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Mister Adequate posted:I will participate in my civic duty of voting for a candidate to represent me in the Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. can't discard the nationalist label and still maintain a left-ish image without being called out for running on policies that favour the middle class
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Mister Adequate posted:I will participate in my civic duty of voting for a candidate to represent me in the Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. For a moment I forgot you weren't in Norn Iron anymore and was about to remind you that you had a full plethora of nationalist parties to vote for.
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If you lived in Thanet would you vote Tory to keep Farage out? I hate them as much as the next person, but one extra Tory MP is going to be a lot less damaging than Farage getting into parliament.
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Apr 24, 2015 08:33
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The discussion of "free" education in Scotland versus "fees" in England is very misleading. In both systems, students pay nothing up-front for their education (and receive additional funding to cover living costs while they study) but hopefully repay its cost through taxes during their subsequent working life. The only difference is that in England, graduates (being comparatively well off on the whole) are required to pay a small supplemental progressive income tax once their earnings exceed a certain threshold. In effect, Scotland has opted to give a large subsidy to the educated middle classes whereas England has opted to tax them a bit more highly so that the money can be spent on other things.
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Apr 24, 2015 08:44
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twoot posted:Before the tuition fees increase there was a significant increase in the number of applicants, and reduction in number taking un-deferred gap years; students and/or those who advise them are not entirely stupid. Cambridge for £9k vs Cambridge for £3k is a different choice than Cambridge for £9k vs Edinburgh for £0. quote:England is the odd one out in Europe on fees.
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Apr 24, 2015 08:46
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Cerv posted:A blip caused by circumstances that's won't repeat.  but British sovreignty
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XMNN posted:If you lived in Thanet would you vote Tory to keep Farage out? I hate them as much as the next person, but one extra Tory MP is going to be a lot less damaging than Farage getting into parliament. Although I don't usually like tactical voting, yes. He is so odious.
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Apr 24, 2015 09:14
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Prince John posted:I would argue that the experience of Ireland has shown this isn't a valid objection. You won't pay tuition fees there, it's practically on the doorstep and the culture/language are similarly close, yet they haven't been swamped. As a person with a pretty RP accent and no social awareness at all I would worry that if I went to Ireland I'd go somewhere where English People Don't Go and be murdered.
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Apr 24, 2015 09:17
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There are still a few vacancies for the GE in Aberdeenshire, including standby roles in Aberdeen, Inverurie and Ellon and polling clerk positions in Bridge of Don, Inverurie, Tullynessle, Meiklemill and Pitmedden. Anyone interested should contact gordonelections@aberdeenshire.gov.uk with name, address, contact details and location to be considered for. Standby workers can be called up at any time up to and including on the day, but will receive a payment even if not used.
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LemonDrizzle posted:The discussion of "free" education in Scotland versus "fees" in England is very misleading. In both systems, students pay nothing up-front for their education (and receive additional funding to cover living costs while they study) but hopefully repay its cost through taxes during their subsequent working life. The only difference is that in England, graduates (being comparatively well off on the whole) are required to pay a small supplemental progressive income tax once their earnings exceed a certain threshold. In effect, Scotland has opted to give a large subsidy to the educated middle classes whereas England has opted to tax them a bit more highly so that the money can be spent on other things. drat, if only it had been presented this way to the public. The media would have forced any politician who considered a "TAX ON THE MIDDLE CLASSES" to commit ritual suicide before they could go through with it.
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Apr 24, 2015 09:36
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XMNN posted:If you lived in Thanet would you vote Tory to keep Farage out? I hate them as much as the next person, but one extra Tory MP is going to be a lot less damaging than Farage getting into parliament. I'd campaign for labour and hope ukip split the conservative vote enough for a surprise win
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Apr 24, 2015 10:21
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XMNN posted:If you lived in Thanet would you vote Tory to keep Farage out? I hate them as much as the next person, but one extra Tory MP is going to be a lot less damaging than Farage getting into parliament. Why? Because of the pressure on an EU referendum or the continued existence of Ukip as a functioning party? Apparently the DUP are also pro-referendum and there's 8 of them. Although looking at the breakdown I can't see how it's possibly going to be anybody other than the SNP as kingmakers.
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Apr 24, 2015 10:25
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freebooter posted:Why? Because of the pressure on an EU referendum or the continued existence of Ukip as a functioning party? UKIP delenda est, while one more Tory backbencher probably won't matter.
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Apr 24, 2015 10:27
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blowfish posted:UKIP delenda est, while one more Tory backbencher probably won't matter. Now I'm imagining every question at PMQs being ended with that phrase. A cry for revolution from some senior judges: quote:Politicians in this election are failing to address the severe problems caused by deep cuts to the legal system, one former senior judge has warned, while another has called for a mass walkout by lawyers if the Conservatives are returned to power. Prince John fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Apr 24, 2015 |
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Apr 24, 2015 10:34
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Mister Adequate posted:However, I would prefer to be able to vote for SNP candidates. Nicola, please run people south of the border!
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tooterfish posted:I don't think she posts here, you'll have to ask on her myspace or something. Donate a forums account to her campaign?  Prince John posted:Now I'm imagining every question at PMQs being ended with that phrase. 
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tooterfish posted:I don't think she posts here, you'll have to ask on her myspace or something.
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XMNN posted:If you lived in Thanet would you vote Tory to keep Farage out? I hate them as much as the next person, but one extra Tory MP is going to be a lot less damaging than Farage getting into parliament. The issue with this is that if the tories have even one more seat than labour they are going to object to any ed miliband coalition as being a "losers coalition" and claim it is illegitimate. I don't think there is any seat where tactically voting tory would be justified.
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Prince John posted:Now I'm imagining every question at PMQs being ended with that phrase. I can never get over the time that Alexander Cameron (oh yes, relation) called out the government for loving up legal aid and blamed the state for not doing its job. I like to think it had lead to years of awkward dinners, though I doubt they actually have dinner together that often.
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Transport for London chief: commuter trains into capital are 'poo poo'quote:The man who oversees London’s tube and bus network has described national rail services running into the capital as “poo poo, awful” and “like the wild west”.
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LemonDrizzle posted:The discussion of "free" education in Scotland versus "fees" in England is very misleading. In both systems, students pay nothing up-front for their education (and receive additional funding to cover living costs while they study) but hopefully repay its cost through taxes during their subsequent working life. The only difference is that in England, graduates (being comparatively well off on the whole) are required to pay a small supplemental progressive income tax once their earnings exceed a certain threshold. In effect, Scotland has opted to give a large subsidy to the educated middle classes whereas England has opted to tax them a bit more highly so that the money can be spent on other things. Well poo poo, why didn't you say so? That sounds like a great idea, and not discriminatory in any way!
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pumpinglemma posted:So what you're saying is that instead of fees, it's an extra income tax for most or all of your working life, but one you (almost) only have to pay if you're born after 1994 or so. You know, since the young have benefited so much from every other coalition policy. Oh, except that the rich can avoid it for their entire lives in exchange for a one-off lump sum. And the rights to collection of this tax can, at any time, be sold to a private company. And the income threshold does not automatically rise with inflation. The principle can also be used to trash nearly any form of universalism. I'm surprised New Labour didn't deploy it more.
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freebooter posted:Why? Because of the pressure on an EU referendum or the continued existence of Ukip as a functioning party? The latter, Farage basically is Ukip and if he loses here his credibility will be utterly shot.
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Plus he said if he lost he'd gently caress off. In other news, Arms firms are taking over failing academies. http://schoolsweek.co.uk/europes-biggest-arms-firm-takes-on-failing-academy/ quote:The government has chosen an arms manufacturer as its preferred sponsor to turn around a failing academy in the north of England. I'm holding out hope that this is a viral marketing campaign for the new Metal Gear
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freebooter posted:Apparently the DUP are also pro-referendum and there's 8 of them. Soon to be 9 most likely
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Jedit posted:There are still a few vacancies for the GE in Aberdeenshire, including standby roles in Aberdeen, Inverurie and Ellon and polling clerk positions in Bridge of Don, Inverurie, Tullynessle, Meiklemill and Pitmedden. Anyone interested should contact gordonelections@aberdeenshire.gov.uk with name, address, contact details and location to be considered for. Whats gardenstown like for officers? I was thinking of going to visit the parents in law.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:The issue with this is that if the tories have even one more seat than labour they are going to object to any ed miliband coalition as being a "losers coalition" and claim it is illegitimate. I don't think there is any seat where tactically voting tory would be justified. Yeah, Australia had a minority government from 2010-2013 with Labour propped up by independents and the Greens, and the Tory opposition leader (now PM and noted torture apologist Tony Abbott) was constantly attacking its legitimacy and demanding an early election. It was a constant, excruciatingly irritating background noise.
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serious gaylord posted:Whats gardenstown like for officers? I was thinking of going to visit the parents in law. Looks like it's fine. There are vacancies for polling clerks at Fyvie and Forglen if you're in the area, though. Same address as before except sub Banff for Gordon.
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Regarding Ukip's future, I read somewhere - can't find it now - that their terrifying strategy is not necessarily to win many seats in 2015, but to come second in around 100 electorates and hope that Labour forms government. Then when the pendulum swings in the opposite direction again, and swinging voters get fed up with a Labour government, the 2020 election comes around and there's whole swathes of the north where the Tories are a total non-starter but Ukip has become a viable second party for disillusioned traditional Labour voters.
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freebooter posted:Regarding Ukip's future, I read somewhere - can't find it now - that their terrifying strategy is not necessarily to win many seats in 2015, but to come second in around 100 electorates and hope that Labour forms government. Then when the pendulum swings in the opposite direction again, and swinging voters get fed up with a Labour government, the 2020 election comes around and there's whole swathes of the north where the Tories are a total non-starter but Ukip has become a viable second party for disillusioned traditional Labour voters. I still can't wrap my head around the idea that you'd go from Labour to UKIP. It just betrays their sort of "just a protest vote" status.
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freebooter posted:. It was a constant, excruciatingly irritating background noise. That's Abbot all the time though
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Party Boat posted:The latter, Farage basically is Ukip and if he loses here his credibility will be utterly shot. Fartrage reaffirmed today that he'll stand down as the leader of the UKIP if he loses https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/591533070676840448 quote:Faisal Islam: do you regret saying you'll stand down if you lose? Who the hell would take over from him? The rest of the party is riddled with oddballs, the only reason anyone supports them is because of the false impression that ole Nige is one of us lads who likes a bit of pub bants with his ale and a fag. The resulting implosion of UKIP seems like a good reason to vote tory.
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Cerv posted:That's Abbot all the time though (Under the Statute of Westminster 1931, UMKT is still allowed to set thread titles for Auspol)
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Id be lying if I didnt entertain the idea of him getting in though. I would have liked to see Farage vs. Bercow. Or to have seen him get kicked out due to poor attendance or something. KayTee fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Apr 24, 2015 |
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freebooter posted:Regarding Ukip's future, I read somewhere - can't find it now - that their terrifying strategy is not necessarily to win many seats in 2015, but to come second in around 100 electorates and hope that Labour forms government. Then when the pendulum swings in the opposite direction again, and swinging voters get fed up with a Labour government, the 2020 election comes around and there's whole swathes of the north where the Tories are a total non-starter but Ukip has become a viable second party for disillusioned traditional Labour voters. They'd need to do something because by 2020 their core vote is going to start dying off.
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:Fartrage reaffirmed today that he'll stand down as the leader of the UKIP if he loses https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/591533070676840448 Most probably Carswell would since he's pretty much guaranteed to get re-elected - he's probably less crazy that your other options but that isn't saying a lot UKIP are probably hosed in the next election anyway unless something odd happens: if its too soon then the Tories could point at the results and claim that UKIP cost them a majority and try to squeeze their vote; too far away and the political moment and anti-political establishment thing that made UKIP popular starts to get further away: especially if Farage stands down and they're led by a guy who's been an MP for a while. Although there are the Euro elections in 2019 and that might spark the thing again, you can't really say. KayTee posted:Or to have seen him get kicked out due to poor attendance or something. this can't happen or galloway would have been gone a long time ago
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An FT smear piece tries to suggest that the business community is unhappy with the Tories:quote:Business leaders have become frustrated at the tactics and tone of the Conservative election campaign, amid concern in British boardrooms that Ed Miliband is mounting a stiffer challenge for Number 10 than expected. HSBC is likely to move its HQ out of London: quote:The board has therefore now asked management to commence work to look at where the best place is for HSBC to be headquartered in this new environment[...] And the Tory reaction: 
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pumpinglemma posted:So what you're saying is that instead of fees, it's an extra income tax for most or all of your working life, but one you (almost) only have to pay if you're born after 1994 or so. You know, since the young have benefited so much from every other coalition policy. Oh, except that the rich can avoid it for their entire lives in exchange for a one-off lump sum. And the rights to collection of this tax can, at any time, be sold to a private company. And the income threshold does not automatically rise with inflation. More to the point, if you want a more generous state with better funded social services, we are all going to have to start paying a bit more tax. We pay much lower taxes than we used to before Maggie came along, and substantially lower rates than the citizens of most other European countries. That necessarily reduces the funding available for services such as the NHS, welfare, social care, and schools. It seems insane for someone supposedly on the left to oppose one of the few measures taken in recent years to directly address this problem.
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Party Boat posted:They'd need to do something because by 2020 their core vote is going to start dying off. Or alternatively, it might even grow. If we assume that a large part of the UKIP vote are disenfranchised working class in their 40s-50s, then they'll only start to become OAPs by 2020, in which case their propensity to vote increases accordingly.
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Prince John posted:Quite randomly, a letter from Shirley Williams regarding the SNP was emailed to me, specifically wanting to highlight their opinion of the SNP's record to the English, given their newly enhanced profile south of the border. I normally have quite a lot of time for her opinions, so I'll repost it here: Got to the beds claim (that 1,000 fewer beds are available now than in 2012), looked up the England figures and found that England has 6,000 fewer beds available now compared to 2012. Anyway, we all know that politics isn't about facts so I'll go back to not posting again
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