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Cerv posted:You're optimistic. I'm sure that's just their established position on consenting adult sex.
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Cerv posted:You're optimistic. They may not hate them anymore, but that doesn't make them not scared of them.
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Hoops posted:They're doing exactly what they believe in, it's not a surprise. The main British parties all span a fairly narrow, 21st century socially capitalist economic platform. But never forget that they're all thatcherites still and it's clear what they really want. The Tories long ago stopped hating blacks, browns and gays but they will never (can never) believe that the government can spend your money better than you can. I don't think that side of the right wing can ever be defeated, it's intrinsic to some people to not understand socialism. You counting Jews there?
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Hoops posted:The Tories long ago stopped hating blacks, browns and gays but they will never (can never) believe that the government can spend your money better than you can. Except they're literally planning to run a surplus, which by definition is collecting more tax than they need to cover spending. That's their public story anyway (which as far as I'm concerned is a stepping stone to permanent tax breaks after slashing public spending), but it's still completely contrary to this public position Also don't be too sure about giving them pure ancap status - don't forget, this is the party of the rich and powerful, they have no problem at all making government work in their class interests, and that includes taxing the right people and funneling as much money as possible into the right hands. They're reconfiguring the public sector as purely a buyer of private services (which a lot of them have personal stakes in), and they don't want to cut off that revenue stream
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baka kaba posted:Except they're literally planning to run a surplus, which by definition is collecting more tax than they need to cover spending. That's their public story anyway (which as far as I'm concerned is a stepping stone to permanent tax breaks after slashing public spending), but it's still completely contrary to this public position They're planning to do that by cutting spending and taxes though. And privatising everything so that what they do spend is putting it directly back into the hands of private organisations. So they take less money and don't spend any of it. They're against governments spending
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I was talking to a mate about a mass housing insulation drive, and had to be the dickhead pointing out that it wouldn't be possible, because it would be a huge investment that would reduce the profit margins of energy utilities and involve inspections into the standards of large scale landlords. It's a definite failure of Thatcherite privatisation that each utility has to act as an atomised unit.
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Apr 29, 2015 00:52
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Vitamin P posted:failure of Thatcherite privatisation Ah, a rare double redundancy.
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OwlFancier posted:They're planning to do that by cutting spending and taxes though. And privatising everything so that what they do spend is putting it directly back into the hands of private organisations. They do spend it, that's the whole idea - the burden is shifted away from the wealthy onto everyone else, and then that money pile is funneled into a selection of private companies like G4S and Serco which are basically state-apparatus-for-hire, and other specialised major corporations like healthcare companies. It's wealth redistribution except the bad way around, taking money from everyone in the private sector through taxation, and then directing it back to capitalists so they can skim a profit. Don't forget that the state needs to exist, either in itself or by proxy - it's there to protect the status quo and dilute the conditions that threaten dissent or change. Maybe their endgame is a fully corporate state but I wouldn't bet on it, government power is practically a birthright for Tories
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Apr 29, 2015 02:21
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LemonDrizzle posted:tax increases will be banned I will suggest to the Labour election team that they counter this by promising to ban bad weather on bank holidays if THEY'RE elected.
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Apr 29, 2015 06:05
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Hoops posted:the government can spend your money better than you can. I don't think that side of the right wing can ever be defeated, it's intrinsic to some people to not understand socialism. You just explained what it is 
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Hoops posted:They're doing exactly what they believe in, it's not a surprise. The main British parties all span a fairly narrow, 21st century socially capitalist economic platform. But never forget that they're all thatcherites still and it's clear what they really want. The Tories long ago stopped hating blacks, browns and gays but they will never (can never) believe that the government can spend your money better than you can. I don't think that side of the right wing can ever be defeated, it's intrinsic to some people to not understand socialism. LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Apr 29, 2015 |
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It's being reported on the BBC as a 'freeze' on taxes. Which makes me wonder how many Tory voters will be disappointed at the prospect of no tax cuts for five years.
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Yeah I thought saying "we promise to enact a law that means we'll keep our promises" was a bit weird.
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Just heard Ed Balls say "I believe it's what the young people refer to as 'banter'" on the radio.  e: It wasn't anything horrible, he apparently called Russell Brand a pound-shop Ben Elton at some point. XMNN fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Apr 29, 2015 |
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Apr 29, 2015 08:29
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Its a joke. Like on top gear.
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Vitamin P posted:I was talking to a mate about a mass housing insulation drive, and had to be the dickhead pointing out that it wouldn't be possible, because it would be a huge investment that would reduce the profit margins of energy utilities and involve inspections into the standards of large scale landlords. This thread does love its conspiracy theories, but the mass housing insulation drive already exists. quote:What can you get? quote:Free loft and cavity wall insulation There's a private company giving away housing insultation to anyone whose home qualifies. On a slight sidetrack, it's another example of what people lose out on the moment they start nudging above the £6k savings limit. Prince John fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Apr 29, 2015 |
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Apr 29, 2015 08:59
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I got my loft insulated for £50 - that was from British Gas.
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I think i've decided to vote labour for the first time in my life.
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Apr 29, 2015 09:02
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Prince John posted:This thread does love its conspiracy theories, but the mass housing insulation drive already exists. It exists, although I'm not sure it really qualifies as a 'mass drive' since the total amount of money available across the country is relatively limited - IIRC only a few thousand households would be able to use it before the fund was drained. Still, it's knocked £1500 off the cost of replacing my boiler and fitting double glazing so I can't really complain.
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serious gaylord posted:I think i've decided to vote labour for the first time in my life. I've decided to vote Labour.
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Prince John posted:
I had two energy companies come round and do energy saving stuff. First of all I want to say Scottish Power? Phoned up and asked if they could do it. Then a few months later the landlord asked me to apply for the Energy Saving Grant people with British Gas to see if we would qualify for free heaters, which we did, and then when they put that in they put some more insulation in the loft because they said the first lot were cowboys. I assumed it was just because they got paid more if they did and it's not like I ever go in the loft to see how much insulation is in there so I just went along with it.
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Pissflaps posted:I've decided to vote Labour. I think this is the first election where we've voted for the same party
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serious gaylord posted:I think this is the first election where we've voted for the same party Who did you vote for last time? What's changed your mind?
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hookerbot 5000 posted:I had two energy companies come round and do energy saving stuff. First of all I want to say Scottish Power? Phoned up and asked if they could do it. Then a few months later the landlord asked me to apply for the Energy Saving Grant people with British Gas to see if we would qualify for free heaters, which we did, and then when they put that in they put some more insulation in the loft because they said the first lot were cowboys. I assumed it was just because they got paid more if they did and it's not like I ever go in the loft to see how much insulation is in there so I just went along with it. Energy companies with over 250,000 customers are obligated to save a certain amount of waste heat, lifetime CO2 emissions and customers' cash under a Government scheme called ECO. Mr Cameron likes to refer to this as "green crap".
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Apr 29, 2015 09:28
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Dan Didio posted:Who did you vote for last time? What's changed your mind? I've been a lib dem voter all my life. Frankly they're not the same party I voted for in the past and Labour are squeaking their way towards that role.
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serious gaylord posted:I've been a lib dem voter all my life. Frankly they're not the same party I voted for in the past and Labour are squeaking their way towards that role. Out of interest where are you? I used to work for the Lib Dems but will be voting Labour this time. I would still vote for some Lib Dem MPs or for them in a Lib/Tory battleground, but I live in a Tory/Lab marginal now.
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Zalakwe posted:Out of interest where are you? I used to work for the Lib Dems but will be voting Labour this time. I would still vote for some Lib Dem MPs or for them in a Lib/Tory battleground, but I live in a Tory/Lab marginal now. I spent a large majority of my life in Yardley in Birmingham and now moved to Poole on the south coast which is basically a Tory/Lib dem split. The Lib Dems won't win, and Labour don't have a chance in hell of winning this seat, but maybe if enough people vote for them they might campaign down here a bit better next time.
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serious gaylord posted:I spent a large majority of my life in Yardley in Birmingham and now moved to Poole on the south coast which is basically a Tory/Lib dem split. The Lib Dems won't win, and Labour don't have a chance in hell of winning this seat, but maybe if enough people vote for them they might campaign down here a bit better next time. I'm in the same position. I am really hoping that making some headway with the Labour vote means that we get a bit more attention from them next election cycle since I've been getting nothing but Conservative and UKIP leaflets through my letterbox. The most depressing thing is that about half my street are most likely going to vote for UKIP this time  (yay for living in an area dominated by elderly people scared of "those kinds").
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serious gaylord posted:I think i've decided to vote labour for the first time in my life. Dan Didio posted:Who did you vote for last time? What's changed your mind? babby's first conservative government i guess
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Apr 29, 2015 09:47
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LemonDrizzle posted:It exists, although I'm not sure it really qualifies as a 'mass drive' since the total amount of money available across the country is relatively limited - IIRC only a few thousand households would be able to use it before the fund was drained. Still, it's knocked £1500 off the cost of replacing my boiler and fitting double glazing so I can't really complain. Admittedly it's only Money Saving Expert, I don't really have the will to do a more authorititive search but they say " All deals are ongoing, with no limit on the number of free installations."
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LemonDrizzle posted:George Osborne, Hansard, 26th November 2009: that's not really fair it makes a sort of sense for a minority non-coalition government that is trying to wrangle a way to take its favoured bargaining chips off the table. in these situations, it is genuinely the case that the same composition of parties may be able to form majorities favouring a cycling series of contradictory motions (e.g., A > B > C > A in turn) and some manner of forcing an explicit repeal would stabilize bargaining
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ronya posted:that's not really fair How can he promise to deliver legislation that will take these 'chips off the table' if their agreement is required to enact the legislation in the first place?
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but it's still a nonsense stunt. any government wanting to raise one of those taxes could get the votes to repeal this gimmick law just as easily.
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The Tories will win where I am - nothing is gonna change that but I don't know how I should vote. I won't support the lib-dems, the greens actually have a presence here which they didnt before and our local labour rep is, in every interaction I've had with him, an utter dickhead. Do I vote for the dickhead because I want labour to win or do I vote green as a show of support? I don't know how FPTP works.
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Prince John posted:Admittedly it's only Money Saving Expert, I don't really have the will to do a more authorititive search but they say " All deals are ongoing, with no limit on the number of free installations." That's a bit disingenuous, when the energy companies fill their quotas these will go. Only certain types of houses are covered under the scheme as well.
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Zalakwe posted:That's a bit disingenuous, when the energy companies fill their quotas these will go. Only certain types of houses are covered under the scheme as well. I believe the house has to have been constructed before 2002 yes? That was when the building regs changed so this sort of insulation became mandatory for new builds.
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KayTee posted:The Tories will win where I am - nothing is gonna change that but I don't know how I should vote. If the Tories won your constituency by more than 20 points in 2010, vote for whichever candidate you like the best. If the Tories won by less than 20 points in 2010 and you want a Labour-led government, vote Labour.
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KayTee posted:The Tories will win where I am - nothing is gonna change that but I don't know how I should vote. If Tories will win whatever then vote with your heart and help the greens retain their deposit.
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