I just went to look up to confirm if Zero-One still existed because I couldn't remember. Yep, they have some decent tag matches thanks to being the home of Masato Tanaka at least. Hell, I'm pretty sure that the only mens' feds (I know gently caress all about joshi) to fold in recent years are HUSTLE and the two that Taijiri started after HUSTLE folded (SMASH and Wrestling New Classic). gently caress even on the tiny indie side, Osaka Pro managed to stay alive after originally announcing they were going under.
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Now that Kobashi has returned to the fold there could be some small chance of Akiyama working with NOAH at least?
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Thauros posted:Do you think that if all three "major" feds in the AJPW family tree re-combined into one promotion they'd have enough talent to have a shot at returning to some sort of relevance? Probably, but I don't know if the roster's the problem since they already have solid shows. If we're talking fewer promotions in general, NJPW should probably just absorb NOAH at this point.
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Sasaki also shut down Diamond Ring IIRC.Spermgod posted:Now that Kobashi has returned to the fold there could be some small chance of Akiyama working with NOAH at least? I hope so, since I believe the main issue was that Akiyama loving hated Nakata long before the Kobashi fiasco and he's now out of the picture. Also because grumpy battlin' old man Akiyama is absolutely wonderful. He would be so great as the NXT end boss. hunnert car pileup fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Apr 21, 2015 |
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I really want to see Akiyama vs Suzuki
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Thauros posted:Yep, they have some decent tag matches thanks to being the home of Masato Tanaka at least. Hell, I'm pretty sure that the only mens' feds (I know gently caress all about joshi) to fold in recent years are HUSTLE and the two that Taijiri started after HUSTLE folded (SMASH and Wrestling New Classic). gently caress even on the tiny indie side, Osaka Pro managed to stay alive after originally announcing they were going under. RIP BattleARTS  Munenori Sawa even retired as a result which is a goddamn shame because gently caress that dude was awesome
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While it's sad that AJPW's holding Triple Crown matches in Osaka Bodymaker #2 in front of sub ROH sized crowds, I'm at least relieved to find out that Tom Lister isn't competing for the Triple Crown in 2015 and that their Zeus is some Osaka Pro guy. http://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=4615&page=20 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hv6dv
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